What is the maximum price you will pay for next gen?

[Saylick]

IIRC the drive needs to be decently faster than 5.5 GB/sec for a reason I don't remember.

I believe the requirement is higher than 5.5 GB/s to account for some overhead since third-party NVMe drives won't have controllers as tightly tuned to the PS5 as the one that comes with the console. Not sure what the minimum bandwidth to overcome the overhead is, but Sony will release a list of validated third-party drives that work with the PS5.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...s-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

We've seen Microsoft's proprietary drives but Sony is sticking with its strategy of allowing users to buy off-the-shelf parts and fit them into the console themselves - so yes, NVMe PC drives will work in PlayStation 5. The only problem is that PC technology is significantly behind PS5. It'll take some time for the newer, PCIe 4.0-based drives with the bandwidth required to match Sony's spec to hit the market.

And then, Sony needs to validate them to ensure that they will work properly. The PS5 will have an NVMe slot, but drive compatibility will be paramount. It's not just a bandwidth issue either, though clearly that is a factor. PS5's spec delivers six priority levels to developers, while the NVMe spec has just two.

"We can hook up a drive with only two priority levels, definitely, but our custom I/O unit has to arbitrate the extra priorities - rather than the M.2 drive's flash controller - and so the M.2 drive needs a little extra speed to take care of issues arising from the different approach," says Cerny. "That commercial drive also needs to physically fit inside the bay we created in PS5 for M.2 drives. Unlike internal hard drives, there's unfortunately no standard for the height of an M.2 drive, and some M.2 drives have giant heat sinks - in fact, some of them even have their own fans."

In short, expandable storage is possible and you won't need proprietary drives from Sony to get the extra space you want. However, in the short term at least, the advice is simple: don't buy an NVMe drive without Sony validation if you plan to use it in PlayStation 5. Also remember that extreme bandwidth PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives are likely to be very expensive - in the short term, at least. This is cutting-edge technology, after all. Obviously though, the outlook should improve significantly as the next generation progresses - and prices do tend to drop significantly over time.

 

[jpiniero]

That's not competing against the top PS5 model.

Nor should it, as it is more powerful.

 

[JujuFish]

Nor should it, as it is more powerful.

So you agree that your point is irrelevant.

 

[purbeast0]

Context? The storage is disappointingly small.

LOL.

My bad completely missed that.

 

[jpiniero]

So you agree that your point is irrelevant.

It is just a prediction. The Series S exists for a reason of course, and that is to ensure they have the cheapest new console. Which they will. No need to take a loss on the Series X.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Really depends how early top notch exclusives come. If it's like the current gen where Bloodborne and Uncharted 4 were the only good exclusives for the first 3.5 years then I'll wait for one of their December sales and maybe snag a PS5 when it hits $300 or less. Bought my PS4 right a couple of months before Horizon Zero Dawn and couldn't be happier with it since I only paid $220 with Uncharted 4 and picked up a bunch of games for $20 or less, though I did pay $50 for HZD to get it at launch. Now if Demon's Souls, Horizon Forbidden West, and Ratchet & Clank Rift come out in the first two years I may have to splurge and buy at $450 to $500 (and also pick up Miles Morales).

Though I have to confess had I known Bloodborne was as good as it was I would have bought the PS4 for full price in 2015 when BB came out.

 

[FaaR]

That's not competing against the top PS5 model.

You're right.

The SeX is doing that. SeS is competing with low/er price.

 

[purbeast0]

There is no "top" PS5 model. There is only 1 model from a specs point of view.

 

[Midwayman]

There is no "top" PS5 model. There is only 1 model from a specs point of view.

So we're going to call it the bottom PS5 then!

 

[Aikouka]

The current rumor bouncing around the ol' rumor mill is that the disc-based PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X will both be priced at $500. The same set of rumors has the disc-less PlayStation 5 priced at $400, and the Xbox Series S priced at... I think $250?

