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What is it with Christianity?

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Dari

Lifer
That the intolerant and conservatives have a stranglehold on the religion and claim it for themselves whereas liberals want to have nothing to do with it? I cannot imagine Jesus Christ, if he existed, being a conservative. Isn't it ironic?
 
It's called hypocrisy, and it has nothing to do with religion or the Christian faith, it has to do with self centered, arrogant people who are more concerned with power and politics.

Note that Jesus decried this, and spoke more against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees than any other topic (including money). They were a group who claimed super religiosity, but were more concerned with the external appearance. They loved money, prestige, and power rather than truly being holy before God or practicing true righteousness.

These people you speak of are not true Christians, they just happen to grow up in a Christian atmosphere. If they had to undergo real persecution (i.e. the type that happened during Roman times and happens in other countries today) they would fall away from the faith fast.

Ignorant people who think they are knowledgeable say that religion causes wars, violence, etc. (and I have heard that argument many times here) but really it's just manipulated by evil people just as any other institution (like economic or political ones) can be.

Jesus wasn't involved in politics. He simply preached the gospel and did good works. Anyone following his example (which is what it means to be a Christian, to follow Jesus) wouldn't care about liberal vs conservative politics, but instead preach the gospel and help those who need the most help.
 
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Dari said:
That the intolerant and conservatives have a stranglehold on the religion and claim it for themselves whereas liberals want to have nothing to do with it? I cannot imagine Jesus Christ, if he existed, being a conservative. Isn't it ironic?
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Since nothing in your post indicates you have any grasp of reality I doubt you will get an answer that you consider satisfactory.

-KeithP
 
All that that Crono said.

Plus, did you ever consider that it's the liberal media that sensationalizes what these religious clowns say & do?? Might there be a reason for that?? :hmm:

99% of the Christians out there are just like you, and just want to live their life, day to day, without all that BS. But sensationalism is what sells, in the news.
 
Dari said:
That the intolerant and conservatives have a stranglehold on the religion and claim it for themselves whereas liberals want to have nothing to do with it? I cannot imagine Jesus Christ, if he existed, being a conservative. Isn't it ironic?
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Yes, yes it is.
 
Crono said:
It's called hypocrisy, and it has nothing to do with religion or the Christian faith, it has to do with self centered, arrogant people who are more concerned with power and politics.

Note that Jesus decried this, and spoke more against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees than any other topic (including money). They were a group who claimed super religiosity, but were more concerned with the external appearance. They loved money, prestige, and power rather than truly being holy before God or practicing true righteousness.

These people you speak of are not true Christians, they just happen to grow up in a Christian atmosphere. If they had to undergo real persecution (i.e. the type that happened during Roman times and happens in other countries today) they would fall away from the faith fast.

Ignorant people who think they are knowledgeable say that religion causes wars, violence, etc. (and I have heard that argument many times here) but really it's just manipulated by evil people just as any other institution (like economic or political ones) can be.

Jesus wasn't involved in politics. He simply preached the gospel and did good works. Anyone following his example (which is what it means to be a Christian, to follow Jesus) wouldn't care about liberal vs conservative politics, but instead preach the gospel and help those who need the most help.
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OP, this is about the best post you can get in four minutes, without us knowing your perspective or motivation for posting the question.

Accordingly,
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Crono said:
It's called hypocrisy, and it has nothing to do with religion or the Christian faith, it has to do with self centered, arrogant people who are more concerned with power and politics.

Note that Jesus decried this, and spoke more against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees than any other topic (including money). They were a group who claimed super religiosity, but were more concerned with the external appearance. They loved money, prestige, and power rather than truly being holy before God or practicing true righteousness.

These people you speak of are not true Christians, they just happen to grow up in a Christian atmosphere. If they had to undergo real persecution (i.e. the type that happened during Roman times and happens in other countries today) they would fall away from the faith fast.

Ignorant people who think they are knowledgeable say that religion causes wars, violence, etc. (and I have heard that argument many times here) but really it's just manipulated by evil people just as any other institution (like economic or political ones) can be.

Jesus wasn't involved in politics. He simply preached the gospel and did good works. Anyone following his example (which is what it means to be a Christian, to follow Jesus) wouldn't care about liberal vs conservative politics, but instead preach the gospel and help those who need the most help.
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Well it does cause wars, because the people with power pull the heart-strings of those who hold the faith. If religion can be made into propaganda, it's the strongest propaganda tool available. Whip the religious people into a frenzy (you know, the "pawns", the bodies that actually FIGHT the wars), and that's how shit gets ugly.

Really, religious wars of the state-sponsored type have essentially died out (for the moment). Who knows, with the way the neo-zealot movement has slowly grown as of late, it could sprout up again. But most of the "religion cause war" claims kind of ignore the details of today, and focus on yesteryear. Back in the old days, where whole kingdoms and empires were essentially folded under a unifying religion (to a varied degree, with varying success in the long-run), my above statement most certainly covers that; The Powers whipped The Followers into a frenzy, and got them to "spread the word" or "conquer the heathens."
 
Liberals want nothing to do with religion? Hardly. We just try not to be assholes about it. Besides, one thing that liberals are big on is that whole social justice thing that conservatives tend to demonize as of late...
 
destrekor said:
Well it does cause wars, because the people with power pull the heart-strings of those who hold the faith. If religion can be made into propaganda, it's the strongest propaganda tool available. Whip the religious people into a frenzy (you know, the "pawns", the bodies that actually FIGHT the wars), and that's how shit gets ugly.

Really, religious wars of the state-sponsored type have essentially died out (for the moment). Who knows, with the way the neo-zealot movement has slowly grown as of late, it could sprout up again. But most of the "religion cause war" claims kind of ignore the details of today, and focus on yesteryear. Back in the old days, where whole kingdoms and empires were essentially folded under a unifying religion (to a varied degree, with varying success in the long-run), my above statement most certainly covers that; The Powers whipped The Followers into a frenzy, and got them to "spread the word" or "conquer the heathens."
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Of course, the "Christianity" of the Crusades holds no resemblance to the Christianity of Christ.

Also,
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:colbert:


😛
 
Dari said:
That the intolerant and conservatives have a stranglehold on the religion and claim it for themselves whereas liberals want to have nothing to do with it? I cannot imagine Jesus Christ, if he existed, being a conservative. Isn't it ironic?
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Perhaps you can point to where Jesus advocated stealing from one group in order to benefit another.
 
Crono said:
It's called hypocrisy, and it has nothing to do with religion or the Christian faith, it has to do with self centered, arrogant people who are more concerned with power and politics.

Note that Jesus decried this, and spoke more against the hypocrisy of the Pharisees than any other topic (including money). They were a group who claimed super religiosity, but were more concerned with the external appearance. They loved money, prestige, and power rather than truly being holy before God or practicing true righteousness.

These people you speak of are not true Christians, they just happen to grow up in a Christian atmosphere. If they had to undergo real persecution (i.e. the type that happened during Roman times and happens in other countries today) they would fall away from the faith fast.

Ignorant people who think they are knowledgeable say that religion causes wars, violence, etc. (and I have heard that argument many times here) but really it's just manipulated by evil people just as any other institution (like economic or political ones) can be.

Jesus wasn't involved in politics. He simply preached the gospel and did good works. Anyone following his example (which is what it means to be a Christian, to follow Jesus) wouldn't care about liberal vs conservative politics, but instead preach the gospel and help those who need the most help.
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post of the year award
 
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