What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850?

[Artista]

What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850 or 6950?

Any last generation cards a nice bank for the buck? (570, 448 cores, etc)

I love catching last generation cards at a bargain.

 

[p_monks33]

560Ti 448 is the closest you will see in price to performance. Its not really a great deal though. I think that the 7850 is in a class of its own by having 2gb of Vram and how much overclocking headroom people have had.

 

[Protomize]

Yep, here's an example of what an overclocked HD 7850 is capable of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgJVMj01rrU

 

[Ferzerp]

What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850 or 6950?

Any last generation cards a nice bank for the buck? (570, 448 cores, etc)

I love catching last generation cards at a bargain.

They don't have one yet unless you go last gen.

For the 600 series, they've only released 670 and 680 (well, and 690).

The mid and low ends, so far, they've left to AMD.

 

[lifeblood]

They don't have one yet unless you go last gen.

Which has been pretty disapointing of NV. I held off buying a new card as long as possible but finally bought the 7850. I like the 7850, I was just hoping for a little competition.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

For stock performance where VRAM isn't a constraint: 560 TI 448

For stock performance where VRAM starts becoming a constraint (such as 1440p with AA with Skyrim mods): 570/580 based on the situation

For overclocked performance: 580 or 660TI stock, faster than 570/560 TI 448 oc.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

7850 is really strong in tess, that said it's not nearly as strong in other areas as it is in tess (keep in mind we're comparing a 1st gen Nvidia tess engine vs a 3rd generation AMD tess engine). From reviews it's slower than the 560Ti 448 and about par with the 560Ti.

Overclocking wise the 448s will enjoy about 900 to 950 core on avg, giving a pretty good advantage to the 7850 in that area to make up for lost ground. 732MHz stock gives about a 20 to 30% overclock ceiling for the 448. On the 7850 you'd be looking at a 30 to 45 percent increase in core clocks, both are pretty comparable I'd imagine when it's all said and done, the power difference probably won't be too staggering since both will be capable of hitting those clocks on less than ideal stock cooling. Neither will be running cool or quite at that point.

In the used market you could probably snag a 570 for $180 to $200, you'd be hard pressed to find a 448 thou.

Keep in mind the 448 is basically a GTX 470, which means it has 1.28GB of vram, as does the GTX 570. Clock for clock the 570 is about 5% faster than the 448. The 480/580 both have 1.5GB stock, though there are 2.5GB 570s and 3GB 580s.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

At stock
7850>6950>560 TI

In intial reviews it was 2-3% slower than 560 ti 448 in some games, but with newer drivers it has to be at least 5-10% faster even in relatively less lead situations where VRAM isn't a constraint and both are stock.

 

[Arkadrel]

What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850?

They dont have one yet... Its not like you can buy a 660ti so far right?

Any last generation cards a nice bank for the buck?

You can get a 7850 for like 200$ that can OC to beat a stock 580 consistantly.

By that way of thinking, no a 570 @250$ isnt great bang-4-buck.

I love catching last generation cards at a bargain

Only thing better is curreny gen at bargain
Honestly a 7850 if you factore in overclocking is really good bang-4-buck.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

6950 typically don't clock well or scale well with clocks.

I'd say overall, at stock:

570>480>448>7850=6950>560Ti


Nvidia 5xx series is still the only option low end, you'll need to wait for the 660Ti before those prices really get slashed, the 570 retail is overpriced, and generally at $180 used it's still overpriced. That said the 7850 is overpriced as well but lacks direct competition and smart business sense from AMD to price it practically.

 

[Plimogz]

How is the 7850, on 28nm (lower power, noise) and with its 2GB of VRAM, overpriced? It's performance competitive with all the similarly priced alternatives, and has the best overclocking headroom by far.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

How is the 7850, on 28nm (lower power, noise) and with its 2GB of VRAM, overpriced? It's performance competitive with all the similarly priced alternatives, and has the best overclocking headroom by far.

Because all the other 28nm chips are over-priced with a price structure based on a mid-ranged chip from Nvidia holding the $500 price point.

7850 is considerably louder than the 560Ti, comparable more so to the 570. Why are we talking about power consumption when people are advocating it based on 40% or greater overclocks? Perf/Watt drops like a stone once you start running a card to the bleeding edge.

I already said the other cards were over-priced, including the Nvidia ones. That is of course my opinion weather you agree with it or not doesn't make a bit of difference.

 

[Ferzerp]

Kind of expected to see you suggest a 470

 

[Vesku]

Wait a second, Balla, my brain is about to explode trying to process the following:

7970s somewhat higher wattage draw is a huuuuge negative

AMD is topping the charts, in noise and power consumption.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33694356&highlight=#post33694356

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I'd say overall, at stock:

570>480>448>7850=6950>560Ti

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[Silverforce11]

Because all the other 28nm chips are over-priced with a price structure based on a mid-ranged chip from Nvidia holding the $500 price point.

