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What is going on with the story on ivermectin?

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Moonbeam said:
words, words, words, ad infintum nauseum

"In my opinion that for too many on the left the notion that anybody could have ever considered the proposition that Ivermectin might be effective before info was definitive, is diagnostic of an emotional state characterized by PTSD. The rage generated by the insanity on the right gets reflected back as rage on the left against them.

In making that point, in my opinion, I have generated that same rage against me. From where I stand it just proves my point."

followed by words, words, words.
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In my opinion, your opinion about the emotional state of "too many on the left" being PSTD is a crock. Shrug.
 
Ah, now why I always saw through the facade of moonie's posts. He really is just simply, stupid.

Captante said:
Have you suffered a recent severe head-injury or something? 😉

I'm not "comprehending" your intentions here. (beyond being a dick lol)





I want my 2 minutes spent reading the above back. 😵

Your posts in this thread at least don't make much sense coming from someone I had assumed previously was at least rational.

I'm REALLY hoping this is just a case of my missing the "/s" again.
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Wait, you thought moonie was rational? Have you not read his posts before? The last term I'd use to describe him is rational. He just blathers on with gibberish desperately trying to sound profound. But, as he's shown with this thread, when it comes to reality and facts, there's perhaps one thing we can be certain he does actually know, his ass from a hole in the ground because he decided to jam his head up the former.
 
Moonbeam said:
Thank you for admitting to the problem I saw and hoped to advise against. Poof, you just knew for reasons just like the finest conservative with his tinglingly fearful gut feelings. Everybody who sees it differently than you is a blind wombat. I appreciate your honesty.
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I have had training in the scientific method. It's obvious you haven't.

And, yes, I can tell what stories are BS pretty damn fast.

So, poof, your opinion is wrong and meaningless.

Perhaps you can post some more psychobabble to make you feel intelligent.

PS: it won't work.
 
allisolm said:
In my opinion, your opinion about the emotional state of "too many on the left" being PSTD is a crock. Shrug.
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What would be the point of me telling people what they fail to see. What you call a crock I call the reason the world has problems, people are motivated not to know the truth. The typical liberal will say that Republicans are blind to the truth because they are stupid, uneducated, don’t understand science, but many who make such charges are intellectually inferior to some conservatives.

What you will tell me is what they are but never explain why they are that was except to repeat some external symptom with no way to explain why. A conservative is a person who is characterized by the the use of intellect, not to introspect as to the truth of things, but to deflect any information and conclusions such information might imply if that leads to any thoughts that challenge their egos, those being the sacred cows they believe in that makes them,thereby, superior people. Liberals have the exact same problem but are better able to resist it.
 
Iron Woode said:
I have had training in the scientific method. It's obvious you haven't.

And, yes, I can tell what stories are BS pretty damn fast.

So, poof, your opinion is wrong and meaningless.

Perhaps you can post some more psychobabble to make you feel intelligent.

PS: it won't work.
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How could I ever compete with somebody who has actual training in the scientific method, can spot BS fast, and knows I am ignorant on the subject. And let’s not forget that it was scientists presumably versed in the scientific method, that did not originally dismiss early info out of hand or publish statements that the effectiveness of Ivermectin could not be determined and further studies would be needed.

Your argument basically consists of the fact that from the point of those initial assessments it relatively rapidly became apparent that the studies failed to deliver what otherwise would have been a worldwide blessing. That door did close but not because further. Information came in. This whole thread for me has been about the scientific method, the importance of not letting bullshit meters be triggered because such things as instant conservative seizing of any straws that satisfy their conformational bias translate into anything that would appeal to such a bias being rejected before the real facts are in.

Your statement about my understanding of the scientific method you so readily used to stereotype me as lacking and without the slightest idea of my real scientific training or facility, was frankly not very flattering.
 
Moonbeam said:
How could I ever compete with somebody who has actual training in the scientific method, can spot BS fast, and knows I am ignorant on the subject. And let’s not forget that it was scientists presumably versed in the scientific method, that did not originally dismiss early info out of hand or publish statements that the effectiveness of Ivermectin could not be determined and further studies would be needed.

Your argument basically consists of the fact that from the point of those initial assessments it relatively rapidly became apparent that the studies failed to deliver what otherwise would have been a worldwide blessing. That door did close but not because further. Information came in. This whole thread for me has been about the scientific method, the importance of not letting bullshit meters be triggered because such things as instant conservative seizing of any straws that satisfy their conformational bias translate into anything that would appeal to such a bias being rejected before the real facts are in.

Your statement about my understanding of the scientific method you so readily used to stereotype me as lacking and without the slightest idea of my real scientific training or facility, was frankly not very flattering.
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Quit acting like there ever was a Legit reason for Ivermectin to be used for Covid-19. It was part of a Grift from the beginning.
 
