What is it about humans that makes some of us think shooting an animal with a gun is brave or noble or tough

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: BoberFettconfused; The need to eat is directly related to starvation. I'm not really sure I should even bother attempting to talk to you, since you fail to see a relationship in one of the most basic human needs. I'll try to grin and bear it.

Please explain your experiences with your survival being threatened due to starvation recently.

I face starvation every day, as does every living animal on the planet. That's why we eat. You're not very bright are you. Ohhhh, I see, you pray to god. That explains a few things.

I find it amazing that you can shamelessly call what you do, "facing starvation."

The level of reasoning here is absolutely appalling... If I was able to compel anyone to answer any questions this would have been over real quick. Since I can't, I'll be on my way.

 

[matchbox1012]

they want to hut something the want, and finally they also want to eat what they hunted

 

[INM8]

Well personally I would never want to hunt myself, or hurt any other species for that matter. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with hunting, as long as it is done humanely, and you eat what you kill. What pisses me off is when you hear of people slaughtering animals for nothing, or just for the fun of it. There is no point in that, it is cruel, wastefull, and I just don't know why you would do it. It does happen however. A few months ago about 40 fur seals were shot and left for dead in a national park. They found the people who did it, and they are getting one measly year in jail. Now no one can tell me that slaughtering 40 harmless fur seals is a basic human need, or justifiable at all for that matter. If there weren't idiots who did stuff like that, then hunting wouldn't be getting the bad press that it does these days.

 

[ShellGuy]

FYI that isn't hunting it is poaching and is breaking the law, no person in their right mind will go to a park and hunt..




Will G.

 

[INM8]

Yes, but there is no point in pretending that there is no connection between the two. What I was getting at is that people who do stuff like that give responsible gun owners and "hunters" bad names whether there is that distinction there or not, because in the end there is a fine line between the two.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: busmaster11

Originally posted by: BoberFettconfused; The need to eat is directly related to starvation. I'm not really sure I should even bother attempting to talk to you, since you fail to see a relationship in one of the most basic human needs. I'll try to grin and bear it.

Please explain your experiences with your survival being threatened due to starvation recently.

I face starvation every day, as does every living animal on the planet. That's why we eat. You're not very bright are you. Ohhhh, I see, you pray to god. That explains a few things.

I find it amazing that you can shamelessly call what you do, "facing starvation."

The level of reasoning here is absolutely appalling... If I was able to compel anyone to answer any questions this would have been over real quick. Since I can't, I'll be on my way.

You're hopeless.

One last time. If you don't eat, you starve. That's how the human body works. So how is eating something you killed yourself any more savage than eating something that somebody else killed so you wouldn't have to get your wussy little hands bloody?

Please tell me I'm not the only person who sees just how goddam stupid this guy is.

 

[Enig101]

I think that hunting is a pretty ridiculous hobby. I do not think I could ever get enjoyment out of taking the life of a living creature. To be honest I find it even slightly disgusting that people take all their sophisiticated gear and scopes and what-not, and then ride out on ATVs. It's not like the animals really have much of a chance, even if it does take some skill to hit them, they are just a target.

But still, as long as the animals are hunted for food, then I do not have a moral issue with it. People must eat and for that some animals must be killed. That's just life.

 

[adairusmc]

I am going to go Coyote hunting this weekend, and if/when I shoot one, I am going to pose with it, just for the OP. I am also going to dump its body in a ditch, just like the coyote deserves, just for the OP.

 

[logic0010]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Boasting about killing a wild animal with a gun seems retarded.. now if it was larger than you and you ran it down and killed it with your bare hands then you might have something worth talking about... but sniping an unsuspecting animal with a gun?? Whatever

http://www.wildhorseprairie.com/photo.htm << they all look so proud.. but what was their accomplishment?

BTW, to the people who claim it is hard to shoot a wild animal that is running.. are you saying that all of the animals in those pictures were running away from the hunter before he shot it .. or maybe he/she scared it first to make the fight more fair?


are you a vegan?


**I am not completely putting down hunting culture.. I just don't understand what there is to be proud of...

This thread was not thought out in advance.. I was looking for some pictures of something totally unrelated and came across the ones I posted..

What about Big Game Hunters? Those guys .. the ones who go out into Africa to kill a lion with a gun or a elephant or whatever.. I hate those people.. they don't do it for the meat.. they think they really accomplished something with their motorized vehicles and super rifles and trackers etc..

 

[GasX]

Is there anything brave or noble or tough about removing yourself from the meat procurement chain thereby creating a demand for factory farming? Indirectly paying someone else to murder your meat doesn't exactly make you a higher being.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
A) Most ethical hunters do NOT shoot at a deer that's running. Walking is okay, but running leaves too much of a risk of a wounded animal (rather than a quick humane kill.)

B) I'll use this analogy, since virtually everyone here will understand it. Suppose you go to 4 or 5 different stores, buy a ton of off-the-shelf components, go home, build a computer from scratch, get an operating system to work on it... Wouldn't you be proud of your accomplishment the first time it booted up; and possibly smile because of the satisfaction of achieving your goal? You'd probably have a bigger smile if it was a state of the art system with a top of the line graphics card, etc. This is close to the equivalent of setting a goal of getting a deer. Well, it's close. Success in the field often means spending 10's of hours (or 100's) in the woods, often (around here) in freezing temperatures, and sometimes with a foot or more of snow on the ground.

C) I'm going hunting for black bear along the PA/NY border tomorrow morning. Most bears are in the 200-300 pound range. However, that area is known to have produced several around 450 pounds. I've seen what a big bear can do; they're stronger than most people would ever believe. I'm bringing a hunting knife and a bow. Odds of successfully getting a bear? About 1 in 1000. If I get one, am I going to be grinning from ear to ear? You bet. For days.

Yup, I think DrPizza hit the nail on the head here. Bow hunting actually takes skill and I think you have a reason to brag there, but not really with a high powered rifle with the latest scope.

 

[j00fek]

i (try) to shoot a deer every year, some times its a hard shot some its fairly easy. but what a great feeling when you tag out and dont have to worry for another yr for Bambi to come walk out in front of you for a nice helping of deer steaks!

 

[zebano]

Originally posted by: yllus
You really are an enormous sissy.

QFT

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator
"How can hunting be considered a sport when the animals don't even know they're playing?"

I am not a hunter, but that comparison is logically broken. If hunting was considered a sport, the teams would not be hunters vs prey. It would be hunter vs hunter, with the prey being the equivalent of the enzone, basket hoop, or soccer goal. The soccer goal doesn't need to be aware that it is a game, because it is only a target in the sport.

 

[alejandroAT]

being able to shoot at a target has nothing to do with inteligence. I have been in the army and i can tell you that the best snipers have the most excrements in their heads. Hunters too. Its always the stupidest more uneducated hillbilly idiots that do it.

Shooting is for everyone and firing a gun is the easiest thing in the world. Proof of that is all the little childern around the world who have fired and killed family members with their dad's shotgun. And modern rifles are especially easy to use. They dont even kick that hard and they actually shoot where you aim.

Handarms are a completely different thing but then again they are not used in hunting are they?

 

[Randum]

Killing something-anything proves power!!
and nothing screams power than shooting a rabbit or a deer-since they are SO VIOLENT AND AGRESSIVE! *sarcasm +10*

I am not a fan of shooting and killing to kill-and you can sit here til your blue in the face and tell me its skill but in the end- you are killing "sitting ducks"- no defense or way to attack you-theres only one animal fighting for its life- and its NOT the hunter.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
Handarms are a completely different thing but then again they are not used in hunting are they?

So I guess my experience shooting with a handarm is a little offbase then. Do handguns have more or less kick?

 

[AreaCode707]

I won't make a parody thread but I will make a parody post.

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What is it about geeks that makes some of us think shooting pixels with an image of a gun is brave or noble or tough?

Boasting about killing a set of inanimate pixels with a fake gun seems retarded.. now if it was real and larger than you and you ran it down and killed it with your bare hands then you might have something worth talking about... but sniping a blob of colors on a screen with a mouse?? Whatever

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=counter-strike+champion << they all look so proud.. but what was their accomplishment?

BTW, to the people who claim it is hard to shoot a video game character that is running.. are you saying that all of the characters in those games were running away from the player before he shot it .. or maybe he/she scared it first to make the fight more fair?


**I am not completely putting down gaming culture.. I just don't understand what there is to be proud of...

What about Halo and Counter-Strike tournament players? Those guys .. the ones who go out into Japan to spend hours shooting other players with a gun or whatever.. I hate those people.. they don't do it for the prize.. they think they really accomplished something with their souped up computers and no-life practice times etc..

I think that if you're looking for a purpose to hunting, look at the gaming culture. There are a lot of similarities in the amount of pride the participants take in their work, and about the same reasons for why...

 

[zebano]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: DougK62
Using a firearm to shoot a target from a distance DOES take some skill, ya know.

Aside from reducing overpopulation, hunting is plain wasteful and cruel. There are some things in life that are wasteful as well, but I also don't torture living creatures.

So you are telling me that raising cows/pigs/chickens in as tight a confine as possible, raising them with tons of hormones, then lining them up and marching them into a slaughterhouse is better? Unless you happen to be a vegan, you are a hypocrite (maybe due to ignorance, but a hypocrite nonetheless).

 

[BoomerD]

Won't SOMEONE think of the animals? Poor Bambi and Thumper!...Oh NOES! You savage meat-eating ball-bearians!...Oh wait...if I eat veggies, I'm killing THEM too! Where's my official Star-Trek TNG food synthesizer when I need it?

 

[alejandroAT]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
Handarms are a completely different thing but then again they are not used in hunting are they?

So I guess my experience shooting with a handarm is a little offbase then. Do handguns have more or less kick?

the force is exactly the same. Its the mechanics that change. Having a shoulder rest and gripping a rifle with both hands is much easier than trying to hold a small handle that keeps kicking. But thats entirely irrelevant, i dont see why you chose to focus there.

 

[OrlyNorly]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Now I'll tell you what would be fun.



Hunting zombies on the loose.

i've got rifles for that too!

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yup, I think DrPizza hit the nail on the head here. Bow hunting actually takes skill and I think you have a reason to brag there, but not really with a high powered rifle with the latest scope.

How many people can say they killed a bear with their bare hands? (pun intended)

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: waggy
heh i find it amusing that anti-hunting people are fine with eating a cheeseburger and letting the deer population waste due to starvation, disease etc. But have a hunter shoot a deer and eat it! oh noo! the savages. LOL

I know that MY problem isn't with the hunting itself - but rather, the chest-beating that goes with it. It's the guys who insist on mounting heads on their wall to boast about how manly they are and bragging to their buddies about the "thrill of the kill" that ruins the reputation of the hunter who's just trying to help feed his family.

And the deer population would correct itself (via starvation if necessary) hunters aren't required for population control - just makes a great excuse for some to go food-gathering, and others to go in blazing-barrels looking for blood!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Since any moron can shoot a rifle with great accuracy (at least according to many of the morons in this thread) I hope to see all of you trying out for the U.S. Olympic Rifle Team.