What is the NRA about?

[Meghan54]

Another lie as shown by the CBI link I posted earlier.

You obviously don't know how gun shows operate. Or the fact that only 12 U.S. states require a background check on any sales made at gun show sales, while another 6 only require that on handgun sales. Didn't know that, did you?

(The chart was last updated Jan. 2016, so may be a little out of date, but in fact likely little changed.)

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/s...irearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html

 

[Jhhnn]

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So, uhh, you're in favor of gun sales w/o background checks? Pay the price of admission to the gun show & choose from a variety of weapons with no questions asked?

Another lie as shown by the CBI link I posted earlier.

What does your link have to do with background checks at gun shows outside of CA?

Absolutely nothing. It doesn't even address the original point of contention, that CA residents can choose from a wide variety of firearms as witnessed by the offerings from Bud's Gun Shop.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yea, but you can't take someone's life with a bottle of wine or whiskey directly, from 30 yards away
The goal is to save lives and make a safer community. I know what alcohol can do, I'm an alcoholic myself, 20+ years sober, luckily. And me not drinking definitely made the community safer, at least the immediate community around my apt.
But you don't walk into a convenience store with a bottle of gin and think you're going to rob the place. Although enough gin could convince you otherwise.
Some twisted fuck is not going to walk into an office building a school a post office a factory a hospital a college campus carrying 10 bottles of whatever and wipe out 5, 10 or more innocents in 5 mins.
I think I sufficiently made my point.

Alcohol is directly linked, and even often directly creates, immediate death of innocents. Drunk driving, people doing things they normally wouldn't like getting into fights with their ol' lady, at a bar, etc. You haven't made a point, you danced around the point.

 

[Jhhnn]

Alcohol is directly linked, and even often directly creates, immediate death of innocents. Drunk driving, people doing things they normally wouldn't like getting into fights with their ol' lady, at a bar, etc. You haven't made a point, you danced around the point.

And you've been completely off-topic for some while in a whataboutism game.

If you don't want to discuss the topic you need not participate in the thread.

 

[thraashman]

The NRA is basically now the largest terrorist organization in the US.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Alcohol is directly linked, and even often directly creates, immediate death of innocents. Drunk driving, people doing things they normally wouldn't like getting into fights with their ol' lady, at a bar, etc. You haven't made a point, you danced around the point.

No, I made my point succinctly and clearly. Show me where someone has taken a bottle of booze into a workplace and murdered people with that bottle of booze or into a crowded market. I completely understand what can happen to a person when they drink alcohol, and how their behaviour can become uncontrollable, and at times dangerous, but that's not really what we're discussing.
What if anything can be done to prevent these shootings?
No to a national background check
No to a registry of handguns
No to certain mentally ill people barred from owning a gun
etc..
What compromise are the gun owners willing to make? We've compromised our safety and security, it's your turn to compromise.

 

[jackstar7]

What compromise are the gun owners willing to make? We've compromised our safety and security, it's your turn to compromise.

And outside of farmers protecting livestock, they serve little purpose outside of two things: entertainment or imagined protection.

If gun owners would own their reasons for owning guns the conversations would at least be more likely to have respect built on honesty.

 

[Fenixgoon]

No, I made my point succinctly and clearly. Show me where someone has taken a bottle of booze into a workplace and murdered people with that bottle of booze or into a crowded market. I completely understand what can happen to a person when they drink alcohol, and how their behaviour can become uncontrollable, and at times dangerous, but that's not really what we're discussing.
What if anything can be done to prevent these shootings?
No to a national background check
No to a registry of handguns
No to certain mentally ill people barred from owning a gun
etc..
What compromise are the gun owners willing to make? We've compromised our safety and security, it's your turn to compromise.

compromise? universal background checks, with NICS available to private citizens. currently, only licensed dealers (FFLs) are allowed to run background checks. people don't like the current setup because having to go through an FFL is inconvenient and adds cost. for a more expensive firearm, the FFL fee might be <10% of the cost, but for a cheap firearm, it might be 25%+. open it up to the average person and i think you'd find the majority of gun owners in favor of universal background checks.

it's the netflix/itunes problem - make it easy and readily available and people will flock to it. but for now, it's a closed system only available to a select few people (FFLs).

on the other hand, crap like this and this are not about compromise or safety. they're about political points, and ironically, make it more attractive to be a "criminal" than a law-abiding citizen. in fact, those kinds of laws turn people into criminals by decree, rather than by actually addressing people who legitimately commit crimes. owning a 10+ round magazine, which is standard for many, many firearms, should not turn me into a felon. and yet in many states in this country, i'd be one for possessing them. that is not compromise, that's stupidity.

 

[Jhhnn]

And outside of farmers protecting livestock, they serve little purpose outside of two things: entertainment or imagined protection.

If gun owners would own their reasons for owning guns the conversations would at least be more likely to have respect built on honesty.

You fail to realize that hunting is an important part of modern wildlife management.

 

[Jhhnn]

compromise? universal background checks, with NICS available to private citizens. currently, only licensed dealers (FFLs) are allowed to run background checks. people don't like the current setup because having to go through an FFL is inconvenient and adds cost. for a more expensive firearm, the FFL fee might be <10% of the cost, but for a cheap firearm, it might be 25%+. open it up to the average person and i think you'd find the majority of gun owners in favor of universal background checks.

it's the netflix/itunes problem - make it easy and readily available and people will flock to it. but for now, it's a closed system only available to a select few people (FFLs).

on the other hand, crap like this and this are not about compromise or safety. they're about political points, and ironically, make it more attractive to be a "criminal" than a law-abiding citizen. in fact, those kinds of laws turn people into criminals by decree, rather than by actually addressing people who legitimately commit crimes. owning a 10+ round magazine, which is standard for many, many firearms, should not turn me into a felon. and yet in many states in this country, i'd be one for possessing them. that is not compromise, that's stupidity.

