What is the most ELITE Group in the Military?

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Jittles
I remember reading in a doc's office in popular mechanics or science or something like that about this squad the Air Force has, it is a land based, atv/dirt bike using team that is in charge of setting up field landing strips.

It said one of the "favorable" things to have to get into it was be one of the above mentioned things. SEAL/green beret/delta force.

I think you are thinking of Air Combat controllers.

Anyhow, for my little two cents opinion I would think that either Green Berets or Delta would be the most elite. I think there are in actuality quite a bit of SEALS compared to the other units. Green Berets are known to be more 'cerebral' and all are usually college educated and must speak multiple languages and have a tendency to be older.

 

[BuckNaked]

As far as the US military, its actually hard to quantify, but of all the units under SOCOM, the US Army SFOD- Delta, and US Navy Specwar Development Group would be considered the most elite.... Just like there are 3 regiments of Rangers in the army, there are (I think) 8 different SEAL teams... Even numbers based on the East Coast, odd numbers on the West Coast.... I am not that familiar with the Navy and the Special Warfare units, so please excuse me if I get the details wrong.... I believe the Naval C/T team is now known as DevGru (Development Group) rather than Seal Team Six.... Both units are near the top in world for ability and I don't think you can say one is better than the other.... Both units work closely with one another, as well as with other C/T teams throughout the world...

Its more about the man than the unit.... All the units are supremely capable, and extremely selective on the personel they allow to join the units... The selection course for each is both physically and mentally demanding.... but passing the selection course is only one step to joining the units.... Its often said its harder to keep beeing a member for any length of time then passing the selection course... its extremely demanding....

The Air Force Combat Controller is also an extremely elite team, frequently made up of former members of other units under SOCOM.... I just don't think one can say which is considered the most elite.... All the members of such units have undergone a tremendous amount of selection, training, and personel sacrifice to get where they are, and my hat goes off to all of them...

Dave

Edit: As a side note, someone mentioned the German C/T team GSG-9.... While one of the best C/T units in the world and a bunch of bada$$ shooters, they are not part of the German military, but the border police....

 

[Nocturnal]

Does anyone have any idea of just how brutal it is when trying to get picked?

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Does anyone have any idea of just how brutal it is when trying to get picked?

While pretty physically demanding, the biggest aspect of all is the mental aspect of it.... to be able to push on while experiencing pain, cold, tired and hunger and the desire to quit, even the fear of putting your life on the line you will experience while completeing your mission........ the ability to be flexible, work as a team, and to go above and beyond whenever the situation warrants are just a few of the factors to consider when trying to make one of the teams.... Physical ability does count for a lot, but ultimately its the mental toughness of the person that will determine whether they will make it or not.....

Dave

Edit: As a side note, when I went through Airborne School, my class was mostly made up of Special Operations units from throughout the military, and I saw several Navy Seals who had already completed BUDs drop out of a school I viewed as a vacation, before I went on to the 2nd Ranger Battalion... whether that was typical or not, I found it extremely unusual....

 

[Ocuflox]

well GI jane was on last night and if demi moore can become a navy seal - im pretty sure i could

 

[gopunk]

i have to go with delta... they get selected from the other SF. besides, does anybody remember that combat reality show between all the special forces? green berets, seals, delta, swat, ghost recon, rangers, cia, etc. i remember half the time everybody else on one team would be dead except for this crazy asian delta guy holding his own, picking people off left and right

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: jemcam
Special Forces is harder to get into and requires much more training physically and mentally than the Rangers.

I have great respect for both since I served with them both in my 17 years in the Army, but SF was "wired tighter" than the Rangers IMHO.

I wondered if someone was going to mention the Green Beanies.

 

[kermalou]

Originally posted by: Ocuflox
well GI jane was on last night and if demi moore can become a navy seal - im pretty sure i could

i though i was the only who caught it...

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: Ocuflox
well GI jane was on last night and if demi moore can become a navy seal - im pretty sure i could

she'll own you she owned master chief

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

I believe the Naval C/T team is now known as DevGru (Development Group) rather than Seal Team Six

I believe this to be correct. It was on the history channel the other night. Team 6 is no longer the only C/T specialist, but all Seal teams are equally capable now. DevGru is the specialized group.

does anybody remember that combat reality show between all the special forces? green berets, seals, delta, swat, ghost recon, rangers, cia, etc. i remember half the time everybody else on one team would be dead except for this crazy asian delta guy holding his own, picking people off left and right

Combat Missions

The guy in particular is Ed Bugarin that you are thinking of. He's actually Hawaiin (sp) I believe. Very tough bastage. He's real famous for running marathons/decathalons/etc. before he was ever on tv.

I'll also throw a nod to the Fed's Hostage Response Team (HRT)

 

[silverpig]

JTF-2

Or Supreme Commander... there's gotta be only one of those right?

