What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850?

[BallaTheFeared]

Lol, you're so mad. Pretty sure it'll be slightly more than an infraction

lol

I'm pretty sure I won't really care, these are not the posts of a conformist.

 

[chimaxi83]

 

[Ferzerp]

I feel bad. I said the evil number and set this off I think

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yes, it should add in there, at least I didn't pay $500 for a mid-range gpu that gets beat by a $420 7970 that can actually overclock. :thumbsup:

 

[AnandThenMan]

Anand is filled with "almost" enthusiasts...

However many do doesn't really matter, this isn't a popularity contest it's a tech forum. Where talking about tech that isn't popular gets you called a troll

You get called a troll because you act like one. Do you understand the concept of thread crapping? You spam dozens of threads about our GTX470's every chance you get, like this one. The thread title asks what Nvidia has to counter the 7850, news flash the 470 is not in the equation, it's generations old.

This place swings like a monkey in a tree with it comes to talking points...

You repeat (sometimes word for word) info about your 470's every chance you get.

I laugh every time I come here.

Why do you come here if it's just a big joke to you?

I'm not getting defensive, I'm getting lulz.

I see....

Far more reputable tech sites have already placed the 470 in the area of the 8800 GTX,

No they have not. And stop putting this site down, cripes.

You do know I will get an infraction for this thread, and I will still not care right? Anand is a heaven for AMD fanbois, that's why it's so dead around here. This is probably one of the slowest moving tech forums on the web, nobody wants to post here with the raving retard fanboy army AMD has assembled that is fully backed by stupid moderators.

So much for coming here for the lulz, unless you think your post is somehow funny.

Good deal though, pity about AMD's drivers though, 6xxx will be legacy soon so I couldn't recommend them to someone else since CF is hard enough on AMD's current cards.

I was wondering when you were going to bring up drivers, thought I would leave this thread disappointed.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You get called a troll because you act like one. Do you understand the concept of thread crapping? You spam dozens of threads about our GTX470's every chance you get, like this one. The thread title asks what Nvidia has to counter the 7850, news flash the 470 is not in the equation, it's generations old.

You repeat (sometimes word for word) info about your 470's every chance you get.

Why do you come here if it's just a big joke to you?

I see....

No they have not. And stop putting this site down, cripes.

So much for coming here for the lulz, unless you think your post is somehow funny.

I was wondering when you were going to bring up drivers, thought I would leave this thread disappointed.

It says equivalent, not counter-part derp.

What is NVIDIA equivalent to Radeon 7850 or 6950?

Any last generation cards a nice bank for the buck? (570, 448 cores, etc)

I love catching last generation cards at a bargain.

The people thread crapping are the butthurt AMD fans who can't accept that the 470 is comparable, and a bargain. I didn't OT the thread, the QQ fest of AMD drones did.

Repetition helps those with a lower ability to learn pick up on things.

Entertainment value at this point.

See above, why do you come here? For the argument threads that occur 9 times out of 10 newly created threads? With the same twenty players in each and everyone of them?

Yes they do. I'm putting this site in perspective, I never put it where it is, which is the dumps as far as tech goes. Great for high school drama though.

Why would I post something funny for you if I'm here for lulz for me? Let me know when sense you make.

Anand is one of the few places AMD doesn't have driver problems, let alone legacy CF driver issues for a now discontinued uarch.

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMDs-New-FirePro-W8000-W9000-Challenge-Nvidias-Quadro/?page=8

 

[Vesku]

Nebulous driver problems really shouldn't be a strong decision maker on GPU purchases. Nvidia killed cards with a driver update but I'm not going to tell people to not buy Nvidia because of one giant mistake they made.

On topic, the 660 would be the 7850 equivalent when it finally appears. Until then the closest Nvidia equivalent is last gen 40nm, which at least on Newegg makes them (GTX 460 Ti 448) a bit overpriced if bought new retail. Assuming the decision is brand agnostic.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Nvidia killed cards by shipping the wrong driver on the driver disk, they promptly fixed it by replacing the dead cards which was limited to pretty much reviewers only.