7850 is considerably louder than the 560Ti, comparable more so to the 570. Why are we talking about power consumption when people are advocating it based on 40% or greater overclocks? Perf/Watt drops like a stone once you start running a card to the bleeding edge.

I already said the other cards were over-priced, including the Nvidia ones. That is of course my opinion weather you agree with it or not doesn't make a bit of difference.

The 7850 is not louder, because there IS NO "THE" 7850, most are all custom AIB boards, many have excellent "stock" coolers.

As to power consumption, the beauty of the 78xx cards are even if you OC them like nuts, power draw increase by ~30W. There's plenty of reviews which showed this already. From a low default of ~110-120W to ~150W. You can't even compare them vs old NV 40nm tech where its default 225-250W to OC who knows how much, well beyond 300W.

Hard to find a custom Asus, MSI, Sapphire etc 7850 that can't reach 1.1ghz - 1.2ghz. At these speeds its equivalent to a gtx580 + 10% OC, for half the power use.

There's no NV equivalent unless you want to get into used card territory, where a few 40nm cards for dirt cheap compensate for their huge power use.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Kind of expected to see you suggest a 470

Nah never...

Anand is only impressed by 50% on reference air overclocks if it's an AMD card.

At 1200+ the 7850 is drawing as much power as the 570, at what point do we stop factoring in power consumption vs performance vs cost?

 

[Arkadrel]

Why are we talking about power consumption when people are advocating it based on 40% or greater overclocks? Perf/Watt drops like a stone once you start running a card to the bleeding edge.

Bullcrap

A single stock HD 7850 uses ~ 90W in games (Crysis 2) and PowerColor overclocked model @ 1000Mhz core uses 105W

860mhz -> 1000mhz = 140mhz increase = 15watts more used.

I cant remember where, but I swore I read that @1200mhz,
it uses like 35watts more than stock or something, while gameing.

This would mean that even overclocked a 7850 would use LESS power than a 570, or 480 ect.
Itd probably use abit more than a 460 1gb

You have to remember these cards are 28nm tech, vs older 40nm tech cards.
Power use is ALOT better with the jump from 40nm->28nm.

7850 is considerably louder than the 560Ti

Depends on model you buy:

^ 30 dbA under load, for a 1000mhz version of the 7850.

 

[Silverforce11]

@Balla: Except yours aren't reference air. Please don't be forgetting what your OC represent, top 1% or less of what gtx470s are capable of. Passing it as the norm is misleading.

The difference here is 7850s are proven overclockers with huge average ~40% OC on its default air cooler.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

@Balla: Except yours aren't reference air. Please don't be forgetting what your OC represent, top 1% or less of what gtx470s are capable of. Passing it as the norm is misleading.

The difference here is 7850s are proven overclockers with huge average ~40% OC on its default air cooler.

My card is on reference air, it's taped together with electrical tape as I bought it as part of a broken down system for $40.

Sorry did you miss 2010 onward when AMD wasn't overclocking well?

 

[Silverforce11]

My card is on reference air, it's taped together with electrical tape as I bought it as part of a broken down system for $40.

Sorry did you miss 2010 onward when AMD wasn't overclocking well?

Please show me a thread with massive forum user input which shows that the gtx470 reaching 900 mhz is the norm. You can't because it doesn't exist. Your examples of an OC 470 reaching gtx580 speed in AvP is still weak, because a OC 7850 will beat a 580 OVERALL.

Bullshit on 1.2ghz 7850 using as much power as your example. My 7850 required 1 x 6pin PCIE power plug, that's it and it ran 1.25ghz. That's all i have to say.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

AvP is a weak bench for the 470, I gave you that one for free. In most other tests it will exceed the 580.

Sure it will

As what example? PCIe specs mean almost nothing, even still it's spec'ed to draw 150w, but it's not like you can't draw more from your board and a 6 pin unless you really think my 470 is only able to draw 225w total overclocked.

Let me know when you know.

 

[Silverforce11]

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/26/sapphire_hd_7870_oc_edition_video_card_review/9

It's big brother @ 1.27ghz, 30W over stock, from the wall.

How about: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd-7870-7850-7770_8.html#sect1

Power consumption stock/oc vs gtx560ti-448.

You going to claim that your OC 470 uses less power than a stock 570? (Which uses much more power than OC 7870, not to mention 7850)

 

[BallaTheFeared]

152w more from the wall, which makes more sense to you?

 

[Silverforce11]

Try harder, you aren't going to convince many ppl here that 470s are the way its meant to be played.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Try harder, you aren't going to convince many ppl here that 470s are the way its meant to be played.

Try harder? You're the one in disbelief, not me.

I find it funny how quickly the points of arguements switch around around here with you guys.

Which is it, power, overclocking, or price? Or does it change based on which product we're talking about at your convenience, ergo 7970 vs 670/680?