What is so bad about ipod?

[torpid]

A great FM tuner + Remote with on ipod display and very jazzy interface costs $50 for the ipod and also lets you use two headphones at once.

Though the default itunes install comes w/ quicktime, you can get one without.

FLAC and OGG and folder based structuring and drag and drop are all things you can get if you use rockbox (which is an itunes firmware and requires no additional software on the pc once installed)

The headphone jack sound quality is a bit off on the ipods before the video, but I never use it anyway (always connect to an amp of some sort - my car or a pa2v2).

There are certainly players with good SQ and better features for the price, but the problem is, you are locked into those features for life. ipod accessories are breeding like rabbits and you can find all kinds of crazy things. That is why I won't switch brands any time soon. I just hate the lack of accessories. And certain other brands deprecate their units every 5 seconds so you never get any new firmware features because you don't have the latest model or they went out of business.

Not saying my ipod is great, in fact I have major problems with AAC (itunes store format) files. But the thought of switching to some other brand makes me nauseated, despite being a huge fan of the karma at the time I had one.

 

[jhayx7]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: swtethan
i love my video, and itunes is easy to operate

Itunes is enough to hate it...

that and the trendy craptasic lacluster features when compared to comparable devices.. ie the creative zen video M..

rather have a native windows device than one that requires a craptastic program like itunes..

Why is it crappy? iTunes is a great program IMO. Rips CD's easy, transfer music to the iPod easy, downloads music easy. Almost as good as an easy button

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Staples
Ok, there are a lot of people pointing out what ipod does not have such as support for more video/audio codecs, sorting options, FM tuner and 'real battery life' however I'd like to know other players that do things better than the ipod?

Sure there are some short comings of the ipod (most of which I and 95% of people don't care about) but you can't say that the ipod sucks unless there is more than one player that actually does most if not all things better than the ipod. Are there any other there?

That depends on what you're primarily using it for. As far as video is concerned, Creative's Vision (as well as the Vision M and perhaps the upcoming W) seems to have an advantage over the iPod. Better resolutions, bigger screen (normal Vision and Vision W), more natively supported formats, and no DRM. Plus the Vision comes with RCA cables so you can hook it directly to your TV right out of the box. It is a bit larger, but it's all screen. I'm not sure about battery life comparisons.

It all comes down to personal preference obviously, and I for one just don't like how the iPod works. I don't care for its click-wheel or menu interface and I have absolutely no use for iTunes.

I also don't understand why we're being asked to compare everything to the iPod. Why can't we be asking what's so great about the iPod (other than its popularity) that warrants it as being the benchmark for all other players?

Vision doens't come with the cables out of the box..at least mine didn't

 

[R Nilla]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Staples
Ok, there are a lot of people pointing out what ipod does not have such as support for more video/audio codecs, sorting options, FM tuner and 'real battery life' however I'd like to know other players that do things better than the ipod?

Sure there are some short comings of the ipod (most of which I and 95% of people don't care about) but you can't say that the ipod sucks unless there is more than one player that actually does most if not all things better than the ipod. Are there any other there?

That depends on what you're primarily using it for. As far as video is concerned, Creative's Vision (as well as the Vision M and perhaps the upcoming W) seems to have an advantage over the iPod. Better resolutions, bigger screen (normal Vision and Vision W), more natively supported formats, and no DRM. Plus the Vision comes with RCA cables so you can hook it directly to your TV right out of the box. It is a bit larger, but it's all screen. I'm not sure about battery life comparisons.

It all comes down to personal preference obviously, and I for one just don't like how the iPod works. I don't care for its click-wheel or menu interface and I have absolutely no use for iTunes.

I also don't understand why we're being asked to compare everything to the iPod. Why can't we be asking what's so great about the iPod (other than its popularity) that warrants it as being the benchmark for all other players?

Vision doens't come with the cables out of the box..at least mine didn't

Are we talking about the same vision? I'm talking about the PMP Vision, not the Vision M.

Direct quote from the Creative website:

Connect the ZEN Vision to a projector or TV with the included AV cable, and delight friends with big screen movie magic.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: jhayx7

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: swtethan
i love my video, and itunes is easy to operate

Itunes is enough to hate it...

that and the trendy craptasic lacluster features when compared to comparable devices.. ie the creative zen video M..

rather have a native windows device than one that requires a craptastic program like itunes..