At least get your facts straight before you attempt to take the high road.

 

[Vesku]

Wrong, the drivers were available on the website for hours. I was on EVGA forums trying to get a solution to my GTS 550 clock issues with 2 monitors attached when the whole fan death driver news hit.

Perhaps it is the intolerance to misinformation that rubs you the wrong way in regards to this forum.

Citation for you in case you are interested in not spreading misinformation:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-196-75-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551

And quoting:

Nvidia killed cards by shipping the wrong driver on the driver disk, they promptly fixed it by replacing the dead cards which was limited to pretty much reviewers only.

At least get your facts straight before you attempt to take the high road.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Website, not disk, website, not disk, website, not disk.

 

[Vesku]

I'm confused now, was there another incident when they killed cards through a different driver than "196.75 drivers can cause severe cooling problems, even possibly resulting in the death of the hardware."? I specifically referred to the driver update incident, not reviewer cards, which involves these 196.75 drivers. I'm very confused why you would respond with a completely different incident.

The drivers I'm referring to were made available for download:

"NVIDIA 196.75 drivers were released on March 2nd, and have now been removed from the download site."

Quotes are from the article I linked just a minute ago:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-196-75-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yes, the 590. I thought for sure that was what you were talking about.

Nvidia kills card: Replaces

AMD kills CF support: Enjoys your money

It's not like Nvidia doesn't have driver problems, but let's put my comment in perspective in a dumbed down fashion that perhaps someone with minor retardation might understand.



I say: 470s are pretty good, I got mine really cheap.

Another user says they got a 6990 for real cheap.

I say, yes but AMD's driver support hasn't been the greatest, not to mention VLIW4 is a dead uarch. So given their poor history of CF support and slow legacy update decision I'd be hesitant to recommend a older CF card, based on a now dead uarch, from a company with poor CF support history with even their latest cards.

Then you came in with stereotypical fanboy avenger mode enabled.

 

[Vesku]

Did Nvidia personally replace cards killed by 196.75? I find no reference to such a gesture. Last I heard people were left to the mercy of their brand's RMA department.

Citation please Balla.

Edit: They killed cards! And I still wouldn't tell people to avoid them due to the risk of shoddy drivers. By all means people should compare SLI and CF if that's what they plan to do. But even in the case of wanting to SLI, I am not seeing the great deals on the 560 ti 448 new retail in box that you have mentioned.

Then you came in with stereotypical fanboy avenger mode enabled.

So it's avenger mode to point out that nebulous driver issues don't pass the smell test?

I'm still waiting on citation for Nvidia replacing cards killed by their 196.75 driver.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Nvidia who is that? I thought ASUS and EVGA made these chips!

Did Obama personally give you a stimulus, why he be blame?

I mentioned some sort of retail in box deal for the 448? Citation please.

 

[Vesku]

Nvidia kills card: Replaces

You seem to know who Nvidia is or did you mean various brands may or may not have replaced cards killed by 196.75?

6950 typically don't clock well or scale well with clocks.

I'd say overall, at stock:

570>480>448>7850=6950>560Ti


Nvidia 5xx series is still the only option low end, you'll need to wait for the 660Ti before those prices really get slashed, the 570 retail is overpriced, and generally at $180 used it's still overpriced. That said the 7850 is overpriced as well but lacks direct competition and smart business sense from AMD to price it practically.

This gave me the impression that their must be some great deals on the 448. But then I see that your argument is that everything, old and new is overpriced. Which is definitely an opinion one can hold, but it has no relevance without a consistent way to acquire goods for an amount of currency one does not consider overpriced. There basically is no reasonable Nvidia alternative to 7850 in the retail channel unless someone is committed to buying a brand and is thus willing to pay a price premium. Otherwise, wait for the 660.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You're just another idiot AMD tool in the shed known as Anand.

So let me see if I understand your stupidity correctly... You believe AIB's replaced the cards, maybe. Maybe. You believe a company that might have killed a few cards with a driver did not take responsibility, yet are unable to produce anything such as web articles that would support such a tin foil moronic thought process? And if you believe as you say that AIB's had to cover this, what proof do you have that AIB's had to pay for Nvidia's mistake, surely there would be articles on the web about such a tremendous ethical failure on Nvidia's part, right?