Moonbeam said:
...That door did close but not because further Information came in...
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Yes, it did. Your denial of reality does not make something not true. Some people may have dismissed the possiblity of using Ivermectin as treatment out of hand when it was first suggested. That does not equate to, "all people on the left jumped to immediate conclusions without scientific data to back their opinions." You're being a dumbass about this topic, more than typical for you.
Moonbeam said:
Your statement about my understanding of the scientific method you so readily used to stereotype me as lacking and without the slightest idea of my real scientific training or facility, was frankly not very flattering.
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Your statements that you apply to THE ENTIRETY OF ALL HUMANS THAT EVER LIVED OR WILL EVER LIVE is beyond stereotyping. Who gives a shit if what others label you is unflattering. You're a dumbass and obviously don't see or acknowledge your own stupidity. You haven't made a valid point in this entire thread. The premise is all #bothsides, when the arguments over Ivermectin have been VERY one-sided.

Nobody else in the thread gives two shits about those first 2-3 months after the drug was FIRST mentioned as a possible treatment, and how idiots reacted on both sides. Scientific data and studies were available LONG before you ever started this thread, but you keep wanting to discuss something that happened a full YEAR before then, as if it was yesterday.

You are being a dumbass and proclaiming YOUR personal truth as EVERYONE'S truth. Like you have for years.

Maybe you'll stop being a dumbass one of these years, but you'll have to learn to get over yourself first. Now reply to tell me I'm projecting this all on you because I hate myself, so you can never self-reflect on what others tell you. Dumbass.
 
Iron Woode said:
I have had training in the scientific method. It's obvious you haven't.

And, yes, I can tell what stories are BS pretty damn fast.

So, poof, your opinion is wrong and meaningless.

Perhaps you can post some more psychobabble to make you feel intelligent.

PS: it won't work.
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All of us in the pertinent fields agree with you except for four people who are driving this further and I doubt it will stop here.

This happens over and over, it happened with HCQ, it happened with Ivermectin and there have been a few others. It's like the "vitamin C cures polio" bullshit all over again.

Yes, if you add a fairly strong acid (ascorbic acid) to a petri dish with ANY virus or bacterium it is highly likely it will kill the virus. It's also highly likely that with enough HCQ or Ivermectin you will kill a virus, any virus, including HIV.

That doesn't really mean anything when it comes to biological processes in a living organism though, you can certainly kill the virus in vivo if you just use enough of ANYTHING, including water, but you'll also kill the organism which seems ... a bit counterproductive.
 
Moonbeam said:
How could I ever compete with somebody who has actual training in the scientific method, can spot BS fast, and knows I am ignorant on the subject. And let’s not forget that it was scientists presumably versed in the scientific method, that did not originally dismiss early info out of hand or publish statements that the effectiveness of Ivermectin could not be determined and further studies would be needed.

Your argument basically consists of the fact that from the point of those initial assessments it relatively rapidly became apparent that the studies failed to deliver what otherwise would have been a worldwide blessing. That door did close but not because further. Information came in. This whole thread for me has been about the scientific method, the importance of not letting bullshit meters be triggered because such things as instant conservative seizing of any straws that satisfy their conformational bias translate into anything that would appeal to such a bias being rejected before the real facts are in.

Your statement about my understanding of the scientific method you so readily used to stereotype me as lacking and without the slightest idea of my real scientific training or facility, was frankly not very flattering.
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This was resolved early on, you are just wrong here and it's quite clear that you don't have the understanding of biology required to understand it.

I'm fairly sure you KNOW you are wrong but your ego won't let you admit it. Either that or you listened to that abject moron Jordan Peterson again (I'm sure he's pro Ivermectin, he ALWAYS picks the wrong side and can't ever admit he could be wrong).
 
MichaelMay said:
All of us in the pertinent fields agree with you except for four people who are driving this further and I doubt it will stop here.

This happens over and over, it happened with HCQ, it happened with Ivermectin and there have been a few others. It's like the "vitamin C cures polio" bullshit all over again.

Yes, if you add a fairly strong acid (ascorbic acid) to a petri dish with ANY virus or bacterium it is highly likely it will kill the virus. It's also highly likely that with enough HCQ or Ivermectin you will kill a virus, any virus, including HIV.

That doesn't really mean anything when it comes to biological processes in a living organism though, you can certainly kill the virus in vivo if you just use enough of ANYTHING, including water, but you'll also kill the organism which seems ... a bit counterproductive.
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Yep, you can dump gasoline in there and likely get the same results. Some people just don't understand the difference. Or, they do and just don't care as long as it supports their agenda.
 