Why is it crappy? iTunes is a great program IMO. Rips CD's easy, transfer music to the iPod easy, downloads music easy. Almost as good as an easy button

iTunes is the most intuitive media player I've used, and I've used them all-- including Monkeywhatever and Musikcube.

 

[Cabages]

Everyone see the new Ipods Apple announced today?

I think once those new video ones with the increased battery life and brighter screen come out, I will pick one up. They also announced price drops on them too, $250 for the new video.

The new Nano look cool too, especially the 8GB.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Staples
Ok, there are a lot of people pointing out what ipod does not have such as support for more video/audio codecs, sorting options, FM tuner and 'real battery life' however I'd like to know other players that do things better than the ipod?

Sure there are some short comings of the ipod (most of which I and 95% of people don't care about) but you can't say that the ipod sucks unless there is more than one player that actually does most if not all things better than the ipod. Are there any other there?

That depends on what you're primarily using it for. As far as video is concerned, Creative's Vision (as well as the Vision M and perhaps the upcoming W) seems to have an advantage over the iPod. Better resolutions, bigger screen (normal Vision and Vision W), more natively supported formats, and no DRM. Plus the Vision comes with RCA cables so you can hook it directly to your TV right out of the box. It is a bit larger, but it's all screen. I'm not sure about battery life comparisons.

It all comes down to personal preference obviously, and I for one just don't like how the iPod works. I don't care for its click-wheel or menu interface and I have absolutely no use for iTunes.

I also don't understand why we're being asked to compare everything to the iPod. Why can't we be asking what's so great about the iPod (other than its popularity) that warrants it as being the benchmark for all other players?

Vision doens't come with the cables out of the box..at least mine didn't

Are we talking about the same vision? I'm talking about the PMP Vision, not the Vision M.

Direct quote from the Creative website:

Connect the ZEN Vision to a projector or TV with the included AV cable, and delight friends with big screen movie magic.

cool device.

 

[bleeb]

The click wheel can be annoying at certain times.

Battery life sucks.

iTunes interface blows.

The hard drive fails.

The regular iPod is kind of big.

The earbuds hurt my ears.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Why I hate iPod

1) The battery life IS AN ISSUE for many people
2) iTunes sucks in so many ways it should have a seperate thread.
3) Overpriced.
4) The iPod poseur fanboys who refuse to acknowledge its many faults or are too stupid to understand just how bad iTunes is.

The new iPod will at least make me re-evaluate the equation. $249 for 30 gigs is great, so it's no longer overpriced. RockBox bypasses iTunes and while I'm not big on using outside firmware it's at least worth looking into. The battery is STILL an issue and the iPod fanboys are still annoying. But Apple has made enough progress with the new models that I can't dismiss them as easily as the old ones. I'm just hoping that Creative recognizes that Apple has improved things and drops the price on the Zen Vision:M to $249 to match the new iPod. Then I'll buy a Zen.

 

[arod]

For me its because everybody assumes the ipod is the best when imo its not.

I prefer wmp11 beta to itunes (and thats inclusing itunes 7).... use both for a month and then decide you will pick wmp11.
I got a toshiba gigabeat S because it also SEAMLESSLY takes all of my media center recorded content and puts it on my toshiba gigabeat S.
the UI to PMP (microsofts ui) is superior to the ipod (go search google video for a video of the ui and compare it to the ipod)
Batterylife while not great is much better for video playback on the gigabeat S

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Why I hate iPod

1) The battery life IS AN ISSUE for many people
2) iTunes sucks in so many ways it should have a seperate thread.
3) Overpriced.
4) The iPod poseur fanboys who refuse to acknowledge its many faults or are too stupid to understand just how bad iTunes is.

I think #4 is incorrect. There are people such as myself who have used a lot of other players and still prefer the ipod and itunes. One can acknolwedge the faults and still love the ipod. That's because there are a lot of benefits to owning one that other players do not have. A lot of the negatives in this thread are things I really don't care that much about. I don't run my ipod for more than a few hours straight. I don't care about FM tuning because local radio is rubbish in most markets except the largest ones. I don't need to drag and drop my mp3 files. And iTunes is a heck of a lot better than the garbage that came with the nomad I had for a week or the karma that I had which eventually died.

I like the plethora of integration options, the interface which no other device I've used even approaches, and the longevity of support for the device. I had an early iriver mp3 player and it was unsupported after a few months. Same thing with the karma. Don't even get me started on the nomad (pre zen touch).