Oh me mad.

Haha!

 

[RussianSensation]

It's funny the insanely power hungry 7970 is touted by the AMD bois because it's faster than Nvidia's 28nm mid-range card. Is that praise worthy?

I still think that. However, I can't go out and buy a GTX780 GK110. It doesn't look like GK110 will launch on the desktop this year. HD7970 1050mhz is roughly 58% faster than a 6970. It's not 2x faster in games but it's decent.

BTW, 7970 is not insanely power hungry. It is more power hungry vs. the 680, but it's way more efficient than the GTX480 is. After market HD7970 Ghz edition consumes less power than a GTX470 on average and peaks at similar levels, despite being 2x faster overall than a 607mhz GTX470.

Seems trifle to me, just like this 7850 rave this forum of bois is in. It's nothing new as I've just shown in this thread, Nvidia has had similar cards that did just as well. Overclocked further, to a higher degree of percentage, offered performance we're seeing now, at a lower price point over a year and half ago.

So did AMD with the 6950. You can't really compare what used cards go for vs. new cards. Then there are cases where are cards on a fire-sale such as GTX480 dipped to $175-200 on Newegg when most 580s were going for $430+. However, among brand new cards an overclocked 7850 is probably better than 560Ti 448/570.

Producing fps comparable to overclocked 7850s while being considerably cheaper. You know the bois when they start hating on used cards while ignoring the fact that it's performance places it above many new cards, cards which can cost two to three times as much.

The best value is usually not found in brand new cards. No one is hating the 470, but your whole point of view compares used old cards vs. new cards. It's not any different than comparing buying a used 2 year old car vs. a newer model of that car off the lot.

Is the 7970 a better card, because it's cheaper, faster, overclocks better, while using way more power, or isn't it? You can't have it both ways like the other bois. The metric of what makes a card good or bad can't simply change based on which price bracket we're looking at.

Compared to the 470 or the 680? Bang for the buck 6870 or GTX470 offer more value per $ than a 7970 does. HD7970 competes against the 670 though. We get it you think this entire generation is overpriced. Well wait 5 years and then grab a GTX780 for $100 and you can tell a GTX880 owner his $500 card sucks because it only delivers 70% more performance for 400% the price increase. So your point is buying used cards is better value than buying new technology? I think most people agree here.

Anand is a heaven for AMD fanbois, that's why it's so dead around here. This is probably one of the slowest moving tech forums on the web, nobody wants to post here with the raving retard fanboy army AMD has assembled that is fully backed by stupid moderators.

This is the first since 2006 that AMD won this round both in price/performance and performance for single-GPUs.

- Faster performance in resolutions above 1080P on a single monitor
- Faster performance in 4AA/8AA/4xSSAA modes
- Faster performance with 3 monitors
- More VRAM for mods --> faster performance in modded games such as SKYRIM
- Higher overclocking headroom / no volt-mod locks (unless you want to drop $600 on GTX680 Lightning)
- Higher price/performance in every category
- Unmatched GPGPU performance
- No Kepler response to HD7750/7770/7850/7870 on the desktop for 6+ months

Why can't certain posters for once admit that NV lost this round for the first time since 2006? AMD drivers, BF3, power consumption, PhysX, 3D vision....

What if someone got an HD6990 for $40? Does that mean GTX690 is terrible?

 

[BlockheadBrown]

Late to the "party". Some reference links though that take OC out of the equation:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+470
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+7850

Hope this helps.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Why can't the NV side for once admit they lost this round for the first time since 2006?

I'm not taking any sides, I'm saying I like the 7970 more than the 680 but neither would be cards I'd buy at their current price points.

I'm saying what I've said about the 7970 in other thread is exactly the same stupidity we as Nvidia owners had to listen to for the last two years, the exact same thing.

 

[Vesku]

You're the one who claims Nvidia replaced the cards, I'm asking for citations. Otherwise it was up to each individual with a card negatively affected by 196.75 to contact their brands RMA department.

