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Abe Froman

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Al Gore inventing the Internet and leading geeks everywhere to a life of seclusion and internet pr0n.
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.
 

broon

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.

Oh really? The Japanese killed millions of innocent people. Rape and torture of women and children. But that pales in comparison? How about that equals Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You're right though. At least the firebombing didn't rape and torture.
 

NiKeFiDO

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: Snagle
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off the top of my head? i'd have to say Hitler for starting a war with all the jews and almost wiping them out...

He wasn't "at war" with the Jews...

I'm sure by "starting a war with" he meant "systematically relocating and killing in an attempt to exterminate"

In that case, of course Hiter was at war with the Jews ;)



As horrific as Hitler's actions were, and he is without question always the answer (in the western world) to questions like "worst human being ever," "worst crime ever," etc, Stalin's reign in Russia saw nearly 20 million people killed under his direct control.

That almost doubles Hitler's ~10 million...

Don't forget Mao had about 20 million to his credit also. The Great Leap Forward indeed....


yes, there are tons of things worse than Hitler that arent part of popular history.
Bringing europeans and killing 90% of the native american population is one thing also, although that wasnt exactly on purpose (vs the other crazy, horrible stuff we did to the natives)
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.

Oh really? The Japanese killed millions of innocent people. Rape and torture of women and children. But that pales in comparison? How about that equals Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You're right though. At least the firebombing didn't rape and torture.

As far as I know, the Japanese invasion of China/Manchuria, along with the crimes associated with the "Rape of Nanking," one of the world's most horrendous crimes against humanity, killed fewer than a million people.

Of course, the rape and murder of innocent civilians is horrific, but the numbers killed by Hitler, Mao and Stalin are exponentially larger.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.

Oh really? The Japanese killed millions of innocent people. Rape and torture of women and children. But that pales in comparison? How about that equals Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You're right though. At least the firebombing didn't rape and torture.

As far as I know, the Japanese invasion of China/Manchuria, along with the crimes associated with the "Rape of Nanking," one of the world's most horrendous crimes against humanity, killed fewer than a million people.

Of course, the rape and murder of innocent civilians is horrific, but the numbers killed by Hitler, Mao and Stalin are exponentially larger.

Your numbers are off by 10-15 million asian dead depending on who you ask.



 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: RandomFool
our ancestors leaving the trees...

There is trouble in the forest. Trouble with the trees. The maples want more sunlight and the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.

but the oaks cant help their feelings that they like the way their made.
and they wander why the maples, cant be happy in their shade
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: Vich
Hitler and nazi regime. Ez.

Really bad, but if you look at ancient history, there have been plenty of terrible things done in the past that are worse.

But for modern atrocities, it is definitely up there. I would say Stalin was worse to his people though. But they are all dead so no one to talk about it.
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.

Oh really? The Japanese killed millions of innocent people. Rape and torture of women and children. But that pales in comparison? How about that equals Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You're right though. At least the firebombing didn't rape and torture.

As far as I know, the Japanese invasion of China/Manchuria, along with the crimes associated with the "Rape of Nanking," one of the world's most horrendous crimes against humanity, killed fewer than a million people.

Of course, the rape and murder of innocent civilians is horrific, but the numbers killed by Hitler, Mao and Stalin are exponentially larger.

Your numbers are off by 10-15 million asian dead depending on who you ask.

Well the difference is that in these cases the violence is widespread. The Rape of Nanking killed no more than 300,000 Chinese, and other than that there are really no definite, single atrocious events. Widespread mistreatment, rape, killing of Chinese civilians is not one action done by one government or one person.

It's de facto killing. Stalin and Hitler's regimes, on the other hand, were governmental, industrialized and institutionalized brutality. Big difference IMO.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: broon
The white man exterminating the native Americans. The Japanese invasion/occupation of China. The US firebombing Japan. Hitler's attempts to wipe out multiple races. All of these are equally horrific.

Sorry, but the Japanese invasion of China, while horrific, and the firebombing of Japan PALE in comparison to the acts of the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

Not even the same ballpark...not even the same sport.

Oh really? The Japanese killed millions of innocent people. Rape and torture of women and children. But that pales in comparison? How about that equals Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. You're right though. At least the firebombing didn't rape and torture.

As far as I know, the Japanese invasion of China/Manchuria, along with the crimes associated with the "Rape of Nanking," one of the world's most horrendous crimes against humanity, killed fewer than a million people.

Of course, the rape and murder of innocent civilians is horrific, but the numbers killed by Hitler, Mao and Stalin are exponentially larger.

Your numbers are off by 10-15 million asian dead depending on who you ask.

Well the difference is that in these cases the violence is widespread. The Rape of Nanking killed no more than 300,000 Chinese, and other than that there are really no definite, single atrocious events. Widespread mistreatment, rape, killing of Chinese civilians is not one action done by one government or one person.

It's de facto killing. Stalin and Hitler's regimes, on the other hand, were governmental, industrialized and institutionalized brutality. Big difference IMO.

I hardly see how it should be qualified on how well the paperwork was done.

Responsibility can be traced back to key members of the Japanese government (Sadao Araki, Hideki Tojo , and the Emperor himself being mainly responsible).
 

Patt

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Dropping the bomb in Nagasaki ... do you really think they needed another one after the first was demonstrated?