 

[Staples]

Well guys, it seems a lot of people hate iTunes. I have used it since the day it came out because I have a ton of music from the iTunes store.

There is only one complaint I have about it and it is that is frequently uses 100% of my CPU. Just what the hell is it doing? I have no idea. QT is also another hog but I use WMP to play QT files so I am affected 0% by iTunes installing QT on my computer.

Other then that, it is an average peice of software. I use it whenever I have to and I use WMP for everything else.

 

[ViviTheMage]

cant remove songs , unless you have third party software.

I like my ipod, its a spinnuh

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Staples
Sure the battery might not be replaceable but how many people will this really affect? I bet mine will break before I have to worry about replacing the battery. I think it does suck that the battery is not replaceable but the fear is way overblown.

Other reasons I have heard are that it does not support FLAC or OGG. In my 11 years on the internet, I have come across 0 flac files and 0 ogg files. Do I give a rat's ass if the ipod does not support these formats?

I just found that really funny, that you say that like it's a good thing.
And some people like to rip their CDs to FLAC, as it's a lossless format, so they get better quality sound. You may not care about that, but some people do, and to them, it's a reason the iPod sucks.

It's a reason not to buy an iPod. Doesn't make it suck.

 

[yosuke188]

As soon as they add FLAC support, I'm buying an iPod.

I know you can Rockbox it, but then the already terrible battery life goes down the drain.

Quite frankly, I don't know if iPod and iTunes will ever support FLAC, but I can hope.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: R Nilla

Originally posted by: Staples
Ok, there are a lot of people pointing out what ipod does not have such as support for more video/audio codecs, sorting options, FM tuner and 'real battery life' however I'd like to know other players that do things better than the ipod?

Sure there are some short comings of the ipod (most of which I and 95% of people don't care about) but you can't say that the ipod sucks unless there is more than one player that actually does most if not all things better than the ipod. Are there any other there?

That depends on what you're primarily using it for. As far as video is concerned, Creative's Vision (as well as the Vision M and perhaps the upcoming W) seems to have an advantage over the iPod. Better resolutions, bigger screen (normal Vision and Vision W), more natively supported formats, and no DRM. Plus the Vision comes with RCA cables so you can hook it directly to your TV right out of the box. It is a bit larger, but it's all screen. I'm not sure about battery life comparisons.

It all comes down to personal preference obviously, and I for one just don't like how the iPod works. I don't care for its click-wheel or menu interface and I have absolutely no use for iTunes.

I also don't understand why we're being asked to compare everything to the iPod. Why can't we be asking what's so great about the iPod (other than its popularity) that warrants it as being the benchmark for all other players?

Vision doens't come with the cables out of the box..at least mine didn't

Are we talking about the same vision? I'm talking about the PMP Vision, not the Vision M.

Direct quote from the Creative website:

Connect the ZEN Vision to a projector or TV with the included AV cable, and delight friends with big screen movie magic.

Oh...Woops...I was talking Zen Vision: M...That one is sweet...Damn...

 

[rikadik]

People love to bash iPods because whenever something "cool" catches on, there becomes a group of people who want something "counter-cool". There's nothing wrong with not wanting the most common MP3 player for the sake of originality, and there are many good reasons to believe other MP3 players are superior to the iPod. But the group of people who just spout all this sh!t about how the iPod SUCKS when it clearly is a quality piece of kit are the real fanboys.

Edit: spelling.

 

[BatmanNate]

I don't hate the Ipod, it's preferable to plenty of MP3 players. Here is what it lacks compared to some of the better players, imho:

- USB Host support. I just want to plug it in and copy files, I don't want to use Apple's bloated software to organize, copy, record, or play my music. I don't need the thing to compile an ID3 database, I want to be able to browse through the file system as well. Using it as a portable harddrive just sweetens the deal.

- File format support. I have some audio books and recordings in WMA, OGG, and FLAC that I would like to play.

- Radio. This one is pretty simple, but last I checked Apple's players still lacked it.

- Ability to record from either mic, analog, or digital input and encode at selected bitrate on the fly. Great for concerts or ripping vinyl.

- Battery life. It isn't the worse out there, but again it isn't the greatest. Also, the battery is not user replacable.


edit: For reference, I have owned Cowon and iRiver players because they've fit what I look for in an MP3 player.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Ipod's themselves are great, but the Itunes-Ipod lock in kills it. I cant stand Itunes.