what is the best way for America to create more jobs?

[mchammer187]

Drop the minimum wage. People will work for what they work for there doesn't need to be a minimum wage especially one that is not a living wage anyway.

Close loopholes and lower the corporate loopholes.
Stop the insanity with subsidies like corn ethanol and other losers and invest in energy that is actually going somewhere (thorium, natural gas).

Cut off unemployment benefits beyond 6 months.

Restructure welfare so it encourages people to work. No hard cutoffs for benefits etc and structure them so it is progressive. Earn more money keep some welfare and phase it out slowly.

Reform the patent system. Eliminate software patents.

Invest more in education.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do the opposite of what Obama is doing.

Tax less, spend less, regulate less, demonize less.

Yeh! Laying people off & hoarding cash creates jobs! Self regulated banking FTW!

Worship the mighty Job Creators! Offer up your livelihoods & homes upon their altar so that they may show mercy upon us all!

And chant their mantras at the top of our lungs so that all may hear! Cut! Cut! Cut!... Cut! Cut! Cut!...

Well, everything other than their cut off the top...

 

[Jaepheth]

tie tax incentives to number of employed US citizens

 

[soulcougher73]

Drop the minimum wage. People will work for what they work for there doesn't need to be a minimum wage especially one that is not a living wage anyway.

Close loopholes and lower the corporate loopholes.
Stop the insanity with subsidies like corn ethanol and other losers and invest in energy that is actually going somewhere (thorium, natural gas).

Cut off unemployment benefits beyond 6 months.

Restructure welfare so it encourages people to work. No hard cutoffs for benefits etc and structure them so it is progressive. Earn more money keep some welfare and phase it out slowly.

Reform the patent system. Eliminate software patents.

Invest more in education.

Wouldnt that just mean they would earn even less of a living wage once the corporations are unregulated in this regard?

 

[Dulanic]

Drop the minimum wage. People will work for what they work for there doesn't need to be a minimum wage especially one that is not a living wage anyway.

This will help how? Less money for more positions, overall position may be slightly lower unemployment, but it will not create more overall income for consumers to spend. If anything, it will hurt in the long run /w less money in the consumers pocket so lower consumer spending.

This again would play even more back into Chinese purchasing. People who can't afford anything better will be forced to buy more cheap ass products which continues the Made in China issue we already face.

Close loopholes and lower the corporate loopholes.
Stop the insanity with subsidies like corn ethanol and other losers and invest in energy that is actually going somewhere (thorium, natural gas).

Don't disagree with this.

Cut off unemployment benefits beyond 6 months.

I don't disagree with this as there are a lot of people who aren't looking very hard because of the checks keep coming. However, I don't believe this will create jobs as this will be a immediate dip in overall customer incoming and as such consumer spending which would hurt at first.

Overall opinon on this is... yes but it won't have the impact you are hoping for.

Restructure welfare so it encourages people to work. No hard cutoffs for benefits etc and structure them so it is progressive. Earn more money keep some welfare and phase it out slowly.

See above, same idea as unemployment. This would again have a immediate negative impact on the economy. However, when things are good I believe this needs to be addressed.

Reform the patent system. Eliminate software patents.

I don't agree there should be no software patents. However, there does need to be some changes to the whole system IMO. However, I am not a patent expect and there are a lot of unforseen issues with changing it.

Invest more in education.

That is a big one IMO. However, there needs to be some changes to the whole education system. Right now universities are mostly just extremely expensive paper factories.

Overall there needs to be far larger incentives for companies to invest in the US. Making us slave sweatshops is not the right answer either. Tarrifs needs to be involved in this also. NAFTA needs to be killed already.

 

[jackstar7]

Post of the day

-John

 

[Moonbeam]

There are many ways to create jobs. A really simple way is to pay people to do things. But a problem with that is that folk don't like paying for something at a level greater than the value to them of what gets done. In a society like ours where some folk are doing well and other not so much, and with ever growing mechanization and export of manufacturing jobs etc, relatively unskilled human capital isn't worth much. Thus the we have high unemployment because these folk have no value.