I'm not terribly surprised at the pricing as $400-500 seems to be that sweet spot where you're not likely to turn off too many people such as Sony did with the PlayStation 3's $600 price tag. My guess is that Sony's disc-less system will turn out to be a failure even though it (based upon the rumors) will offer a decent discount. The problem is that the value proposition depends entirely upon how you purchase and play your games. If you're willing to resell your games, which isn't possible with the digital-only PS5, you can recoup costs by simply not spending as much on games.

In regard to the Series S, I've always found it to be an awkward proposition. It's a considerably less powerful option (yet again, based upon rumors), but if it is truly more of a budget Xbox One X (power-wise) based off cutdown hardware used in the Series X, then there may be some value to it. If it targets 1080p60 and can always play the same game as the Series X, which won't always be the case for the Xbox One, then there's a good value to be had. However, would this necessarily be the best investment for someone who already owns and Xbox One? That's a harder sell. I think the Series S would better represent a cheaper entry point for someone who wants to get into the Microsoft ecosystem... especially with something like Game Pass.

 

[jpiniero]

In regard to the Series S, I've always found it to be an awkward proposition. It's a considerably less powerful option (yet again, based upon rumors), but if it is truly more of a budget Xbox One X (power-wise) based off cutdown hardware used in the Series X, then there may be some value to it. If it targets 1080p60 and can always play the same game as the Series X, which won't always be the case for the Xbox One, then there's a good value to be had. However, would this necessarily be the best investment for someone who already owns and Xbox One?

Remember the original One/One S is only 1.4 TF, so the Series S would be a considerable upgrade there; not to mention the faster CPU and the additional features. The One X would be more problematic, but if they continue to buy games/subscribe to Gamepass, MS won't mind if they stay pat.

 

[Aikouka]

Remember the original One/One S is only 1.4 TF, so the Series S would be a considerable upgrade there; not to mention the faster CPU and the additional features. The One X would be more problematic, but if they continue to buy games/subscribe to Gamepass, MS won't mind if they stay pat.

I wasn't really sure how to look at the Xbox One S in regard to the rumored Series S. Microsoft has already discontinued the Xbox One X, which is likely why people see the Series S as the proposed successor... especially if the rumors of similar processing capabilities are true. However, we're not too sure what Microsoft will do with the Xbox One S. Honestly, if the Series S is priced at $250, I don't see much of a reason to keep the Xbox One S around. On the other hand, if the Series S is priced around $300, then a $200 Xbox One S that still gets new games for the next 1-2 years likely still has value. (Plus, during the Christmas season, the price could be temporarily reduced even further.)

I think one big aspect in regard to the Series S's worth is whether or not it shares similar disk performance as the Series X. This might be one reason why Microsoft's approach differs from Sony. Sony's approach to high disk performance is mostly hardware related, which means you incur a minimum cost on a per-unit basis to achieve that performance. On the other hand, Microsoft is using a high-performance drive similar to Sony, but their base drive speed is slower (i.e. likely cheaper hardware), and their performance boost is highly tied into software and drive I/O optimization. This has the benefit of shifting the performance cost toward R&D, which is spread out among all shipped units.

 

[quikah]

If these are going to be $500 then they should just release the price already, everyone already assumes that is the price. People have generally seemed to accept that price. The hesitance makes me believe we are looking at $600+. I would be happy to be wrong though.

 

[RPD]

$499 is probably the most I'd pay, but I'm usually late to getting the lastest gen as I need to have that MUST HAVE buy out first. So usually it's a year or 2 old at that point.

 

[jpiniero]

The hesitance makes me believe we are looking at $600+.

That is what my thinking is, that the price is going to be higher than people are expecting. Now not saying anything does give them a little bit of wiggle room in case they feel like they want/have to delay until next year. That despite that both saying they will release this year. You also have the issue about where the launch titles are and whether the virus is going to force them to miss the launch window.

I think the time between when they announce the price, when the preorders start, and when the consoles become first available is going to be as short as possible.

 

[jpiniero]

FWIW Sony just announced a signup to get the chance to preorder a PS5. Hah. US Only.

Does makes me wonder if the price announcement is coming soon and/or they are releasing the console sooner than anyone would have thought.

 

[cmdrdredd]

FWIW Sony just announced a signup to get the chance to preorder a PS5. Hah. US Only.

