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her209

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So what your saying is GM, Ford, and Chrysler would have to close their plants in Mexico? Or scale down operations and keep those cars in Mexico? If Ford closes their plant in Germany... will VW have to close its new plant in Chattanooga, TN?

Is it okay if I buy a Nissan? They are built about 45 minutes from my house.

A better idea is a hands off approach. Look at Boeing. They are having trouble competing with Airbus. Boeing tried to open a new plant in the Carolinas... but the Obama administration would have none of that. Airbus orders are outpacing Boeing orders by a large margin... yet the Feds are busting Boeing's balls.
If its being built and sold within the US, its not importing.
 

ProfJohn

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Here is your problem:
Today's question for Obama:
You’re embarking on a “job creation” bus tour next week.

Will your itinerary include a stop in Minnesota, where one company alone must cut 1,000 jobs because of Obamacare’s 2.3 percent tax on medical devices? Have you given any thought to taking a detour to Louisiana’s Gulf Coast, where an estimated 13,000 jobs were lost due to your administration’s moratorium on offshore oil drilling? Or how about Charleston, South Carolina, where the NLRB is challenging Boeing’s decision to build a plant that employs more than a thousand workers?
Our government should be helping companies create jobs, instead we are hurting them.
 

Murloc

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allow new tech companies to be created, without having the fear of getting the ass sued out of you by an army of lawyers hired by the big guys.
Who is going to invest in innovative companies if they risk losing all their money to a broken patent system?
 

Dissipate

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allow new tech companies to be created, without having the fear of getting the ass sued out of you by an army of lawyers hired by the big guys.
Who is going to invest in innovative companies if they risk losing all their money to a broken patent system?

+1 on that. The patent system is a complete joke. It never helped the little guy protect himself from the big guys, it was always about the big guys suing the little guys who were innovating.
 

classy

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Its really simple, Energy and more Energy. We can become an almost self sustained energy country, but we don't do it. Plenty of jobs, self sustaining jobs could be created. Why we don't invest more in the use CNG is beyond me. Energy is something we pay for anyway and will continue to do so.
 

ProfJohn

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Its really simple, Energy and more Energy. We can become an almost self sustained energy country, but we don't do it. Plenty of jobs, self sustaining jobs could be created. Why we don't invest more in the use CNG is beyond me. Energy is something we pay for anyway and will continue to do so.
Then why does Obama attack energy companies at every opportunity?

You forget that the biggest energy companies in the world are the oil companies and as long as they are branded 'evil' by the left you aren't going to see a rush to invest in them.

Hell... as long as the left continues to attack the notion of making money and being successful then the people who are the most likely to do so are going to play it cautiously.

That is why so many companies are sitting on piles of money. They don't want to take risks when you have an out of control anti-business administration in the White House.
 

Infohawk

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That is why so many companies are sitting on piles of money. They don't want to take risks when you have an out of control anti-business administration in the White House.

It's more likely that reason to invest because there's no consumer demand. There's no consumer demand because people are unemployed or underemployed.
 

ProfJohn

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LOL, blaming Obama for the biggest oil spill in the history of the world.
Who is blaming Obama for that?

But if you look around at the gulf today you will see that the oil is mostly gone. And yet the restrictions against drilling are not.

Instead Cuba and other countries are working on drilling in areas that we should be drilling.

In the world of the left if an old lady trips on a sidewalk then the building of sidewalks should be stopped...
 

piasabird

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Start a few more wars and join the military. That way we can reduce the population and employ as many violent people as possible to send off to war. We can make what we are good at. Guns, Tanks, armored vehicles and ammunition.

The liberals will be happy because it is their war, and they can claim it is a justified war. If the Republicans take the presidency then they can just point to all the body bags and blame the republicans. Either way it makes good press.
 
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WHAMPOM

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educate me on what is the best course. Please try not to spin this in to a politcal debate.

Tax the rich at 90%, direct investment in a business the only tax deduction. All their $resources$ taxed as income. Reduce copyrights and patents to ten and seven years, taking the bottle neck out of innovation.
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Jhhnn

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The top can only consume so much. I'm talking about actual consumption, not income and investments. Unless you believe that the entire country could consume a lavish lifestyle sustainably, I'm not sure what your point is.

And it's funny you use the word "hoard", talk about hyperbole.

Families at or below the 50th percentile of earning don't live lavish lifestyles, at all. That was only ~$33K of taxable income in 2008, the top end of the lower 50%. Families below that earned considerably less.

Earning 40% more would be a nice boost to their purchasing power.

You don't like the word "hoard"? What else would you call this-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704312104575298652567988246.html

The ongoing market downturn, due to unemployment & weak demand, just makes investors crave liquidity even more, driving the 10 year rate of return on down-graded US Treasuries to a mere 2.4%.

We're entering a debt/deflation spiral, a situation where those who have, hold, and seek to hold even more. Expect unemployment to get worse, not better. Expect classic hoarding of liquidity. Expect your cash to be more valuable next year than it is today. Expect things to get worse, ala 1930.