The trick then is to make them more valuable and they can do this out of hunger. We just need to put more pressure on them, remove more and more of the safety net, piss them off by sending more jobs over seas, paralyzing the left, etc. As their needs grow and their frustration and anger builds, they will finally begin to riot and, if we are lucky, begin to destroy everything. Just as soon as you begin to see that your life and welfare are in danger you'll begin to pay far more attention. Suddenly the lives of these people will begin to take on new importance and their pacification will become your primary issue, especially when they start up their trials of crimes against humanity for the winners in capitalism who didn't care. You may have a brief time where you wish you'd done something back when you could have.

 

[mchammer187]

This will help how? Less money for more positions, overall position may be slightly lower unemployment, but it will not create more overall income for consumers to spend. If anything, it will hurt in the long run /w less money in the consumers pocket so lower consumer spending.

This again would play even more back into Chinese purchasing. People who can't afford anything better will be forced to buy more cheap ass products which continues the Made in China issue we already face.



Don't disagree with this.



I don't disagree with this as there are a lot of people who aren't looking very hard because of the checks keep coming. However, I don't believe this will create jobs as this will be a immediate dip in overall customer incoming and as such consumer spending which would hurt at first.

Overall opinon on this is... yes but it won't have the impact you are hoping for.



See above, same idea as unemployment. This would again have a immediate negative impact on the economy. However, when things are good I believe this needs to be addressed.



I don't agree there should be no software patents. However, there does need to be some changes to the whole system IMO. However, I am not a patent expect and there are a lot of unforseen issues with changing it.



That is a big one IMO. However, there needs to be some changes to the whole education system. Right now universities are mostly just extremely expensive paper factories.

Overall there needs to be far larger incentives for companies to invest in the US. Making us slave sweatshops is not the right answer either. Tarrifs needs to be involved in this also. NAFTA needs to be killed already.

Abolishing the minimum wage would get more people employed and more money spent on labor. Not everyone has the skills to be worth 7.25 an hour. If you are not making that much money for your employer you are not worth hiring. Basically it would encourage hiring and I believe the net effect would be more money going toward labor even if it is less per worker.

Abolishing the minimum wage is not going to turn the US into a bunch of slave sweatshops because the vast majority of the working population makes more than minimum wage. Even illegal immigrants make more than that by picking crops. All this does is lets people get themselves into a foot in the door to teach them basic skills like showing up to work ontime, being on a set schedule. Some people can't even do that.

People are not going to suddenly start working for 1 dollar an hour especially if the number of months a lot of people collecting unemployment is any indicator.


As for welfare I am saying incentivize it so that people on welfare are deterred from earning money. Earning more money should always be a good thing so instead of people being perpetually on welfare have them start small and keep everything they earn and phase welfare out instead of oh suddenly you earn 100 dollars over the income limit now you don't get anything policy we have now.

 

[BudAshes]

send all the useless people out in a raft somewhere and replace them with hard working illegal immigrants.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

send all the useless people out in a raft somewhere and replace them with hard working illegal immigrants.

If we're going to do that along with eliminating the minimum wage, then perhaps we should start building gas chambers so that we can begin to efficiently eliminate the huge masses of impoverished people that will be blighting our country. We could euphemistically call the concentration camps "Tea Parties".

 

[Infohawk]

send all the useless people out in a raft somewhere and replace them with hard working illegal immigrants.

Sounds like you would like living in a third world country.

 

[RabidMongoose]

send all the useless people out in a raft somewhere and replace them with hard working illegal immigrants.

I don't know about replacing them with illegal immigrants, but it might be beneficial to deport or even pay Americans who have de-assimilated from society to go to another country. They can then be replaced by more intelligent immigrants.