 

[Amused]

Today? The tech geeks. Without them, our armed forces are stopped dead in their tracks.

 

[her209]

The Green Berets

 

[tcsenter]

I'd say Navy Seals just guessing but I'd bet there are 100 or more Delta Force troops for every on Navy Seal. Thier training is absolutely insane.

Probably not. If the definition of "elite" is "total # of operators serving" then SEALs likely lose to Delta Force.

Worldwide there are approximately 2500 active duty SEALs between two Naval Special Warfare Groups, each Group containing four SEAL Teams, plus a number of other NSW units.

Although force details are guarded, Delta Force is modeled after the British 22nd SAS and is reported to have a similar force (approximately 250~300 operators). Delta Force would also be comparable to the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DEVGRU, which arose out of the ashes of the disbanned SEAL Team Six. Force details about DEVGRU are also guarded but believed to be composed of roughly the same number of operators as Delta Force.

The US Army Special Forces (Green Berets) are organized into five active 'regional' SF Groups and two reserve Groups. Each SF Group is composed of approximately 45 Operational Detachment Alpha (ODA) Teams, also known as A-Teams. Each A-Team consists of 12 SF operators, for an approximate total of 2700 SF operators serving actively worldwide.

Although members of the Army's 75th Ranger Regiment are commonly referred to as "special forces", in reality they are 'special forces capable', not true special forces operators vis-a-vis Green Berets or Navy SEALs. Special Forces 'Capable' means qualified to participate in joint-actions with various US Special Forces, usually in direct action/close combat support roles.

The Army Rangers are the premier light-infantry assault force and experts in particular tactical operations such as storming/securing airfields and generally kicking a lot of booty in a short amount of time with overwhelming firepower and high mobility.

 

[BuckNaked]

Tscenter gets the gold star for his post.... :beer::beer:

Just wanted to add numbers for the Rangers.... There are currently 3 battalions which I believe are comprised of between 900-1200 men each, for a total of 2700-3600 active duty Rangers at any one time... The numbers are based on my fading memories, so leave some room for error...

Dave

 

[Pastfinder]

Air Force PJs...they don't need publicity to look good, actions speak louder than words...

 

[SuperTool]

the DOD chickenhawks.

 

[bigballsbilly]

Evening all, my first post so go easy with me.

Best has to be the SAS, along with the SBS. British Regiments I know but then I'm British so I'm biased.

Used to have a friend who was in the SAS when they stormed the Iranian Embassy, was at his house watching it on the BBC news when it was all happening. We went out and drank lots after. A good night.


Bill

 

[johnjohn320]

Me.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: bigballsbilly
Evening all, my first post so go easy with me.

Best has to be the SAS, along with the SBS. British Regiments I know but then I'm British so I'm biased.

Used to have a friend who was in the SAS when they stormed the Iranian Embassy, was at his house watching it on the BBC news when it was all happening. We went out and drank lots after. A good night.


Bill

WTF DO YOU KNOW?!
Damn n00bs!!! :|:|:|











JK, welcome aboard.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: NuclearFusi0n
I vote UCLA campus security.

lol

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: amnesiac

Originally posted by: dtyn
The Coast Guard...those guys are scary elite.

I used to know a couple guys in the Coast Guard based out of Long Beach. Good Lord, they were pricks. Not only were they pricks, they were stupid assholes as well. From what I've seen of their Coast Guard cronie friends, it seems like it's a prerequisite to joining.

But they are pricks that can swim like mofo's.

Koing

 

[scauffiel]

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked

Originally posted by: NocturnalDave

Edit: As a side note, when I went through Airborne School, my class was mostly made up of Special Operations units from throughout the military, and I saw several Navy Seals who had already completed BUDs drop out of a school I viewed as a vacation, before I went on to the 2nd Ranger Battalion... whether that was typical or not, I found it extremely unusual....

Um, I call shenanagins. There's no way one of our boys dropped out of friggin Airborne training. That place was beyond being a joke. There may have been other circumstances if they left prior to graduation, but it certainly wasn't because they couldn't handle it.

Originally posted by: Pastfinder
Air Force PJs...they don't need publicity to look good, actions speak louder than words...

Uhhh, okay, whatever you say. I met a dozen or so PJ's and CCT's while in the Teams and while nice guys and all, they certainly were not cream of the "combat" crop. That wasn't their gig and they were the first to admit it.

Steve
SEAL Team Two 1992-2000

 

[Josh]

Guess it's Delta Force. Crazy, yet amazing bunch of guys.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: gopunk
i have to go with delta... they get selected from the other SF. besides, does anybody remember that combat reality show between all the special forces? green berets, seals, delta, swat, ghost recon, rangers, cia, etc. i remember half the time everybody else on one team would be dead except for this crazy asian delta guy holding his own, picking people off left and right

AZN PRIDE PWN U

KOing