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What is the biggest threat to America?

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
We create our own hang-ups
luckily your the only one who has to live in that head.

So you disagree with my attitude? I think that you share the same attitude. To quote your sig:

"Fight war not wars!"

You have clearly chosen one viewpoint over another, and therefore (according to your ideal of open mindedness) have a closed mind.


And I have yet to see a compelling arguement to convince me of what is obvious.
Name calling sure isn't going to convince anyone though except that you all are acting like a bunch of e-thugs.


Whatever man. I've read most of your threads. I agree with the vast majority of your viewpoints but you're among hte worse of the mud-slingers here and to call anyone else close-minded is hypocrisy of epic proportions. Give it a rest.
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: cquark
For a single fixable threat, I'll say corporate personhood. Since the court reporter notes on the Santa Clara Railroad case declared corporations as persons under the 14th amendment, they've used this power to strike down most restrictions limiting their power. In particular, corporations claim to the right of freedom of speech, which equates to the right to give money to political candidates and organizations, allowing them an unprecendented level of control of government.

Corporate-dominance of government has led to the same sort of corporate subsidization that led to the American Revolution. Remember that the Boston Tea Party as a protest against the British government enforcing monopoly rights of the East India Company. Modern corporations are continually advocating for expansion of copyright and patent monopolies to suppress competition from startups. As Bill Gates said, "A future start-up with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose. That price might be high: Established companies have an interest in excluding future competitors.?

If you haven't seen the corporation, you should watch it sometime. Excellent documentary, extremely well done.

I'll have to check that out. I have read Unequal Protection, which has good information on the topic.
 
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Congress, The President, and the Supreme Court.


These three things are only as dangerous as the people who appoint them.

Interesting point.

Are they just as responsible as George Bush? What about those who are just plain stupid? Is stupidity a crime? How can you punish such a thing?
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Congress, The President, and the Supreme Court.


These three things are only as dangerous as the people who appoint them.

Interesting point.

Are they just as responsible as George Bush? What about those who are just plain stupid? Is stupidity a crime? How can you punish such a thing?


Only other countries can punish it. By invading and conquering, you know. But I doubt that's going to happen.

The people who elect George Bush are not resonsible for his actions, but they are responsible once they approve of them. They became guilty once they reelected him. One might even go so far as to say they were guilty once they didn't remove him from office during the whole Iraq fiasco... but then one might not.
 
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.

If anyone honestly thinks President Bush is the largest threat, then attack him!
Duh retards.

Go take your badass self and try to take him out. But your all show and no go.
I can't wait to see you on the news when the secret service smashes your empty skull on the concrete.

Everyone knows the President is incredibly pro-American.
Liberals hate America, and they hate business.


But they love trees.
I wish all the tree huggers would move to canada, as if Canada needs anymore of those.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.
 
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.


Go live in a liberal nation like one in Europe then, or Canada.
America is a conservative nation. We believe in the existence of a higher power, and that the primary purpose of the gov't is NOT to provide social services.
We kinda go with the constitution (which liberals also hate), that the primary concern is defense.

Its ours, you: leave or continue to lose.

Go enjoy your healthcare in canada. I'll continue to be blinging in america with my millions of dollars you insignificant ant.

If you have any money, spread it. Its the liberal way.
Start redistributing wealth by giving away yours. Why not? Dont you really believe all that liberal mumbo jumbo that amounts of a pile of sh*t?

Just remember, President Bush is a 2term President how you like that???!!!! Huh? Oh ya you got nothing on the most powerful man in the world.

GWB just owns you. I bet you cant kick his ass, go try punk.

What are you goign to do other than infest ATP&N? Nothing.
His army is bigger than yours. The military is a conservative Republican dominated and supported thing anyway.

Go get your welfare checks and toss them at Bush's AKs and watch your pathetic resistance go up in smoke. Maybe the gay community will save you?
Maybe those trees you saved, will save you!

Everyday you wake up remember its a Republican dominated congress and White House.
How great that must feel? lol

"Peace, love, tolerance", the liberal mantra. More like "appease and fall". Go join the Europeans in your pathetic, weak and anti-American stance.
Traitors is all I see.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.

