What is a livable wage and should Government be responsible?

[Veliko]

I really hate repeating myself, but... how do you plan to force the "evil" corporations and executives to accept lower pay and profits?

Are you just going to squeeze your fists and eyes closed, real right, and make a wish? Or, do you have something much more totalitarian in mind?

This should be good...

I believe I covered that when I said this:

Given that history has shown, time and time again, that when that gap gets too large the poor decide that enough is enough and start chopping off rich people's heads.

So, suggesting that CEOs and businesses accept lower profits is actually in the best interests of everyone. The Steve Jobs wannabes can either do it willingly, or they can wait until the shit hits in the fan in 5/10/20 years - which it will - when people are setting fire to their houses and ransacking their bank accounts.

 

[BoberFett]

Good grief.

So when the wealthy do something, you blame the government.

When the government do something, who do you blame?

Who chooses to bail out the wealthy with taxpayer money? It sure as hell wasn't me. If it wasn't me, and it wasn't the government, then it was you. Way to go asshole, thanks for bailing out the wealthy.

 

[Veliko]

Who chooses to bail out the wealthy with taxpayer money? It sure as hell wasn't me. If it wasn't me, and it wasn't the government, then it was you. Way to go asshole, thanks for bailing out the wealthy.

And there we have it.

'Personal responsibility' doesn't seem to apply to wealthy people.

 

[BoberFett]

And there we have it.

'Personal responsibility' doesn't seem to apply to wealthy people.

No, it doesn't. Because of goverment.

 

[Veliko]

No, it doesn't. Because of goverment.

The government is to blame for you not holding the wealthy people responsible for the things that they themselves did...?

 

[palehorse]

The government is to blame for you not holding the wealthy people responsible for the things that they themselves did...?

Are you suggesting that we all run out and set their houses on fire?

 

[Veliko]

Are you suggesting that we all run out and set their houses on fire?

Lets' try this again:

Given that history has shown, time and time again, that when that gap gets too large the poor decide that enough is enough and start chopping off rich people's heads.

Given that history has shown, time and time again, that when that gap gets too large the poor decide that enough is enough.

Given that history has shown, time and time again,

Given that history has shown

I'm suggesting that if they don't start sharing the wealth, then history is going to repeat itself.

Again.

 

[buckshot24]

The government is to blame for you not holding the wealthy people responsible for the things that they themselves did...?

I certainly didn't decide to bail out the banks. It was government meddling.

 

[buckshot24]

I'm suggesting that if they don't start sharing the wealth, then history is going to repeat itself.

Again.

The poor in the USA have plasma tv's, PS3s, Jordan shoes, cars. We are sharing the wealth, open your eyes. Would you like to compare the poor in this country vs Cuba? Lawyers make $30 a month and an allotment of rice, beans, coffee and powdered milk. Taxi drivers make more than doctors. Some of the "poor" here send money there to their families. Are the poor in China better off than in this country? Were the poor in the USSR better off? Capitalism creates the best lives for the "poor" over any other system. If we were more capitalistic the poor would be better off. The more socialistic we get the worse the poor will have it.

History will not "repeat itself". There, my assertion is just as valid as yours.

 

[Veliko]

The poor in the USA have plasma tv's, PS3s, Jordan shoes, cars. We are sharing the wealth, open your eyes. Would you like to compare the poor in this country vs Cuba? Lawyers make $30 a month and an allotment of rice, beans, coffee and powdered milk. Taxi drivers make more than doctors. Some of the "poor" here send money there to their families. Are the poor in China better off than in this country? Were the poor in the USSR better off? Capitalism creates the best lives for the "poor" over any other system. If we were more capitalistic the poor would be better off. The more socialistic we get the worse the poor will have it.

'Poor' is relative to the standards of the society that you live in, hence the talk about the wealth gap.

A poor person in the US is not going to compare themselves to someone living in Cuba, any more than Bill Gates would.

You talk about capitalism and socialism, yet you don't even seem to understand what they mean.

 

[nextJin]

'Poor' is relative to the standards of the society that you live in, hence the talk about the wealth gap.

A poor person in the US is not going to compare themselves to someone living in Cuba, any more than Bill Gates would.

You talk about capitalism and socialism, yet you don't even seem to understand what they mean.

Have you moved to the US to know what living in America means?

 

[Veliko]

Have you moved to the US to know what living in America means?

America is a big place.

Your question is as daft as asking "Have you moved to Europe to know what living in the EU means?

 

[nextJin]

America is a big place.

Your question is as daft as asking "Have you moved to Europe to know what living in the EU means?

Does every post I make demonize Europe? No, you on the other hand make it a point to post the same bullshit when you don't even have a say in much of anything.

 

[Veliko]

Does every post I make demonize Europe? No, you on the other hand make it a point to post the same bullshit when you don't even have a say in much of anything.

At what point did I suggest that you were demonising Europe?

I was merely pointing out the flaw in the question that you were asking.

