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What is a scientist?

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: ironwing
Engineer wannabees who couldn't hack the math.
What about physicists, specifically astrophysicists?

They get to look down on "soft" scientists and engineers.

xkcd to the rescue again...

Which is odd as math isn't science.

It doesn't say it is. Lol at the hover text/title for the comic 😀
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: ironwing
Engineer wannabees who couldn't hack the math.
What about physicists, specifically astrophysicists?

They get to look down on "soft" scientists and engineers.

xkcd to the rescue again...

Which is odd as math isn't science.

Uh, yes it is.

It's like asking whether source code counts as a program. Math is the source code for the physical universe, and physics is the compiled program in which everything else runs.

*Note: that may be a crappy analogy, as I know next to nothing about programming except for basic C++. Lol.
 
PhD. Done.

Engineer can be PhD too but the scientists we have are in the R&D lab. Many of them are socially awkward but we let them do their own thing. It's kinda a challenge when you see them working on characterization tools and we engineers run in with production issues that need to be resolved and need to borrow equipment, but you see the scientists there sitting and investigating, spending the whole day. Sometimes you just gotta kick them off because manufacturing = revenue and time is money.

But they're useful. Sometimes you really need to understand WHY our production tools aren't behaving the way we want them to, and as an engineer you can come up with reasons that can be solved by engineering solutions, but at other times you need to know the concepts and what helps you get to what you need. This is why I sometimes have to talk to the scientists.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: ironwing
Engineer wannabees who couldn't hack the math.
What about physicists, specifically astrophysicists?

They get to look down on "soft" scientists and engineers.

xkcd to the rescue again...

Which is odd as math isn't science.

Uh, yes it is.

Is not. 😛
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: ironwing
Engineer wannabees who couldn't hack the math.
What about physicists, specifically astrophysicists?

They get to look down on "soft" scientists and engineers.

xkcd to the rescue again...

Which is odd as math isn't science.

Uh, yes it is.

Is not. 😛

By a strict definition, it is, though we don't typically think of it that way because experiments are more thought experiments, and results are achieved through proofs, not physical experimentation.

"Mathematics is the science and study of quantity, structure, space, and change. Mathematicians seek out patterns,[2][3] formulate new conjectures, and establish truth by rigorous deduction from appropriately chosen axioms and definitions.[4]" Wikipedia
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Math is the source code for the physical universe, and physics is the compiled program in which everything else runs.

That is nice poetry but has no basis in fact. The universe really doesn't care that humans developed a useful tool to help describe it.
 
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: Crono
Someone who investigates the natural order and processes of the physical universe.

And uses the Scientific Method in doing so, as opposed to, say, reading the Bible and drawing conclusions from that.

Bible is not a science book.

Good science, however, relies on the scientific method and draws conclusions only from observable and testable phenomenon. Bad/false science occurs when people try and use scientific facts and project them into untestable/unobservable situations where science doesn't belong, anyway. Science has its place, but not as the sole determinant in philosophical, religious, political, economic, or historical considerations. Science is a good tool, but only when properly applied.

I agree with you. One of my pet peeves is when people present statements, quotes, and inferences from the Bible (and other religious sources) as fact.
 
Originally posted by: darkxshade
A scientist is a follower of scientology like a christian is a follower of christianity.

Lol. Stupid scientology ruins/takes advantage of name of science like false christian groups do Christ.

 
Originally posted by: Crono
Originally posted by: darkxshade
A scientist is a follower of scientology like a christian is a follower of christianity.

Lol. Stupid scientology ruins/takes advantage of name of science like false christian groups do Christ.

Christian Science?

I'll give you Christian Science:

(Rib bone of Adam) + O2 --> (God as catalyst) --> Eve
 
Originally posted by: Kadarin
I agree with you. One of my pet peeves is when people present statements, quotes, and inferences from the Bible (and other religious sources) as fact.
Well, lots of people seem to disagree on this sort of thing. Is the Bible literal, or is it subject to interpretation? And if it's the latter, then whose interpretation is right? Lots of people know exactly what it is that God wants for us - problem is, few of them can seem to agree.


Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: Crono
Math is the source code for the physical universe, and physics is the compiled program in which everything else runs.

That is nice poetry but has no basis in fact. The universe really doesn't care that humans developed a useful tool to help describe it.
It was perhaps worded incorrectly.
Math is our way of describing the source code for this Universe.


 
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