For example, people like InfoHawk should be offered $500 to move to a white homeland that he so desires. A lot of his kind have de-assimilated from American society and have difficulties coping with it and have turned very violent. If we could replace some of these types with hard working and intelligent immigrants, then we would be better off.

 

[ProfJohn]

Cut off unemployment benefits beyond 6 months.

1 out of 10 people can't find a job even if they wanted. How does cutting off benefits solve that problem??

If we had 5% unemployment and companies were fighting for people then it would make sense, but now it doesn't.

The employment market is very much like the housing market now. If you are a buyer (employer) it is great since you can pick and choose who you want. But if you are a selling (employee) you are screwed into taking whatever ever you can find.

Plus, if you cut off unemployment then what happens when 5% of the country has no means of providing food or shelter to themselves? Are you watching what is going on in Europe?

 

[ProfJohn]

If we're going to do that along with eliminating the minimum wage, then perhaps we should start building gas chambers so that we can begin to efficiently eliminate the huge masses of impoverished people that will be blighting our country. We could euphemistically call the concentration camps "Tea Parties".

If we are going to start killing people then let's start with people at age 60.

No more SS, no more medicare and no more old people using resources instead of creating them. Great solution.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Infrastructure spending. California is building new Bay Bridge in China because the federal government is not putting up enough money to make building it in the US worthwhile.

The sections from China are already built and installed.

Ca paid for the work to be done in China because we've legislated away our ability to conduct any new heavy industry work (or expansion of said industry to fulfill our needs) in the state without drowning such businesses in a sea of federal, state and local regulations and eventual "environmental" lawsuits.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There are many ways to create jobs. A really simple way is to pay people to do things. But a problem with that is that folk don't like paying for something at a level greater than the value to them of what gets done. In a society like ours where some folk are doing well and other not so much, and with ever growing mechanization and export of manufacturing jobs etc, relatively unskilled human capital isn't worth much. Thus the we have high unemployment because these folk have no value.

The trick then is to make them more valuable and they can do this out of hunger. We just need to put more pressure on them, remove more and more of the safety net, piss them off by sending more jobs over seas, paralyzing the left, etc. As their needs grow and their frustration and anger builds, they will finally begin to riot and, if we are lucky, begin to destroy everything. Just as soon as you begin to see that your life and welfare are in danger you'll begin to pay far more attention. Suddenly the lives of these people will begin to take on new importance and their pacification will become your primary issue, especially when they start up their trials of crimes against humanity for the winners in capitalism who didn't care. You may have a brief time where you wish you'd done something back when you could have.

I fear you're right about riots if this economy doesn't turn around.

 

[ProfJohn]

BTW the solution is too adopt pro-growth policies.

In the case of our current government that would involve eliminating all of their anti-growth policies.

Reign in the EPA and keep them from pushing anti-job rules and restrictions. Tell the NLRB to saw off and stop preventing companies from opening factories to hire Americans. (Boeing can open a plant in China, but they can't open one in South Carolina... WFT?) Return oil regulations to 2008 or go even further by opening up new areas for exploration and drilling. Simplify the tax code and make it easier to understand, especially for businesses.

For years the left has cast businesses as being part of the problem and we are now seeing you reap what you sow.

 

[mchammer187]

1 out of 10 people can't find a job even if they wanted. How does cutting off benefits solve that problem??

If we had 5% unemployment and companies were fighting for people then it would make sense, but now it doesn't.

The employment market is very much like the housing market now. If you are a buyer (employer) it is great since you can pick and choose who you want. But if you are a selling (employee) you are screwed into taking whatever ever you can find.

Plus, if you cut off unemployment then what happens when 5% of the country has no means of providing food or shelter to themselves? Are you watching what is going on in Europe?

So you are in favor of a BBA which if instituted would drive up unemployment to well over 10% but aren't even in favor of reducing unemployment insurance?