I've provided citations to the 196.75 being made available for download and damaging and outright killing cards. You have provided no citations for your assertion that Nvidia replaced those cards. Thankfully, it is not my responsibility to prove your statements nor to keep you consistent in your postings.

I will politely ask you to retract your declaration that I'm an "idiot AMD tool" as it is not only uncivil but completely ignores that I have publicly stated on the forums that I would happily buy some 680s (edit: or 670s) if they mined bitcoins at reasonable MH/W and MH/$ ratios. Keep in mind that it is just my personal use to bitcoin mine no different then people who Fold or run @Home.

You're just another idiot AMD tool in the shed known as Anand.

So let me see if I understand your stupidity correctly... You believe AIB's replaced the cards, maybe. Maybe. You believe a company that might have killed a few cards with a driver did not take responsibility, yet are unable to produce anything such as web articles that would support such a tin foil moronic thought process? And if you believe as you say that AIB's had to cover this, what proof do you have that AIB's had to pay for Nvidia's mistake, surely there would be articles on the web about such a tremendous ethical failure on Nvidia's part, right?

Oh me mad.

Haha!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

You're the one who claims Nvidia replaced the cards, I'm asking for citations. Otherwise it was up to each individual with a card negatively affected by 196.75 to contact their brands RMA department.

No, big brother nvidia was there on the stop before you even knew your card died, they were there, with replacement card in hand for you. Because that's the level of creepy spying and dedication a great company like Nvidia has.

Durrrrrrr.

If Asus replaced a card killed by a driver, who do you think compensated Asus? I don't need to site a source for basic business practices.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If Asus replaced a card killed by a driver, who do you think compensated Asus? I don't need to site a source for basic business practices.

Nvidia does not have a good record when it comes to good faith business practices unfortunately.

 

[Vesku]

Have you ever RMA'd things? Are you now asserting that people had a 100% success rate at RMAing their cards due to 196.75? That is an extraordinary claim and requires some documentation to be taken seriously. Especially considering the problems end users had RMAing 8000 series chips affected by bad decisions made regarding lead-free interface material (colloquially known as Bumpgate).

Note: I only bring up Bumpgate to re-assert my charge that RMAing through brands is very different from a claim that Nvidia replaced the dead cards.

No, big brother nvidia was there on the stop before you even knew your card died, they were there, with replacement card in hand for you. Because that's the level of creepy spying and dedication a great company like Nvidia has.

Durrrrrrr.

If Asus replaced a card killed by a driver, who do you think compensated Asus? I don't need to site a source for basic business practices.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Amd does not have a good record when it comes to good business practices unfortunately.

:thumbsup:

There is no good faith at work, it's a simple matter of them taking responsibility with AIB's to cover their mistake. Even if if they didn't that's matter between them and the AIB's not us as users and has no business being discussed in this forum section.

Unless you can come up with some instances where someone without warranty lost their card and it wasn't replaced it's a moot point and mildly retarded thought processes is the only explanation as to why it was brought up.

Have you ever RMA'd things? Are you now asserting that people had a 100% success rate at RMAing their cards due to 196.75? That is an extraordinary claim and requires some documentation to be taken seriously. Especially considering the problems end users had RMAing 8000 series chips affected by bad decisions made regarding lead-free interface material (colloquially known as Bumpgate).

Note: I only bring up Bumpgate to re-assert my charge that RMAing through brands is very different from a claim that Nvidia replaced the dead cards.

Burden of proof is on you dumbass.

AMD sucks cocks, find me some proof stating otherwise. I dare you to prove me wrong, find me a something on S/A that states direct that AMD does not suck cock while taking it in the butt. Otherwise we can assume they're a bunch of fucking faggots like their customers.


See ya'. -Admin DrPizza

 

[AnandThenMan]

Burden of proof is on you dumbass.

AMD sucks cocks, find me some proof stating otherwise. I dare you to prove me wrong, find me a something on S/A that states direct that AMD does not suck cock while taking it in the butt. Otherwise we can assume they're a bunch of fucking faggots like their customers.

How are you still able to post here. A grand experiment? D: