What is the point of VTEC on an automatic?

[PCboy]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: boyRacer

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Anyway, this thread is going nowhere in a heartbeat. There's only so much hate I can take for one day, and I think I've about reached my limit. Maybe you guys need to vent a little more, go right ahead. If you ever want to back up your words, take it to the track. Bench racing is for ricers.

I am thankful I don't share your opinion. If I found myself agreeing with a person like you I must question the way I live my life.

If I shared his opinions on this, I wouldn't just "question" my life, I'd end it.

- M4H

:beer:

 

[SeaSerpent]

Originally posted by: LiquidChill3d
Thanks NutBucket
Well apparently the 2001 models being new and all, Acura/Honda?? were unaware at that time the tranny was going to have a problem. It was replaced under warranty and they sent letters to all CLs owners letting them know of the re-call. Top notch company in my eyes. That had to cost them a fortune..They extended the warranty to 100k so the fun has just begun!!

Liquid Chill3d

To bad they didnt include 98-99 models in there recall....they have the same crappy transmissions.

I have a 99 Accord with the V6 VTEC. Now, 99% of all the cars and trucks i have ever owned had manual transmissions. This Accord has the automatic...is it fun to drive?...YES. Would I rather have it with a manual transmission?... YES.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
With an auto, can you affect when the tranny actually changes gear by how light or heavy footed you're on the gas pedal?

Is it designed to recognise that by applying full throttle the driver actually needs the pickup and thus shifts at a later point than casual driving?

Theoretically, but most people who design transmissions are morons and don't have the transmission change shift point.

Never seen an auto-transmission that didn't do this.

 

[Idex]

Buhahahaa

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
With an auto, can you affect when the tranny actually changes gear by how light or heavy footed you're on the gas pedal?

Is it designed to recognise that by applying full throttle the driver actually needs the pickup and thus shifts at a later point than casual driving?

Theoretically, but most people who design transmissions are morons and don't have the transmission change shift point.

Never seen an auto-transmission that didn't do this.

That's right every automatic transmission can do a kick down. It works on some kind of hydraulic system. The newer ones are electronically controlled and they can sense a driver's mood and change shift programs.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: ElFenix


two words: houston traffic

This response I hear all the time.

So, with an automatic you actually enjoy sitting in traffic?

 

[Fraggster]

rice=reallygayfuckingshit

 

[EXman]

What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo

Originally posted by: ElFenix
ever floor it?

To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

wtf are you flooring a new car for?

push the pedal harderrrrr......
even trucks with big V8's shift higher than 4,500 RPM... that's just weird.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Fraggster
rice=reallygayfuckingshit

Thanks for your useful contribution

:disgust:

 

[NeoPTLD]

So the engine can have a very low idle RPM(to lower idle fuel use) without stalling while being capable of a good performance throughout the normal operation range.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

Depends on which engine it is. It engages lower for B series engines (Integra GSR and Civic Si/Del Sol) and on H series its about 5200 rpm. Not sure about the V6's, K-series or F20C.

 

[KokomoGST]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

Depends on which engine it is. It engages lower for B series engines (Integra GSR and Civic Si/Del Sol) and on H series its about 5200 rpm. Not sure about the V6's, K-series or F20C.

Since the majority of Hondas/Acuras use VTEC or iVTEC for driveability and economy reasons most people normal people just see VTEC as a marketing for more power. Ricers just buy into more than normal people.

BTW, my DSM was and is more reliable than many other cars that my friends have owned or own. Like any car, the owner is a big chunk of the reliability equation. I know some people that can drive anything into the ground. DSMs aren't the end all be all of import performance but you can't deny how easy it is to make them fast for little money. Something very few other cars can claim and no other imports in that range can even come close to.

About S4s and silly chips... you can buy 3-4 DSMs for the price of a single S4 not to mention the Audi will not be able to reach the amount of max hp the 4G63 can.

 

[geno]

Well sh!t, if Jesus is driving a DSM, there won't ever be a Second Coming.

A Second Towing maybe

If I shared his opinions on this, I wouldn't just "question" my life, I'd end it.

Brutal!

:beer:'s for you!

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

Depends on which engine it is. It engages lower for B series engines (Integra GSR and Civic Si/Del Sol) and on H series its about 5200 rpm. Not sure about the V6's, K-series or F20C.

Since the majority of Hondas/Acuras use VTEC or iVTEC for driveability and economy reasons most people normal people just see VTEC as a marketing for more power. Ricers just buy into more than normal people.

Considering most, if not all, ricers drive cars with D-series engines I couldn't agree more

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

Depends on which engine it is. It engages lower for B series engines (Integra GSR and Civic Si/Del Sol) and on H series its about 5200 rpm. Not sure about the V6's, K-series or F20C.

Since the majority of Hondas/Acuras use VTEC or iVTEC for driveability and economy reasons most people normal people just see VTEC as a marketing for more power. Ricers just buy into more than normal people.

