what is Apple thinking?

[Burnt]

<< u can use iPod with PC, I do, I have alpha software >>

hmm... thats not what their website says

Duh...Apple's not going to say "oh by the way, you can use the ipod on PC's".

 

[ElFenix]

so the difference is whether they pay money to at&t? i was expecting something a little more technical...

 

[Ameesh]

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<< really? what separates various BSDs from unix? >>



UNIX is a trademark. Last I heard the trademark owner charges buttloads of money for an OS to become an UNIX. I know most free projects out there are not going to pay it. But this might have changed in the past few years, you never know. >>




your talkin out of your a$$, there are so many flavors of UNIX which include FreeBSD, OPendBSD, Soalris, SUnOS, HP-UX, AIX, Linux, etc., and loads of distros on top of them! Irregardless if the term UNIX is copywrighted and people pay to use it, BSD and all the others are absolutely different flavors of UNIX.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<<

<<

<< really? what separates various BSDs from unix? >>



UNIX is a trademark. Last I heard the trademark owner charges buttloads of money for an OS to become an UNIX. I know most free projects out there are not going to pay it. But this might have changed in the past few years, you never know. >>




your talkin out of your a$$, there are so many flavors of UNIX which include FreeBSD, OPendBSD, Soalris, SUnOS, HP-UX, AIX, Linux, etc., and loads of distros on top of them! Irregardless if the term UNIX is copywrighted and people pay to use it, BSD and all the others are absolutely different flavors of UNIX. >>



Look it up. OpenBSD is NOT a UNIX. It says so on their site. Solaris, SunOS, HP-UX and AIX (not positive about the last two) are certified UNIXes. Linux is UNIX-like, OpenBSD is UNIX-like, FreeBSD may be a UNIX, not sure.

 

[ElFenix]

linux is not a unix. i know that one for a fact. its a unix work-alike, and has nothing to do with the work at bell labs that produced "unix."

hell, even dos was designed to be somewhat unix-like (in the RC world we would call it a "stand way off and look over you left shoulder" scale model

 

[stev0]

damn... I hate getting burned in atot, makes me look like a bigger dumbass then I really am.


<< It got started somewhere around 1985, when PC's were using dos 3.3, and apple had a GUI on there macs. Of course, you see how graphic design developed mainly on the mac. Graphic designers have been using them ever since because they became the standard. >>



yes... I suppose, and I suppose that everyone that was doing graphics feels safe and secure on their simple mac and dosen't need to change to a super powered pc. Althought I've never seen any tests (there probably are some), I would like to see a mac that could keep up with these new amd's.

 

[ultimatebob]

<< Apples are good to start on if you're not familiar with working on a computer at all. >>



Wow, I couldn't agree less. Man, that is bad advice.

Learning Mac OS isn't going to teach someone how to do use a computer, it's going to teach you how to learn a Mac! To a new computer user, the interfaces are totally different. So, when they try to use your friends PC, or try to use a PC at work or school, they're going to find that most of their mac skills are useless. Even worse yet, they're going to try things that only work on a Mac, only to find that they don't work. Things like closing windows when they meant to resize them. Or trying to eject a CD by dragging a program icon to the Recycle Bin. Or pressing the Windows key for shortcuts, thinking that it would work like the Apple key.

If you're going to teach someone who is use to computers, teach them system that's used on 90% of the world's computers. Teach them Windows on a PC, and then move to alternative platforms once they know the basics.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Oh, and a slight addition, FreeBSD is not a registered UNIX. So therefore, it falls under the UNIX-like systems category. Too bad Microsoft isnt teaching you how to look for data before just speaking Ameesh

EDIT: And HP-UX does not appear to be on the UNIX 98 list, but it is on the UNIX 95 list

 

[Raspewtin]

"But they are working on a Windows port for the software and whatnot. "


really? cool!

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< "But they are working on a Windows port for the software and whatnot. "


really? cool! >>



Supposedly the next iPOD is supposed to support Winders. Which doesnt matter to me at all

 

That ipod does look cool. I'll give apple that.
Comon' pc compat.

 

[Electrode]

I didn't have the paitence to do more than skim through the thread, but it looks like it's swayed towards discussion of what you can do on a PC that you can't do on a Mac. The thing is, you are talking as if Mac OS is the only OS Macs can run. Why don't you say Windows is the only OS you can use on a PC while you're at it?

The truth is, there is a common denominator between the x86/68k architectures, and that is Linux. Most Linux software you use on a PC can also be used on a Mac, sometimes with little or no modification to the code. Give it a try before you slam the Mac platform because of MacOS's software library.

BTW, I haven't used macs in years, so don't pass this post off as the babblings of a fanboy.

(puts on asbestos suit)

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I didn't have the paitence to do more than skim through the thread, but it looks like it's swayed towards discussion of what you can do on a PC that you can't do on a Mac. The thing is, you are talking as if Mac OS is the only OS Macs can run. Why don't you say Windows is the only OS you can use on a PC while you're at it?

