Without hunting many animal populations would be out of control. Hunting helps more than it hurts. It is the unresponsible hunters that are killing things to extinction. These pictures i saw of the deer hunters are no where near on the same level as the unresponsible hunters.
When I hunted animals and fowl, I never thought of it as being proud to have shot a helpless animal with a gun.
I thought of it as matching my skill against a adversary that had a better chance of surviving the day.
I've hunted deer and learned that they are very crafty and got 'whitewashed' several times. As I grew older and wiser, I learned.
Hunting gamebirds is another matter. You have to be a better shot because those birds are fast and smart too.
I was never proud to have used a gun or rifle to "get my game". IMHO, it was patience, follow through and markmanship that I took pride in, never the weapon.
I thought of it as matching my skill against a adversary that had a better chance of surviving the day.
I've hunted deer and learned that they are very crafty and got 'whitewashed' several times. As I grew older and wiser, I learned.
Hunting gamebirds is another matter. You have to be a better shot because those birds are fast and smart too.
I was never proud to have used a gun or rifle to "get my game". IMHO, it was patience, follow through and markmanship that I took pride in, never the weapon.
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sure they do.
I generally don't have a problem with hunting. If regulated properly, it's a good way to control animal populations and keep biodiversity in check. Of course, when you introduce feral pigs to an area just b/c they're fun to shoot; then you're causing problems.
Anyway, there is no natural defence that any animal has to out-gun a high-powered rifle. I have a bit of respect for hunting, I can see it as a sport (unlike that ridiculous Nascar BS--that's not even racing!), but I think it would seem a bit more sporting if reduced to bow-hunting and knife-hunting. Think you're a man by picking off a grizzly from 100 yards away? How about taking one with a bowie knife? (whilst dressed in a loin cloth of course)
Then we see who the real hunter is.
That argument holds no water. We are 'man' by using the best tools we have. We didn't evolve to have enormous strength, speed, and razor sharp claws... we took the intelligence route and that in turn allowed us to develop better and better tools. We win.
Hunting with a FAL. Nice.
I think my country bumpkin bro in laws have cases of ammo...but they live in Idaho, so that's normal. Plus, they have a couple of muzzle loaders and the tools to make ammo...
Originally posted by: bluemax
Any "sport" that can be done by a fat, drunk redneck who can barely tie his shoelaces while sober doesn't seem that much to be proud of.
and yet I bet half ATOT couldn't pull it off....
Originally posted by: nweaver
and yet I bet half ATOT couldn't pull it off....Originally posted by: bluemax
Any "sport" that can be done by a fat, drunk redneck who can barely tie his shoelaces while sober doesn't seem that much to be proud of.
Could be they're dumber / more drugged than the redneck in question?
Originally posted by: bluemax
That's the American Way!
A.K.A. "If it moves - shoot it!"
tbh, if the proverbial fecal matter hit the fan, they wouldn't be too bad off...
lets see...Dairy farm for milk/meat/dairy products...check
farm for grain/veggies....check
large tanks of fuel to power machines to run the farm....check
plans to move all equipement to hydrogen power, that's created/stored using wind energy...check
hot girls...check (I married their hot sister)
enough ammo/guns to stave off all but a full platoon of marines...check
edit: to keep it on topic, out in the middle of the sticks, so they can hunt down bear/deer/badgers and club them to death...check
Q: What do you call a cow with no legs?
A: Ground beef.
My boss' dad is such a good shot he fired at an elk once and the guide he was with said to shoot it again. Well he fired right into the same hole and both rounds went into the animal's heart.
I might go hunting next year for an oryx. Good meat.
You really need to educate yourself OP before saying such stupid stuff.
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I completely agree with you. But my point, is that as we have evolved to the level where we indeed do win, we totally outclass any other naturally evolved animal in terms of ability to kill (by exploiting our wonderful tools). Again, the playing field is no longer level. Say a well-trained hunter strips himself of his assault rigle (please...is that sporting?), and replaces with a knife or very long spear. His pointy stabbing device now equals that of the bear's claws and teeth. There is a size and strength mismatch, sure, but the hunter is still at an advantage due to a more advanced intelligence, as you say. He could set up a pitfall and lead the bear into a trap. Can you tell me that a killing a bear in this way i sless satisfying than killing a bear who never sees you and is never a threat to your safety? please
put the two hunters together at a party. who's going to have the better story to tell and gain far more respect from everyone else?
Humans hunted bear, deer, elk, tigers, and freaking mammoths for millenia--and very successfully--with spears (and much less intelligence). Sure, the mortality rate was likely higher...but did it do anything to compromise the progression of our species? The evidence is overwhelming.
My argument holds plenty of water....as long as you realize what it is that I am arguing.
I guess I don't understand the point of your argument then. Why would any sane hunter want to put themselves at risk for the sake of a better story? Also, although some people wouldn't care, I personally would prefer a quick kill. You are much more likely to get that with a gun than a spear/knife. I'm not really a hunter, but if I was I'd be doing it for food, not to put myself in harm's way.
is it humane to spread the killing out by using crude weapons?
A bear would turn and fight, but if you catch a dear with a spear, it's gonna run....a long long ways before it dies, and that either means tracking a long time and then packing it back out, or leaving it to die somewhere else. Which is more humane (yes that can happen with a gun, but not nearly as often as with a spear or a knife)
A bear would turn and fight, but if you catch a dear with a spear, it's gonna run....a long long ways before it dies, and that either means tracking a long time and then packing it back out, or leaving it to die somewhere else. Which is more humane (yes that can happen with a gun, but not nearly as often as with a spear or a knife)
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