 

[nextJin]

At what point did I suggest that you were demonising Europe?

I was merely pointing out the flaw in the question that you were asking.

And I was pointing out the stupidity of your constant hate of Americans that make more than 30,000 USD a year. The brutal fact of the matter is that America is the most powerful country on this earth because of capitalism. Our poor live like kings compared to most other countries and the opportunites that our citizens have vastly outnumber those of any other country if they choose to take advantage of it.

 

[Veliko]

And I was pointing out the stupidity of your constant hate of Americans that make more than 30,000 USD a year. The brutal fact of the matter is that America is the most powerful country on this earth because of capitalism. Our poor live like kings compared to most other countries and the opportunites that our citizens have vastly outnumber those of any other country if they choose to take advantage of it.

...this is a quote from an article in The Onion, right?

 

[buckshot24]

'Poor' is relative to the standards of the society that you live in, hence the talk about the wealth gap.

A poor person in the US is not going to compare themselves to someone living in Cuba, any more than Bill Gates would.

The point is that the "poor" here aren't as bad off as you're trying to make it. Pushing more towards a socialistic economy isn't going to make it any better, the closer we get to a Cuba system the worse off the poor will be.

Here's another point people like you don't get. The more you reward not working the more not working you get. The more you diminish the reward of working hard the less working hard you get. You want to reward people for not having any job skills, guess what will happen? The more unskilled workers we get.

 

[buckshot24]

America is a big place.

Your question is as daft as asking "Have you moved to Europe to know what living in the EU means?

What a pompous prick. You're clueless.

 

[1prophet]

'Poor' is relative to the standards of the society that you live in, hence the talk about the wealth gap.

A poor person in the US is not going to compare themselves to someone living in Cuba, any more than Bill Gates would.

You talk about capitalism and socialism, yet you don't even seem to understand what they mean.

Human beings have the same requirements wherever you go,

clean water, clean air, healthy nutritious food, clean dry safe shelter, clean clothes, and access to medical care for prevention and medical problems.

once those basic needs are met and the struggle to meet them daily ends, one can work on other things, but poverty is not one of them.

 

[ivwshane]

The point is that the "poor" here aren't as bad off as you're trying to make it. Pushing more towards a socialistic economy isn't going to make it any better, the closer we get to a Cuba system the worse off the poor will be.

Here's another point people like you don't get. The more you reward not working the more not working you get. The more you diminish the reward of working hard the less working hard you get. You want to reward people for not having any job skills, guess what will happen? The more unskilled workers we get.

There you go again! Comparing the poor in this country to third world countries. Why do you hate poor Americans? Why don't you use the same logic when comparing rich Americans to rich Cubans? They have it infinitely better do they not?

 

[buckshot24]

There you go again! Comparing the poor in this country to third world countries. Why do you hate poor Americans? Why don't you use the same logic when comparing rich Americans to rich Cubans? They have it infinitely better do they not?

Would you like our rich to be less rich and our poor to be poorer? That is what your ideas will produce.

 

[Veliko]

Would you like our rich to be less rich and our poor to be poorer? That is what your ideas will produce.

It's like listening to a propaganda piece from the 1950s.

 

[Veliko]

The point is that the "poor" here aren't as bad off as you're trying to make it. Pushing more towards a socialistic economy isn't going to make it any better, the closer we get to a Cuba system the worse off the poor will be.

Here's another point people like you don't get. The more you reward not working the more not working you get. The more you diminish the reward of working hard the less working hard you get. You want to reward people for not having any job skills, guess what will happen? The more unskilled workers we get.

You don't seem to realise the difference between absolute poverty and relative poverty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_poverty#Relative_poverty

In 1776 Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations argued that poverty is the inability to afford, "not only the commodities which are indispensably necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without."[52][53]
In 1958 J. K. Galbraith argued that, "People are poverty stricken when their income, even if adequate for survival, falls markedly behind that of their community."[53][54]
In 1964 in a joint committee economic President's report in the United States, Republicans endorsed the concept of relative poverty. ”No objective definition of poverty exists... The definition varies from place to place and time to time. In America as our standard of living rises, so does our idea of what is substandard."[53][55]
In 1965 Rose Friedman argued for the use of relative poverty claiming that the definition of poverty changes with general living standards. Those labelled as poor in 1995, would have had "a higher standard of living than many labelled not poor" in 1965.[53][56]
In 1979, British sociologist, Peter Townsend published his famous definition, "individuals [...] can be said to be in poverty when they lack the resources to obtain the types of diet, participate in the activities and have the living conditions and amenities which are customary, or are at least widely encouraged or approved, in the societies to which they belong (page 31)."[57]

 

[alkemyst]

A livable wage should be one where if they banded with 4 to 6 others all co-habituating that they can eat and have just the necessities. No iPhones, no tattoos, no custom wheels, no sneakers $100+, etc.

 

[palehorse]

It's like listening to a propaganda piece from the 1950s.

If you're referring to the anti-Communist propaganda, then you're damn right.