The truth is, there is a common denominator between the x86/68k architectures, and that is Linux. Most Linux software you use on a PC can also be used on a Mac, sometimes with little or no modification to the code. Give it a try before you slam the Mac platform because of MacOS's software library.

BTW, I haven't used macs in years, so don't pass this post off as the babblings of a fanboy.

(puts on asbestos suit) >>



I dont think the G3's and G4's are still using the 68k architecture...

 

[Electrode]

<< I dont think the G3's and G4's are still using the 68k architecture... >>

You might be right, but I thought the PowerPC G4 was like the Pentium 4, a revision of the same old technology. The PPC G4 still uses the 68k architecture, just like the P4 uses the x86 architecture, just with a lot of new instructions.

It is more likely than not, that I am completely wrong. I don't know much about Mac hardware, just that a lot of PC software ends up running on it.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

<< Apples at one time were good for graphic design, i don't believe that crap anymore. PC's are far superior now days. The 80's are over >>



PCs are far superior in graphic design? Really? Let me know how the Windows version of Final Cut Pro is when you get a chance...



<< I dont think the G3's and G4's are still using the 68k architecture... >>



The 68040 was the last 68k processor. Hopefully the upcoming G5 will finally shorten the MHz gap between Apple and Intel/AMD. So far it's looking a promising chip.

 

[n0cmonkey]

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<< I dont think the G3's and G4's are still using the 68k architecture... >>

You might be right, but I thought the PowerPC G4 was like the Pentium 4, a revision of the same old technology. The PPC G4 still uses the 68k architecture, just like the P4 uses the x86 architecture, just with a lot of new instructions.

It is more likely than not, that I am completely wrong. I don't know much about Mac hardware, just that a lot of PC software ends up running on it. >>



Im not sure either, but everytime I see an OS listed that will run on different architectures, 68k and PPC are split up. example. So I think there are more differences than small tricks.

EDIT: This was answered, thanks. PowerMac4Ever and I will laugh at the idea of STILL using a BIOS

 

[BigLance]

<< I used a ihammer on the Mac here at work, it dosent work just fine now >>



LMFAO !

 

[miniMUNCH]

A friend of mine works for Apple as a "Mac Genius" (no kidding, that's whay's on his card)... he has a single G5 system [for beta testing] and a dual AthlonXP system running win2000...he loves computers and doesn't have anything else to spend his money on as of yet...both system apparnetly running Gefore3's...he said that Mac OSX 10.1 on his G5 is at least 2 to as much as 20 times faster than his win2000 athlon system at functions within photoshop, maya, so a few other programs that he rattled off that I can't remember.

Of course, he didn't do anything too fancy...he just opened equivalent files on win and mac and performed the operations and timed them with a stop watch.

 

[IGBT]

I know many former macheads who were heavy graphic types who dumped mac for pc. They got tired of living in a rut and supporting a dead end system. So that's what they tell me. I guess it's like growing up. Sooner or later we all have to do it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

<< I know many former macheads who were heavy graphic types who dumped mac for pc. They got tired of living in a rut and supporting a dead end system. So that's what they tell me. I guess it's like growing up. Sooner or later we all have to do it. >>



And yet, x86 continues to live in the past...

 

[grr8scott]

have both mac and wintel machines at my place, and at my office, anymore, even tho you all argue about it, they are VERY similar. before the change of the font system, and the change of apple's printing system, i had actual beefs with apple's os's, but not now, and yes, OS X rocks, as well as XP in my opinion. Anymore, its kinda like saying, ok, do you want a Ford or a Chevy.... It will all get you to your destination the same, just looks a lil different.

 

[Draco]

<< A friend of mine works for Apple as a "Mac Genius" (no kidding, that's whay's on his card)... he has a single G5 system [for beta testing] and a dual AthlonXP system running win2000...he loves computers and doesn't have anything else to spend his money on as of yet...both system apparnetly running Gefore3's...he said that Mac OSX 10.1 on his G5 is at least 2 to as much as 20 times faster than his win2000 athlon system at functions within photoshop, maya, so a few other programs that he rattled off that I can't remember.

Of course, he didn't do anything too fancy...he just opened equivalent files on win and mac and performed the operations and timed them with a stop watch. >>




This is kinda of off, but I heard the port of Maya to OSX isn't that great. It's all stripped down and doesn't have all the capability and features like the PC version. My friend who uses Maya and 3DMax a lot says it's been kind of disappointing.

 

[guyver01]

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<< correction: OS X isn't unix-like, as is linux, but actually is unix. >>



Any links showing that they got it certified as a UNIX tm? >>



Not really Unix... but a version of FreeBSD... MACWORLD REVIEW

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

i am thinking about getting an G3 and one of those iPods so that I can dance like that white guy in their commercial.

 

[Draco]

<< i am thinking about getting an G3 and one of those iPods so that I can dance like that white guy in their commercial. >>



Your probably kidding, but the scary thing is I've given it actual consideration! I went over to the new Apple store at a mall near my house and that iPod and iBook are just damn cool. OSX looks great. So if they intended to get people buy Mac systems soley for the use of the iPod, it might be working in some cases

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