What is going on with the story on ivermectin?

[Moonbeam]

No, your efforts is listening to the likes of Jordan Peterson and regurgitating their bullshit. I thought you were quite a different person when I started reading your posts and it turns out you are just another propagandist spewing forth the bullshit of sources you rely on and then shoving your heels into the ground as to not be dragged into what is objective reality because that would entail having to admit when you are wrong. Something you are demonstrably (by this and other threads) completely incapable of doing.

I have a feeling that you wanted to be a scientist in some field but your refusal to admit you are wrong made you do something that disqualified you from the field forever.

It's not the first time, it's not the thousandth time either, ego is a bitch. I can let that go, you can't.

The only thing that needs to happen here is for you to listen to reason instead of propagating the bullshit but you can't do that, your ego won't let you.

Must eliminate error must eliminate error! Searching, searching, must find a box to put Moonbeam in…. Danger, danger, categorization must be found…. records indicate Jordan Peterson references found. Jordan Peterson, Jordan Peterson, Nazi file 22B dash 00195. Cross reference Moonbeams file X3210 dangerous threat, cross reference to 22B dash 00195 merge files, seal and LOCK. RELAX TAKE A DEEP BREATH, DANGER AVERTED. Safe at last, failed mad scientist wannabe boxed all up with a beautiful Colorful bow.

Sleep state restored.

 

[Moonbeam]

as I said earlier, more psychobabble isn't going to help you.

If you insist on drinking bleach then no one here is going to stop you. Just don't expect anyone here to join you.

Please don’t expect anybody but utter dunces to read into what I said as having any such insistence.

 

[sdifox]

Op should just take some Ivermectin and document his experience. Preferably from the throne.

 

[Greenman]

Please don’t expect anybody but utter dunces to read into what I said as having any such insistence.

You done pissed off the herd Moonie, now you have to be ostracized.

 

[Pohemi]

You done pissed off the herd Moonie, now you have to be ostracized.

Gaslight harder, chump.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Some lab could study drug "xxxx" preliminary tests or hundreds of different established medicines on disease "xxxx". You hear about "studies" showing ivermectin does have "some" antiviral effects on cell cultures in a petri dish at high concentrations. What’s left out is that the required concentration for a measurable therapeutic effect is higher than what is safely achievable in a living, breathing human being. What they're saying is that if they take enough ivermectin, they won’t be suffering from COVID anymore. They won’t be suffering from anything. Ah, it’s a cure all.
Ivermectin became a cause celebre for right-wing figures promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment. Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted.

“xxxx" drug kills cancer cells in a petri dish”

As does soap and water. or how about ultraviolet light? or bleach? If you don’t schedule your appointment at the Misinformation Clinic right away, your a goner.

Again ... Merck's statement on Ivermectin for use with COVID19. They would have updated this statement if evidence came to light of therapeutic effects.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...

www.merck.com

 

[Moonbeam]

Some lab could study drug "xxxx" preliminary tests or hundreds of different established medicines on disease "xxxx". You hear about "studies" showing ivermectin does have "some" antiviral effects on cell cultures in a petri dish at high concentrations. What’s left out is that the required concentration for a measurable therapeutic effect is higher than what is safely achievable in a living, breathing human being. What they're saying is that if they take enough ivermectin, they won’t be suffering from COVID anymore. They won’t be suffering from anything. Ah, it’s a cure all.
Ivermectin became a cause celebre for right-wing figures promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment. Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted.

“xxxx" drug kills cancer cells in a petri dish”

As does soap and water. or how about ultraviolet light? or bleach? If you don’t schedule your appointment at the Misinformation Clinic right away, your a goner.

Again ... Merck's statement on Ivermectin for use with COVID19. They would have updated this statement if evidence came to light of therapeutic effects.

Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...

www.merck.com

Day late and a dollar short. I have explained that all of your good and true points have nothing to do with the issue I am trying to get to which, owing to the nature of biased and conditioned thinking that bias and conditioning will make the point I am trying to make difficult for people who do not see they have it. We all have it. We can learn to watch for it.

My experience is that deep self analysis will be extremely damaging to the ego which is just a defense mechanism to protect us from the real damage already done to us as children that the ego was created by to save us from dying of that pain. Our savior then is now our enemy and to know that would be to feel again that pain.

 

[Captante]

Tell somebody they project their projection and they will promptly comply with a charge of projection. There are some really careful readers here.

Day late and a dollar short. I have explained that all of your god and true points have nothing to do with the issue I am trying to get to which, owing to the nature of biased and conditioned thinking that bias and conditioning will make the point I am trying to make difficult for people who do not see they have it. We all have it. We can learn to watch for it.

My experience is that deep self analysis will be extremely damaging to the ego which is just a defense mechanism to protect us from the real damage already done to us as children that the ego was created by to save us from dying of that pain. Our savior then is now our enemy and to know that would be to feel again that pain.

Dude.... this post literally makes no sense.

Quit while you're behind. (seriously... if you think this post is "perfectly rational" then you need some help... in the nicest way possible to say it!)

 

[Moonbeam]

Dude.... this post literally makes no sense.

Quit while you're behind. (seriously... if you think this post is "perfectly rational" then you need some help... in the nicest way possible to say it!)


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There were mistakes in my post that resulted from quoting two posts when only one was intended. Not sure if that fixes anything.

 

[Captante]

There were mistakes in my post that resulted from quoting two posts when only one was intended. Not sure if that fixes anything.

The errors didn't help any but that's not what I was referring to.

The last time I saw someone posting consistently like you have been (not here) they did themselves in not too long afterwards.... talk to somebody plz.

 

[Moonbeam]

The errors didn't help any but that's not what I was referring to.

The last time I saw someone posting consistently like you have been (not here) they did themselves in not too long afterwards.... talk to somebody plz.

I would definitely like to know anyone you have seen posting like me before because there is no friend one can have better than one whose aim is that all should know the joy of being. I found a friend like that on this forum, the best friend I ever had. The purpose of life is to live and living is being, the greatest gift. Thank you for your concern but thoughts of suicide are a distant memory of a self that died a different way many moons ago.

Perhaps what is happening is that you are more sensitive and self aware than most, closer to being real, and thus more aware that real knowledge brings to the surface just the kinds of feelings you worry I might feel. Been there done that, I beat the Nothing. I can’t beat death but I will offer no help except hopefully, at the end. Love you…..

 

[Captante]

I would definitely like to know anyone you have seen posting like me before because there is no friend one can have better than one whose aim is that all should know the joy of being. I found a friend like that on this forum, the best friend I ever had. The purpose of life is to live and living is being, the greatest gift. Thank you for your concern but thoughts of suicide are a distant memory of a self that died a different way many moons ago.

Perhaps what is happening is that you are more sensitive and self aware than most, closer to being real, and thus more aware that real knowledge brings to the surface just the kinds of feelings you worry I might feel. Been there done that, I beat the Nothing. I can’t beat death but I will offer no help except hopefully, at the end. Love you…..

Nevermind... I tried.

(you are however correct in that I DO care.... don't keep letting the negativity eat you up)

 

[Moonbeam]

Nevermind... I tried.

(you are however correct in that I DO care.... don't keep letting the negativity eat you up)

I have suggested that negativity is a product of a delusion that is powerfully fixed or motivated like the Matrix is a prison for the mind. But for those who experience a state that causes that prison to collapse negativity is ended. Who better to handle negativity, the product of delusion, than those for who the delusion has ceased to exist? If you do not experience the feeling you have something precious you don’t want to lose, you the Nothing can only offer you the following exchange. “I’d offer you nothing in exchange for nothing said the nothing, but why bother.”

 

[VRAMdemon]

Day late and a dollar short. I have explained that all of your good and true points have nothing to do with the issue I am trying to get to which, owing to the nature of biased and conditioned thinking that bias and conditioning will make the point I am trying to make difficult for people who do not see they have it. We all have it. We can learn to watch for it.

My experience is that deep self analysis will be extremely damaging to the ego which is just a defense mechanism to protect us from the real damage already done to us as children that the ego was created by to save us from dying of that pain. Our savior then is now our enemy and to know that would be to feel again that pain.

Ah ok ... Carry on then. I'm out. Had no idea this was a phycological evaluation. My ego and critical thinking skills tells me that the maker of this drug, doctors and medical experts have put out statements saying there is no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy of this drug in patients with COVID-19. That's my defense mechanism.

 

[Moonbeam]

Ah ok ... Carry on then. I'm out. Had no idea this was a phycological evaluation. My ego and critical thinking skills tells me that the maker of this drug, doctors and medical experts have put out statements saying there is no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy of this drug in patients with COVID-19. That's my defense mechanism.

You are absolutely right about that. This is now a long enough thread tha one can hardly imagine anyone having the tine or reason to thoroughly absorb, but I began it to address the issue that while I had always assumed the Ivermectin thingi was utter bullshit right from the start and that all those who had reported anything positive about it, there was in fact a brief tine when scientists took the potential it could be helpful seriously enough to want to know more. It is that openness to something potentially positive that I admire more than my reflexive negativity. Seems that some knew before they could know that it was all a joke and such a call to not trust might have had the same effect in reverse as conservatives rushing to believe. This is a difficult point to make to liberals when constantly frustrated by modern conservative derangement. There is a lot of rage.

 

[Brainonska511]

Again ... Merck's statement on Ivermectin for use with COVID19. They would have updated this statement if evidence came to light of therapeutic effects.

In fairness, Merck would not have updated any official statement unless they presented evidence to the FDA to instigate a label change to their approved product. To use a corporate channel to suggest an off-label use is a huge no-no and the FDA will come down on you like a ton of bricks.