Business can't, won't escape this on their own, other than very slowly. In the history of modern finance capitalism, they never have.

Don't believe me? Believe the markets, and believe this-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/its-a-growth-scare/
 

Throckmorton

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Who is blaming Obama for that?

But if you look around at the gulf today you will see that the oil is mostly gone. And yet the restrictions against drilling are not.

Instead Cuba and other countries are working on drilling in areas that we should be drilling.

In the world of the left if an old lady trips on a sidewalk then the building of sidewalks should be stopped...

The oil isn't mostly gone just because you can't see much of it when yo go swimming. The spill happened because it's standard practice in the industry to put profits before safety. That's not Obama's fault, that's cowboyism's fault. We need a massive review and overhaul of policies and much better government oversight of oil drilling.
 

BoberFett

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Families at or below the 50th percentile of earning don't live lavish lifestyles, at all. That was only ~$33K of taxable income in 2008, the top end of the lower 50%. Families below that earned considerably less.

Wow, it's like talking to a brick wall. Of course they don't live lavish lifestyles. And if they made half again as much they'd live exactly the same lifestyle they do now. Because there are still billions of people on this planet all competing for the same scarce goods.

And LOL at your idea of hoarding. What are they doing with the money? Swimming in big vats of money like Scrooge McDuck? Or is it in a bank where it's being used to fund other businesses.

You're like a confused, frightened child.
 
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Throckmorton

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The Republican path to creating jobs is:
1. Lay off government workers and contractors. Their jobs are not real jobs and they are not real people so we don't need to count them as unemployed.
2. Stop helping the poor make ends meet, thereby making it necessary that they get better jobs, which will of course materialize because they need them.
3. Cut education funding, because after all if anything is a waste of resources it's education. Our children aren't the future, Chinese children are because they sew your blue jeans for 4 cents an hour.
4. Repeal healthcare reform because obviously what is keeping the benevolent corporations from "creating jobs" is being required to keep their employees alive and healthy.
4. Give tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy, so they can outsource even more production to China.
5. ......
6. Profit!
 
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Jhhnn

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Wow, it's like talking to a brick wall. Of course they don't live lavish lifestyles. And if they made half again as much they'd live exactly the same lifestyle they do now. Because there are still billions of people on this planet all competing for the same scarce goods.

And LOL at your idea of hoarding. What are they doing with the money? Swimming in big vats of money like Scrooge McDuck? Or is it in a bank where it's being used to fund other businesses.

You're like a confused, frightened child.

I'm still trying to understand what sort of school of economic thought would support your assertion, that changing the amount of money earned by a particular segment of the population, shifting it to another, would have no effect on either.

Of course we live in a world of limited resources, but we also now live in a world of excess capacity to produce, of productive resources sitting idle. Why? lack of demand for production. Why? Low wages & Unemployment.

Money in banks being used to fund other businesses? Hardly. They're sitting on cash themselves, actually charging big depositors to keep it for them-

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/08/04/bny-mellon-deposit-fee-life-in-the-liquidity-trap/

Might want to study up on debt/deflation spirals and liquidity traps...

Well, if you want to spout something other than gibberish.
 

rudder

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So what you are trying to tell me (RE: Boeing and the NLRB) is that obama didn't fill 3 of the 5 seats of the NLRB... 2 of which were appointed during a recess.

So now after having the NLRB bust Boeing's balls (even after adding 2000 jobs to Washington and the NLRB claiming Boeing was transferring work ) he says the Union and Boeing should settle their differences.... and all is right in the world.

I think you are addicted to the feeling of obama blowing smoke up your ass.
 

Zorkorist

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Wow, it's like talking to a brick wall. Of course they don't live lavish lifestyles. And if they made half again as much they'd live exactly the same lifestyle they do now. Because there are still billions of people on this planet all competing for the same scarce goods.

And LOL at your idea of hoarding. What are they doing with the money? Swimming in big vats of money like Scrooge McDuck? Or is it in a bank where it's being used to fund other businesses.

You're like a confused, frightened child.
Post of the day :)

-John
 

Siddhartha

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educate me on what is the best course. Please try not to spin this in to a politcal debate.

Everyone in the US starts buying products that are produced in the US. To make it easier to buy US produced goods get congress to pass legislation and regulations that companies have to list the percent of the products that is produced in the US.

Companies are only going to produce goods in the US if it makes money for them.
 

Budmantom

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Do the opposite of what Obama is doing.

Tax less, spend less, regulate less, demonize less.
 

her209

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Everyone in the US starts buying products that are produced in the US. To make it easier to buy US produced goods get congress to pass legislation and regulations that companies have to list the percent of the products that is produced in the US.

Companies are only going to produce goods in the US if it makes money for them.
What if the final product is assembled in the States but the parts were made and partially assembled outside the US?