Does makes me wonder if the price announcement is coming soon and/or they are releasing the console sooner than anyone would have thought.

Rumor has it that Japan will get it a week earlier than the rest of the world, $400 for digital edition and $500 for Blu-Ray edition, pre-order starts September 9. Like I said rumor.

However the lottery system they are doing for pre-order is unprecedented in my memory. Don’t think that happened for a video game console before. Anyway, it leads me to believe supply will be so limited they can’t just do a general pre-order. I signed up but am not too hopeful I’ll get selected. I am on the email list from retailers so with luck I can still get one. I’m almost at the point where I feel like simply waiting until next year to buy one normally and just enjoy Cyberpunk this year, forgetting about the ps5.

 

[jpiniero]

Rumor has it that Japan will get it a week earlier than the rest of the world, $400 for digital edition and $500 for Blu-Ray edition, pre-order starts September 9. Like I said rumor.

However the lottery system they are doing for pre-order is unprecedented in my memory. Don’t think that happened for a video game console before. Anyway, it leads me to believe supply will be so limited they can’t just do a general pre-order. I signed up but am not too hopeful I’ll get selected. I am on the email list from retailers so with luck I can still get one. I’m almost at the point where I feel like simply waiting until next year to buy one normally and just enjoy Cyberpunk this year, forgetting about the ps5.

There will be plenty for everyone who wants one by the end of the year. There was talk of 10 million consoles that Sony was going to manufacture, that's more than plenty. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to do an online only soft launch at first and that causes some logistical issues.

 

[purbeast0]

That signup was to buy directly from Sony. It has nothing to do with preordering at Amazon, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.

 

[cmdrdredd]

That signup was to buy directly from Sony. It has nothing to do with preordering at Amazon, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc.

I addressed that in my post though. I said I am on the retailer’s contact list too.

 

[cmdrdredd]

There will be plenty for everyone who wants one by the end of the year. There was talk of 10 million consoles that Sony was going to manufacture, that's more than plenty. Now I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to do an online only soft launch at first and that causes some logistical issues.

We will see but I’m not sure if I can believe that number right now.

 

[WhiteNoise]

The only one I will consider is the PS5. To hell with any xbox. That said I would be willing to pay $500 for a new console. I honestly doubt I will buy a new console though, as I cannot justify the cost when I have only put a hundred hours or so on my PS4 pro and a few hundred on my PS4. I have a bunch of games that I have not even taken out of the wrapper yet. Now if the PS5 can play any of my disc based PS4 games? Then YES I will buy a PS5 and give my son ownership of one of my ps4s for his bedroom. God knows he uses my old PS4 more than anyone. That kid has burned through a projector bulb playing the PS4!

 

[Aikouka]

I figured Sony was looking to do pre-orders themselves to help restrict buyers to avoid as much scalping. From what I read, you have to sign up using your PlayStation ID, and I'm guessing they try to look to see if you're a valid Sony customer and not someone using a throwaway account to score another console.

The way I see it... Sony doesn't make any more money off a person buying it for $500 for themselves versus someone buying it for $500 to resell for $1000. Although, you could argue that someone having more money left over (i.e. not paying scalping prices) means more potential peripheral, game, and service sales. So, it's not like they have incentive to support scalpers, and they could have some inherent incentive to ensure that people pay a normal price.

I haven't signed up yet, but I might be tempted to get a PS5 so I can move my PS4 Pro into the bedroom. (Getting another PS4 Pro may only be about 60% of the cost.) I already have an Xbox One X in the living room and an Xbox One S in the bedorom, so I don't have much of a reason to shuffle Xbox consoles.

 

[purbeast0]

Ratchet and Clank is a "launch window" game.

I will be purchasing a PS5 at launch now that this has been announced.

God damn the game looks ssssooooo good from the demo they just showed.

 

[jpiniero]

Ratchet and Clank is a "launch window" game.

I will be purchasing a PS5 at launch now that this has been announced.

God damn the game looks ssssooooo good from the demo they just showed.

If it's really launch window, I have to wonder if it'll be short.