Regardless of Merck's statements or non-statements though: the evidence was basically non-existent for ivermectin once you scratched the surface of the "preliminary studies". But that won't stop the OP from JAQing off.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

You are absolutely right about that. This is now a long enough thread tha one can hardly imagine anyone having the tine or reason to thoroughly absorb, but I began it to address the issue that while I had always assumed the Ivermectin thingi was utter bullshit right from the start and that all those who had reported anything positive about it, there was in fact a brief tine when scientists took the potential it could be helpful seriously enough to want to know more. It is that openness to something potentially positive that I admire more than my reflexive negativity. Seems that some knew before they could know that it was all a joke and such a call to not trust might have had the same effect in reverse as conservatives rushing to believe. This is a difficult point to make to liberals when constantly frustrated by modern conservative derangement. There is a lot of rage.

Have you considered you might be wrong?

 

[Pohemi]

Seems that some knew before they could know that it was all a joke and such a call to not trust might have had the same effect in reverse as conservatives rushing to believe. This is a difficult point to make to liberals when constantly frustrated by modern conservative derangement. There is a lot of rage.

Right...the premise of your OP. You do nothing but talk in circles, stating your bullshit psychoanalysis that nobody (here) cares about. Why not go spew this shit on a psychology forum? Or perhaps Philosophy? At least you'd fit in better with these repeating statements, and you might even find someone that wants to know/learn more from you. That's not here, but you don't want to hear that.

Have you considered you might be wrong?

I don't think so. He's stated a few times his uncertainty on certain subjects, but 99% of the time if you disagree with anything he says, it's because YOU are broken. It's never himself, since he's so wise and knowledgable about the universe and all of humanity.

 

[Moonbeam]

Have you considered you might be wrong?

What I have considered is that because I believe I am right and in addition to that also believe there is value in what I suggest is right, that I have not only a moral duty to present my point of view as best as I can and that I have done just that as best I can.

The notion of considering that I am wrong is, therefore, a somewhat useless exercise. It makes no personal difference to me if I am actually right in some,the right answer is in a box somewhere that ‘proves me wrong’ kind of way. I am not engaged in an argument or debate where being right is the objective. My intention is to share a way of seeing the rewards of which internally satisfy.

The need to be right, the fear of being wrong, the need to conform, the need to belong to the right herd are empty for me.

I see it as a duty to speak the the truth as I see it without thought of reward or scorn. I have nothing to win. I was given a gift no amount of gratitude could ever repay.

 

[Pohemi]

I see it as a duty to speak the the truth as I see it without thought of reward or scorn.

"My duty is to spread the word of God and save all these sinners, for they know not how damned they are."

No difference, especially when people (the ones here on these forums) have no interest in your bullshit.

Your clown name is now Moonpies.

 

[dank69]

What I have considered is that because I believe I am right and in addition to that also believe there is value in what I suggest is right, that I have not only a moral duty to present my point of view as best as I can and that I have done just that as best I can.

...

You sound like a Jehovah's Witness

 

[Moonbeam]

"My duty is to spread the word of God and save all these sinners, for they know not how damned they are."

No difference, especially when people (the ones here on these forums) have no interest in your bullshit.

Your clown name is now Moonpies.

How unexpected!

Somewhere in the transitions of the software platform this forum runs on I would have, for the second time had to relearn how to reestablish the icon I originally chose to mirror how the worldview I hold would seem. I decided after the effort the first time I wouldn’t bother. For that reason though I originally a clown avatar and the name, Moonbean, to reflect back to people what they would see. In those days the name Moonbeam also referred politically and pejoratively to a progress Governor Moonbeam of California. Thus equipped with name avatar and signature I set about to reflect on what I see. And wonder of wonders I get to enjoy your cleverness. Moonpies and clown, hehe.

 

[Moonbeam]

You sound like a Jehovah's Witness

Is it really so forgettable what I have tried to tell you? Who is this JW you see and where is he located. Is he not a a creation of association of memories assembled in your head triggered by words on a screen. Who might I be had you had different experiences? Are you not expressing in words your experience as a witness? Are you not a Moonbeam witness expressing to me your religion?

 

[dank69]

Is it really so forgettable what I have tried to tell you? Who is this JW you see and where is he located. Is he not a a creation of association of memories assembled in your head triggered by words on a screen. Who might I be had you had different experiences? Are you not expressing in words your experience as a witness? Are you not a Moonbeam witness expressing to me your religion?

The only difference between you and I is that I'm not willing to waste a single second more of my life entertaining professional liars. You may be convinced they possess some nugget of truth somewhere if only we look hard enough, but I am convinced that we can find thousands of those exact same nuggets elsewhere without getting covered by shit in the process.

 

[Captante]

Is it really so forgettable what I have tried to tell you? Who is this JW you see and where is he located. Is he not a a creation of association of memories assembled in your head triggered by words on a screen. Who might I be had you had different experiences? Are you not expressing in words your experience as a witness? Are you not a Moonbeam witness expressing to me your religion?

I believe the point was that you are behaving like a JW by trying to convey points that nobody is interested in hearing even after those folks have made that abundantly clear multiple times and asked you to stop "ringing the doorbell".

And kindly skip the reply if it's just going to be more aimless rambling.