 

[ProfJohn]

How does BBA drive up unemployment?

Plus a balanced budget is a long term solution to our problem. Not something we do tomorrow, but something we do down the road to prevent ourselves from being screwed again.

If you are in a house with a leaking roof you don't try to replace it during the rainy season, you muddle through with some repairs and wait until the dry season to replace the whole thing.

 

[werepossum]

The problem isn't jobs, it's wealth creation. The federal government could easily give everyone a job, bringing unemployment to zero. That would require either massively devaluing the dollar, or taking more than half what we earn in taxes. Either way our standard of living would plummet.

What we need to concentrate on is wealth production - how we maximize manufacturing, mining, farming, fishing. There are easy answers there too, but not without significant negatives. Removing environmental and safety regulations & laws and removing red tape would bring back a lot of manufacturing and mining jobs, at the expense of widespread pollution and injured workers. Removing environmental regulations and laws on fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides would make our farming more competitive, at the expense of widespread pollution and species driven to extinction, and lowered public health. Eliminating limits, seasons, sanctuaries and illegal methods would be a boon to fishing, but would soon destroy stocks, driving some species extinct and seriously unbalancing marine ecosystems. There are no easy answers.

Personally I thing we're going to have to go back to import tariffs as the main method of funding government, which will allow us to artificially make foreign products as expensive (or more so) than American-made products. We're also going to have to decouple health insurance from employment - I prefer individual health savings accounts, but it will probably be through government-rationed health care. And I'd like to see the corporate income tax abolished and replaced with a national sales tax like the FairTax, which would force foreign manufacturers to bear at least the same effective tax rate as domestic manufacturers. Unfortunately things like wealth envy will prevent most of these things from happening. Too many people find punishing the rich much more important than saving domestic manufacturing.

 

[K1052]

The sections from China are already built and installed.

Ca paid for the work to be done in China because we've legislated away our ability to conduct any new heavy industry work (0or expansion of said industry to fulfill our needs) in the state without drowning such businesses in a sea of federal, state and local regulations and eventual "environmental" lawsuits.

Not exactly....the US steel industry has given up much of it's capacity to work steel on the type of scale required for the project. That was the underlying issue as to the foreign procurement. Other large parts were bought from Japan who has retained these capabilities (also only one of two countries that can make nuclear reactor pressure vessels for power plants, IIRC).

Given our massive backlog of infrastructure projects if we actually allocated some $ to fixing and replacing what needs to be we would easily have this kind of robust native industry again.

 

[ProfJohn]

The problem isn't jobs, it's wealth creation.

But liberals think that wealth is evil...


Hey maybe that is why we aren't seeing any right now.. :hmm:

 

[werepossum]

Not exactly....the US steel industry has given up much of it's capacity to work steel on the type of scale required for the project. That was the underlying issue as to the foreign procurement. Other large parts were bought from Japan who has retained these capabilities (also only one of two countries that can make nuclear reactor pressure vessels for power plants, IIRC).

That's one of the big problems with giving up tariffs; that makes it much easier for a competing nation to take over a domestic industry.

We could not engage today in another World War because we no longer have the industry to expand. We would be in the position of World War II Japan - good to great equipment, but with no significant capability to quickly increase capacity.

 

[K1052]

That's one of the big problems with giving up tariffs; that makes it much easier for a competing nation to take over a domestic industry.

We could not engage today in another World War because we no longer have the industry to expand. We would be in the position of World War II Japan - good to great equipment, but with no significant capability to quickly increase capacity.

It doesn't help that we have basically sat on our asses for the last 40 years and left this kind of construction to other nations while our own infrastructure rusted away. If there is minimal local demand than it was only natural that this kind of industry would largely disappear.

 

[RabidMongoose]

But liberals think that wealth is evil...


Hey maybe that is why we aren't seeing any right now.. :hmm:

Really? Then why do liberal areas tend to be wealthier than more conservative areas?