And you crave 30 round magazines because... Rambo, or what?

 

[Fenixgoon]

And you crave 30 round magazines because... Rambo, or what?

crave? no. but a 30rd mag for rifles like the AR15 is often the standard magazine size. why ban it when it's basically a non-issue, practically speaking? and the truly extended ones, they're like having a high horsepower car - it's cool, even if impractical (most extended mags are more prone to jamming than standard ones). trying to ban so-called "high capacity" magazines - which is a purely fabricated term by the way - to in some roundabout way limit the damage in a mass shooting is picking such a small piece of the pie to address it's not even funny. it should be considered a waste of time. why? because 20,000+ suicides occur each year - literally 2 orders of magnitude greater than the number of mass shooting fatalities. and over 10x the number of homicides occur (mostly with handguns), yet few want to truly address the issues that drive these things - mental healthcare access and removing the stigma of treatment, and drugs, gangs, and systemic economic inequality.

so no, i am not in favor of banning objects when such a ban is going to have virtually no practical effect in reality on existing violent crime, and only serves to artificially create criminals out of otherwise perfectly law-abiding citizens.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

The NRA is about preserving and defending the 2nd Amendment.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/nra-endorses-chris-koster-227771
"The National Rifle Association's political arm on Tuesday endorsed Missouri Democratic gubernatorial candidate Chris Koster over his Republican rival Eric Greitens, touting the current state attorney general's "proven record in fighting to preserve the Second Amendment."

No, I made my point succinctly and clearly. Show me where someone has taken a bottle of booze into a workplace and murdered people with that bottle of booze or into a crowded market. I completely understand what can happen to a person when they drink alcohol, and how their behaviour can become uncontrollable, and at times dangerous, but that's not really what we're discussing.
What if anything can be done to prevent these shootings?
No to a national background check
No to a registry of handguns
No to certain mentally ill people barred from owning a gun
etc..
What compromise are the gun owners willing to make? We've compromised our safety and security, it's your turn to compromise.

No compromise on my Constitutional rights. Get over it cupcake.

 

[Puffnstuff]

When I consider the NRA and its purpose I also consider that its mainly populated by old white people who live in fear of every imaginary foe their party leaders conjure up using shaped metal objects of death as a security blanket.

 

[Jhhnn]

crave? no. but a 30rd mag for rifles like the AR15 is often the standard magazine size.

For military issue, no doubt. That doesn't explain why they're oh so important for anybody else.

 

[IronWing]

For military issue, no doubt. That doesn't explain why they're oh so important for anybody else.

Some people are bad shots.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

When I consider the NRA and its purpose I also consider that its mainly populated by old white people who live in fear of every imaginary foe their party leaders conjure up using shaped metal objects of death as a security blanket.

I've never thought about it that way before. Guns would have no value in a world were enemies don't exist. The NRA is essentially a bloc of guaranteed republican votes, and to keep them pushing the straight republican button, you need tight control on who they think their enemies are. The fact that a gun on every hip would only result in mass domestic terrorism doesn't matter.

 

[Jhhnn]

Some people are bad shots.

I figure it's more along the lines of freedumb fighter fantasy.

 

[thraashman]

Some people are bad shots.

And don't forget that six year olds are small targets

 

[Puffnstuff]

And don't forget that six year olds are small targets

They do market guns for kids don't they? Slap a hello kitty paint job on it along with a matching carry case and give it to your daughter as a birthday present.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The NRA is about preserving and defending the 2nd Amendment.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/nra-endorses-chris-koster-227771
"The National Rifle Association's political arm on Tuesday endorsed Missouri Democratic gubernatorial candidate Chris Koster over his Republican rival Eric Greitens, touting the current state attorney general's "proven record in fighting to preserve the Second Amendment."

No compromise on my Constitutional rights. Get over it cupcake.

oh tajjy, you're such a big brave child killer.

 

[jackstar7]

Stanford Study: http://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/

More guns = more violent crime

A shock to literally no one.

 

[IronWing]

They do market guns for kids don't they? Slap a hello kitty paint job on it along with a matching carry case and give it to your daughter as a birthday present.

As you wish.

Yes, it is real.

 

[Jhhnn]

They do market guns for kids don't they? Slap a hello kitty paint job on it along with a matching carry case and give it to your daughter as a birthday present.

They even come in pink. They're a great fashion accessory.

 

[Puffnstuff]

As you wish.

Yes, it is real.

That compact M4 size offers wonderful ergonomics for children that any parent can appreciate. For wealthier parents a $200 tax stamp will get you access to a SBR version that would work nicely with pre-K aged children. Back in reality targeting children with gun ads should be viewed like tobacco ads and banned.

 

[Bitek]

The NRA is the marketing and lobbying arm of the gun industry vis a vis redneck culture.

They don't actually give that much of a shit about the Constitution, other than using it to create markets for their products.

They don't care about non-rednecks otherwise they would cater towards urban and liberal gun owners, of which there are many.

It's rather a strange mission they have, constantly enflaming one set of customers by demonization of another.

If their primary mission is 2A, they are doing it wrong by being so partisan.