If anyone honestly thinks President Bush is the largest threat, then attack him!
Duh retards.

Go take your badass self and try to take him out. But your all show and no go.
I can't wait to see you on the news when the secret service smashes your empty skull on the concrete.

Everyone knows the President is incredibly pro-American.
Liberals hate America, and they hate business.


But they love trees.
I wish all the tree huggers would move to canada, as if Canada needs anymore of those.


Yeah like you attacked Clinton... you go boy.:roll:
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.


Go live in a liberal nation like one in Europe then, or Canada.
America is a conservative nation. We believe in the existence of a higher power, and that the primary purpose of the gov't is NOT to provide social services.
We kinda go with the constitution (which liberals also hate), that the primary concern is defense.

Its ours, you: leave or continue to lose.

Go enjoy your healthcare in canada. I'll continue to be blinging in america with my millions of dollars you insignificant ant.

If you have any money, spread it. Its the liberal way.
Start redistributing wealth by giving away yours. Why not? Dont you really believe all that liberal mumbo jumbo that amounts of a pile of sh*t?

Just remember, President Bush is a 2term President how you like that???!!!! Huh? Oh ya you got nothing on the most powerful man in the world.

GWB just owns you. I bet you cant kick his ass, go try punk.

What are you goign to do other than infest ATP&N? Nothing.
His army is bigger than yours. The military is a conservative Republican dominated and supported thing anyway.

Go get your welfare checks and toss them at Bush's AKs and watch your pathetic resistance go up in smoke. Maybe the gay community will save you?
Maybe those trees you saved, will save you!

Everyday you wake up remember its a Republican dominated congress and White House.
How great that must feel? lol

"Peace, love, tolerance", the liberal mantra. More like "appease and fall". Go join the Europeans in your pathetic, weak and anti-American stance.
Traitors is all I see.

funniest post ever, sort of
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.


Go live in a liberal nation like one in Europe then, or Canada.
America is a conservative nation. We believe in the existence of a higher power, and that the primary purpose of the gov't is NOT to provide social services.
We kinda go with the constitution (which liberals also hate), that the primary concern is defense.

Its ours, you: leave or continue to lose.

Go enjoy your healthcare in canada. I'll continue to be blinging in america with my millions of dollars you insignificant ant.

If you have any money, spread it. Its the liberal way.
Start redistributing wealth by giving away yours. Why not? Dont you really believe all that liberal mumbo jumbo that amounts of a pile of sh*t?

Just remember, President Bush is a 2term President how you like that???!!!! Huh? Oh ya you got nothing on the most powerful man in the world.

GWB just owns you. I bet you cant kick his ass, go try punk.

What are you goign to do other than infest ATP&N? Nothing.
His army is bigger than yours. The military is a conservative Republican dominated and supported thing anyway.

Go get your welfare checks and toss them at Bush's AKs and watch your pathetic resistance go up in smoke. Maybe the gay community will save you?
Maybe those trees you saved, will save you!

Everyday you wake up remember its a Republican dominated congress and White House.
How great that must feel? lol

"Peace, love, tolerance", the liberal mantra. More like "appease and fall". Go join the Europeans in your pathetic, weak and anti-American stance.
Traitors is all I see.

Ok, this a parody or something? Can't be real.

 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.

If anyone honestly thinks President Bush is the largest threat, then attack him!
Duh retards.

Go take your badass self and try to take him out. But your all show and no go.
I can't wait to see you on the news when the secret service smashes your empty skull on the concrete.

Everyone knows the President is incredibly pro-American.
Liberals hate America, and they hate business.


But they love trees.
I wish all the tree huggers would move to canada, as if Canada needs anymore of those.


Yeah like you attacked Clinton... you go boy.:roll:

I dont hate Clinton. He didnt DO ANYTHING.
Hard to hate a man that didnt do anything I opposed.

His wifes healthcare was a joke. Other than that, hes a good old boy, he knows his place in the scheme of things.

Just toss him a 12pack and a dumb broad and old boy clinton is taken care of. He poses no threat to the continued domination of the USA by Republicans.

Hes the only democrat with any influence anymore anyway. The rest are all jokes Kerry/Kennedy/Polosi or however you spell that witches name.

