What if there was no God?

[witeken]

You just contradicted yourself

No, my opinions are simply based on the evidence of reality.

There's no evidence that suggests god exists, so it's the most compelling, reasonable, easy, sensible conclusion. That makes it obvious to see that god doesn't exist.

But maybe the answer isn't obvious or I'm wrong, then you make me aware of my mistakes and I'll change my opinion.

You aren't getting what I'm saying at all. This isn't some college debate or petty internet argument. This is the single most important thing in life, the most life changing realization you can possibly have... I don't have to prove anything. I don't have to convince you that God exists... the question is "What if?" And it's up to YOU to answer that and if the best you can do is completely disregard the question like you have so far then you do yourself a disservice.

So you just randomly enter this topic, think that it's enough to say that god exists, and leave? In any case, my conclusion about god's existence is different than yours. Not because I didn't realize something or didn't answer it for myself.

I hope you realize that we live in the same universe right? So we shouldn't come to different answers, they should not depend on who you are or who answered the question. So you shouldn't think that god exists because you like the idea.

So if you think yo know something about the universe that other people hadn't thought of, you should share it with us instead and explain your position, because else we just have to blindly believe you.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

This is the single most important thing in life, the most life changing realization you can possibly have...

No, it isn't. The single most important thing in life is realizing that my toaster is actually Mel Gibson.

Of course, I don't have to prove that. It's still true. You better start figuring it out.

 

[ThinClient]

Evolutionary theory has nothing to do with creation. It only has to do with what happened AFTER life began.

So where's your evidence against abiogenesis?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

^where's your evidence for it?

 

[ThinClient]

^where's your evidence for it?

My follow up was waiting for some religiotard to answer so that I can turn the evidence table around. Religiotards often demand evidence to disprove their religion, so why can't I use their argument against them to demand evidence to disprove abiogenesis or panspermia or other valid hypothesis?

 

[MongGrel]

 

[sandorski]

:biggrin:

 

[Dr. Zaus]

My follow up was waiting for some religiotard to answer so that I can turn the evidence table around. Religiotards often demand evidence to disprove their religion, so why can't I use their argument against them to demand evidence to disprove abiogenesis or panspermia or other valid hypothesis?

Oh. I was just scientifically interested.

 

[ThinClient]

Oh. I was just scientifically interested.

Me too, about the origins of life

 

[alzan]

No, it isn't. The single most important thing in life is realizing that my toaster is actually Mel Gibson.

Of course, I don't have to prove that. It's still true. You better start figuring it out.

You should keep Mel away from nehalem256; the boy definitely has a thing for bread-heating appliances.

 

[moonbogg]

The way I see it, whatever the most fundamental, irreducible thing in existence is, I can choose to call that God or not. But whatever that thing is, it exists. If its a combination of things and its really confusing, that's fine. If that's the most simple and fundamental state of things that everything else springs out of, then that's what it is and its nothing else. Whatever the most fundamental state is, that would be God if there ever was one.

 

[witeken]

^where's your evidence for it?

When Newton stumbled upon some problem that he couldn't solve (but he certainly could have figured it out if he had tried) his explanation was that only God could have done it.

Guess what Laplace did some 100 years later.

No problem where god's been proposed has ever been left unanswered or did we need to use supernatural explanations so far, so why wouldn't it work here.

 

[witeken]

For what it's worth, I've just finished writing a 15.000 word article, a week's worth of work, extensively explaining (you might use the word proving) why god doesn't exist. Maybe I'll even publish it some day.

 

[disappoint]

When Newton stumbled upon some problem that he couldn't solve (but he certainly could have figured it out if he had tried) his explanation was that only God could have done it.

Guess what Laplace did some 100 years later.

Therefore Laplace is God. End thread. Go home kids.

 

[disappoint]

For what it's worth, I've just finished writing a 15.000 word article, a week's worth of work, extensively explaining (you might use the word proving) why god doesn't exist. Maybe I'll even publish it some day.

Only 15.000? You probably forgot to include a lot of stuff.

 

[piasabird]

Most crazy people write something wild before they go on a killing spree. God does not care if you choose not to believe in him. God only helps people that believe in him. This does not mean the God will not offer his gifts to all men. Men just choose to separate themselves from the presence of God. God gave all men the freedom of choice.

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

 

[sandorski]

Most crazy people write something wild before they go on a killing spree. God does not care if you choose not to believe in him. God only helps people that believe in him. This does not mean the God will not offer his gifts to all men. Men just choose to separate themselves from the presence of God. God gave all men the freedom of choice.

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

Really? In what way?

 

[witeken]

Only 15.000? You probably forgot to include a lot of stuff.

Maybe, although I think it's long enough. I've just explained what I find most important, and not much more, like debunking those theistic arguments like the Ontological one. I actually haven't read any books about atheism like Dawkin's The God Delusion.

 

[witeken]

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

I don't have a purpose, which is still better than deluding yourself with ancient stories.

 

[OverVolt]

What if what you call green was actually what somebody else saw as their blue and so thats why nobody agrees on similar color patterns.

 

[soulcougher73]

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

Not this again. What is it with thiests that the think the only reason to have a purpose in life is because of a god? We've given many reasons multiple times in various threads when this junk comes up. I actually find it more sad you only have 1 purpose apparently.

 

[witeken]

Sometime's some person says aliens won't care about us because they'll be so many times more advanced than us (if they could visit us) so they wouldn't bother. Now imagine what an alien would think about us who is an infinite times more powerful and knowledgeable than us! Would that alien be bothered enough to pay attention to us, let alone be the purpose of our lives?

 

[IronWing]

What if what you call green was actually what somebody else saw as their blue and so thats why nobody agrees on similar color patterns.

While there seems to be broad agreement on color identification, I have to think that no two people actually identify the same colors in precisely the same terms. My solid, perfect green might be a bit too yellow for someone else. Hence Munsell color charts.

 

[JD50]

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

Do you understand how ridiculous this question is and what it implies about you and other theists?

 

[ThinClient]

Most crazy people write something wild before they go on a killing spree. God does not care if you choose not to believe in him. God only helps people that believe in him. This does not mean the God will not offer his gifts to all men. Men just choose to separate themselves from the presence of God. God gave all men the freedom of choice.

Lets say you choose not to believe in God. What is your purpose for living?

So, all this time I've spent looking for god and not finding him is me secretly choosing not to find him? Man, being rational and reasonable and logical must be the wrong way to go about looking for god.