Considering most, if not all, ricers drive cars with D-series engines I couldn't agree more

 

[Fraggster]

Originally posted by: EXman
What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

its because they think having it makes them

fast

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: EXman
What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

I have a buddy with a VTEC Integra who shifts consistently below 3500 RPM. He just has no clue how to drive the car so that VTEC actually has any effect on the performance of the car. Needless to say the car doesn't accelerate better than a Civic the way he drives it. When he lets me drive it, I take that to limit and I try to keep it above 5200 RPM. I'm not a fan of Hondas, but I have to say that it is a very fun car to drive if you drive it right.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: EXman
What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

I have a buddy with a VTEC Integra who shifts consistently below 3500 RPM. He just has no clue how to drive the car so that VTEC actually has any effect on the performance of the car. Needless to say the car doesn't accelerate better than a Civic the way he drives it. When he lets me drive it, I take that to limit and I try to keep it above 5200 RPM. I'm not a fan of Hondas, but I have to say that it is a very fun car to drive if you drive it right.

LOL! I'm sure you scare the crap out of him too! My friend's friend drives (drove? not sure if he still has it) his Celica GT-S like that. That car is really piss slow when you drive it "normally".

 

[KEV1N]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
To my limited understanding, the VTEC kicks in at around 4700 RPMs, and the first gear shifts at around 4500, tried that many times.

Depends on which engine it is. It engages lower for B series engines (Integra GSR and Civic Si/Del Sol) and on H series its about 5200 rpm. Not sure about the V6's, K-series or F20C.

From what I've observed, the VTEC engages right before 5000 RPMS (~4700-4900) in J30A4 in my V6 Accord. The engine note changes. All I know about the K-series engines is there are 2 points (I-VTEC).

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: EXman
What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

I have a buddy with a VTEC Integra who shifts consistently below 3500 RPM. He just has no clue how to drive the car so that VTEC actually has any effect on the performance of the car. Needless to say the car doesn't accelerate better than a Civic the way he drives it. When he lets me drive it, I take that to limit and I try to keep it above 5200 RPM. I'm not a fan of Hondas, but I have to say that it is a very fun car to drive if you drive it right.

LOL! I'm sure you scare the crap out of him too! My friend's friend drives (drove? not sure if he still has it) his Celica GT-S like that. That car is really piss slow when you drive it "normally".

Yeah it sucks when you drive it "normally" to the point that I couldn't live it if I drove it like he does. He does scared when I drive it like it was meant to be driven, but he admires the sound that his car puts out (so do I). In fact it is awesome when you are driving it downtown and you have the windows open and you are between two buildings to reflect the sound. I think the sound would rule in a tunnel. The funny thing is that as much as he tries he can't drive his own car like it should be driven.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: EXman What's the point of having a VTEC if you do not know what it does?

I have a buddy with a VTEC Integra who shifts consistently below 3500 RPM. He just has no clue how to drive the car so that VTEC actually has any effect on the performance of the car. Needless to say the car doesn't accelerate better than a Civic the way he drives it. When he lets me drive it, I take that to limit and I try to keep it above 5200 RPM. I'm not a fan of Hondas, but I have to say that it is a very fun car to drive if you drive it right.

LOL! I'm sure you scare the crap out of him too! My friend's friend drives (drove? not sure if he still has it) his Celica GT-S like that. That car is really piss slow when you drive it "normally".

Yeah it sucks when you drive it "normally" to the point that I couldn't live it if I drove it like he does. He does scared when I drive it like it was meant to be driven, but he admires the sound that his car puts out (so do I). In fact it is awesome when you are driving it downtown and you have the windows open and you are between two buildings to reflect the sound. I think the sound would rule in a tunnel. The funny thing is that as much as he tries he can't drive his own car like it should be driven.

You gonna help your friend with a new tranny when his blows up? Like a true friend who would drive your friend's car like you do?

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofoYou gonna help your friend with a new tranny when his blows up? Like a true friend who would drive your friend's car like you do?

Blow up the tranny? I don't think they ever sold Integra GSRs with autos anyway....... Honda manuals are pretty tough.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofoYou gonna help your friend with a new tranny when his blows up? Like a true friend who would drive your friend's car like you do?

Blow up the tranny? I don't think they ever sold Integra GSRs with autos anyway....... Honda manuals are pretty tough.

Transmissions in general (save for that little hitch on the auto Accords a few years back) are pretty tough on Hondas.

- M4H

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: cr4zymofoYou gonna help your friend with a new tranny when his blows up? Like a true friend who would drive your friend's car like you do?

Blow up the tranny? I don't think they ever sold Integra GSRs with autos anyway....... Honda manuals are pretty tough.

I have a friend that went all motor on his 96 GSR, it was pretty quick, he got it down to the low 13's. His tranny lasted about a year and 1/2.