Clinton could actually get elected, his wife is a dogmatic nazi with no personality.

I'd love to b*tch smack hillary, that dumb ass ho.

Bill woudl prob thank me for taking care of something he should have done a long time ago.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.

If anyone honestly thinks President Bush is the largest threat, then attack him!
Duh retards.

Go take your badass self and try to take him out. But your all show and no go.
I can't wait to see you on the news when the secret service smashes your empty skull on the concrete.

Everyone knows the President is incredibly pro-American.
Liberals hate America, and they hate business.


But they love trees.
I wish all the tree huggers would move to canada, as if Canada needs anymore of those.


Yeah like you attacked Clinton... you go boy.:roll:

I dont hate Clinton. He didnt DO ANYTHING.
Hard to hate a man that didnt do anything I opposed.

His wifes healthcare was a joke. Other than that, hes a good old boy, he knows his place in the scheme of things.

Just toss him a 12pack and a dumb broad and old boy clinton is taken care of. He poses no threat to the continued domination of the USA by Republicans.

Hes the only democrat with any influence anymore anyway. The rest are all jokes Kerry/Kennedy/Polosi or however you spell that witches name.

Clinton could actually get elected, his wife is a dogmatic nazi with no personality.

I'd love to b*tch smack hillary, that dumb ass ho.

Bill woudl prob thank me for taking care of something he should have done a long time ago.


Come on, who are you really?
 
who am i? lol ok
you coming on to me or what?

im not even going to spend anymroe time in P&N, i hate liberals. and this place is infested, with the mods backing you clowns up every step of the way.

enjoy your 2-term PRESIDENT Bush bashing. We arent going anywhere.

Just remember we are totally dominating you damn sophists in the real world. But you can escape reality I'm sure in ATP&N. 😀 Have fun D00DZ!
 
At an atempt to stop this thread dying from troll abuse heres my opinions from an outsiders perspective.

America has always been a shining example of the free world. A constitution garunteeing the rights of the individual if something even most "liberal" countries do not have. It's a shame that it seems to be erroding away until it becomes a useless shell of its former self. It's a greater shame that the majority of Americans do not care either way about it. I once hoped that my home country (United Kingdom) would follow in Americas lead and adopt its own constitution, hopefully based on the human rights charter and the privacy of the individual. Unfortunately this ideal seems to be further away than ever.

I respect the views of right wing conservative America, I believe that they should be able to preach and practise whatever they like (including their views on abortion and gay mariage, they dont have to have abortions and dont have to get married if they are gay). However I would expect the same in return, that they leave me alone to run my own life and live by my own values. The problem I see here is that rather than try and convince me of following their ways, the growing prevalence in government will force me into their way of life. Imagine the uproar if I tried to force them to conform to my values.

If America continues its course of trying to police the globe then the midden will hit the windmill. America is building up a whole lot of negative will against them. This is not condeming or condoning the actions of the state. If it was right or wrong to attack these countries is not my point, it is that the consequences of these attacks should be considered. Not just in terms of loses now but of resentment and future hostility.

I cannot see the current trend of politics continueing for too much longer within the US. Sooner or later there will come a time when a line is crossed and the people will reject this current way of thinking. Or maybe I'm just being optomistic. At the current rate and direction of change we are all heading for a world in which George Orwells 1984 will seem a liberal paradise.

Do not sell your freedoms lightly, they are far easier to remove than to enshrine.

(PS. Whats the deal with "terror"? I can see you can have a terrorist attack, but not a terror attack. You can wage a war on terrorism, but hardly on terror. Where did this bastardisation of the term come from?)
 
Dude, every nation has a constitution. All a constitution is a framework or collection of laws which establish a govt, magna carta, is your first const doc. But I agree, biggest problem, and has been for a long time, is politicians and peoples apathy in the shredding of it without a Constitutional amendment as required.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.


Go live in a liberal nation like one in Europe then, or Canada.
America is a conservative nation. We believe in the existence of a higher power, and that the primary purpose of the gov't is NOT to provide social services.
We kinda go with the constitution (which liberals also hate), that the primary concern is defense.