My efforts have always been to bring out the nature of unconscious bias as I believe it is unconscious motivation, an invisible prison, that traps people in proportion to how little they see it. We have now reached the stage in this attempt to do se here that resistance to acceptance of it as a fact has taken the nature that Moonbeam is suggesting that because bleach will kill 99% of germs that people with Covid should drink it.

As always, it’s a tough subject to address. No sooner do people become aware of projection, a subject I have addresses since first posting here at a time when no one else did, then the the defense became that any implication that someone was projecting became the claim they were projecting themselves.

Everyone wants to be better at being sick.
 
Moonbeam said:
My efforts have always been to bring out the nature of unconscious bias as I believe it is unconscious motivation, an invisible prison, that traps people in proportion to how little they see it. We have now reached the stage in this attempt to do se here that resistance to acceptance of it as a fact has taken the nature that Moonbeam is suggesting that because bleach will kill 99% of germs that people with Covid should drink it.

As always, it’s a tough subject to address. No sooner do people become aware of projection, a subject I have addresses since first posting here at a time when no one else did, then the the defense became that any implication that someone was projecting became the claim they were projecting themselves.

Everyone wants to be better at being sick.
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No, your efforts is listening to the likes of Jordan Peterson and regurgitating their bullshit. I thought you were quite a different person when I started reading your posts and it turns out you are just another propagandist spewing forth the bullshit of sources you rely on and then shoving your heels into the ground as to not be dragged into what is objective reality because that would entail having to admit when you are wrong. Something you are demonstrably (by this and other threads) completely incapable of doing.

I have a feeling that you wanted to be a scientist in some field but your refusal to admit you are wrong made you do something that disqualified you from the field forever.

It's not the first time, it's not the thousandth time either, ego is a bitch. I can let that go, you can't.

The only thing that needs to happen here is for you to listen to reason instead of propagating the bullshit but you can't do that, your ego won't let you.
 
Captante said:
Bear in mind I don't spend a lot of time here (P&N) .... and this little gem of a thread is a perfect example of why.

😉

OP clearly has issues but responding in-kind only makes matters worse.
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I like making matters worse, I like dragging people out of it and into the reality they have shied away from. I want people to see reality for what reality is rather than get stuck in propaganda from the morons they think are "good thinkers" .

If you're ever going to bring Moonbeam out of this, an attack is the only way forward. Me? I'm done with him until he apologizes.
 
Captante said:
Let me know how that works out for you.... I prefer to go in the opposite direction myself.

🙄



I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you have to deal with mental illness.
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I'm sorry but you are taking my quote about making people be honest out of context.

If I may do the same in return... You hate honesty, why?

This has nothing to do with mental illness, this has to do with being honest and if your mental illness prevents you from being honest you might just be Donald J Trump.
 
MichaelMay said:
I'm sorry but you are taking my quote about making people be honest out of context.

If I may do the same in return... You hate honesty, why?

This has nothing to do with mental illness, this has to do with being honest and if your mental illness prevents you from being honest you might just be Donald J Trump.
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How clever of you.... are you like 15?

I prefer to avoid going after folks who are incapable of defending themselves but you do you.
 
Captante said:
How clever of you.... are you like 15?
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No, kid, I'm old enough to be a grandfather and your attempts to find anything to attack me on without ever touching on the subject are noted, and summarily dismissed.

This isn't "clever" this is a statement of facts. If your mind prevents you from being rational, you are mentally ill. I'm not saying this is shameful, but having mentally ill people steering discourse is not a good thing, you have to realize that. They need help, not supporters of their deranged ideas.
 
Moonbeam said:
My efforts have always been to bring out the nature of unconscious bias as I believe it is unconscious motivation, an invisible prison, that traps people in proportion to how little they see it. We have now reached the stage in this attempt to do se here that resistance to acceptance of it as a fact has taken the nature that Moonbeam is suggesting that because bleach will kill 99% of germs that people with Covid should drink it.

As always, it’s a tough subject to address. No sooner do people become aware of projection, a subject I have addresses since first posting here at a time when no one else did, then the the defense became that any implication that someone was projecting became the claim they were projecting themselves.

Everyone wants to be better at being sick.
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as I said earlier, more psychobabble isn't going to help you.

If you insist on drinking bleach then no one here is going to stop you. Just don't expect anyone here to join you.
 
MichaelMay said:
I like making matters worse, I like dragging people out of it and into the reality they have shied away from. I want people to see reality for what reality is rather than get stuck in propaganda from the morons they think are "good thinkers" .

If you're ever going to bring Moonbeam out of this, an attack is the only way forward. Me? I'm done with him until he apologizes.
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Heh, you're new here, so I'll give you a little tip.. Moonbeam ain't coming out of this, he's only gone deeper in as the years have passed. I suggest just being done with him, any apology is likely to be wrapped in some prattle about your own self-hatred and how it's a reflection of you, not him.
 
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