Its ours, you: leave or continue to lose.

Go enjoy your healthcare in canada. I'll continue to be blinging in america with my millions of dollars you insignificant ant.

If you have any money, spread it. Its the liberal way.
Start redistributing wealth by giving away yours. Why not? Dont you really believe all that liberal mumbo jumbo that amounts of a pile of sh*t?

Just remember, President Bush is a 2term President how you like that???!!!! Huh? Oh ya you got nothing on the most powerful man in the world.

GWB just owns you. I bet you cant kick his ass, go try punk.

What are you goign to do other than infest ATP&N? Nothing.
His army is bigger than yours. The military is a conservative Republican dominated and supported thing anyway.

Go get your welfare checks and toss them at Bush's AKs and watch your pathetic resistance go up in smoke. Maybe the gay community will save you?
Maybe those trees you saved, will save you!

Everyday you wake up remember its a Republican dominated congress and White House.
How great that must feel? lol

"Peace, love, tolerance", the liberal mantra. More like "appease and fall". Go join the Europeans in your pathetic, weak and anti-American stance.
Traitors is all I see.

HAHAHAHAH!

That one made me laugh outloud!
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: housecat
Liberalism destroys all nations

This one is their #1 target right now. They wont take us down, but they'll try.


Yeah, I was thinking this as I walked through the ruins of Berlin the other day. And the bombed out shell of Toronto was a haunting sight. I couldn't believe my eyes as I walked through the once bustling streets of Tokyo, now full of bones. As they snapped under my feet I had chilling visions of the hellfire that swept through this once tranquil metropolis, and of the lives so cruelly and brutaly wiped out by that dread plague: liberalism.

It just makes me thankful that I live in America.


Go live in a liberal nation like one in Europe then, or Canada.
America is a conservative nation. We believe in the existence of a higher power, and that the primary purpose of the gov't is NOT to provide social services.
We kinda go with the constitution (which liberals also hate), that the primary concern is defense.

Its ours, you: leave or continue to lose.

Go enjoy your healthcare in canada. I'll continue to be blinging in america with my millions of dollars you insignificant ant.

If you have any money, spread it. Its the liberal way.
Start redistributing wealth by giving away yours. Why not? Dont you really believe all that liberal mumbo jumbo that amounts of a pile of sh*t?

Just remember, President Bush is a 2term President how you like that???!!!! Huh? Oh ya you got nothing on the most powerful man in the world.

GWB just owns you. I bet you cant kick his ass, go try punk.

What are you goign to do other than infest ATP&N? Nothing.
His army is bigger than yours. The military is a conservative Republican dominated and supported thing anyway.

Go get your welfare checks and toss them at Bush's AKs and watch your pathetic resistance go up in smoke. Maybe the gay community will save you?
Maybe those trees you saved, will save you!

Everyday you wake up remember its a Republican dominated congress and White House.
How great that must feel? lol

"Peace, love, tolerance", the liberal mantra. More like "appease and fall". Go join the Europeans in your pathetic, weak and anti-American stance.
Traitors is all I see.



Is this troll even american?
How could a american be so full of sh1t?
Much less how could a american who is so pro-military think we use AK's?????
WTF?
Either this person is from elsewhere and trolling or stupid as a rock.


Heres a clue you unamerican tard we use M-16 in this country......

Do these people ever think for a minute or just parrot what they hear on the tv/radio
with 0% fact or braincells backing it up...typical.
Here is a picture to tell the diffrence idiot.....now grow a brain and please use it.

 
omg a liberal gun nut!

and looks to be a woman!
bad bad liberal feminazi! hillary would be so disappointed

(ps. I'm not a gun nut, and i dont post to plz you.. but I'm really happy it torqued you off)
 
You didn't torque me off at all I am laughing my ass off at you for hyping our military so much
and being a perfect example of why conservatives running the military are such a mess.
You do not even know what standard issue rifle we use.
Just like your clueless hero you put shame on our military
Pretty sad, I take back what I said before about drafting little republican punks like you.
We would obviously be in BIG trouble!

Just like bush you have shown to be " all empty under the hat and wouldn't know cattle from the hole in your ass."
 
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