What happens when entitlements are cut?

[CPA]

somebody must decide not to support the life of someone else.

What? That makes no sense.

 

[JSt0rm]

What? That makes no sense.

It wouldnt make any sense if we lived in total anarchy but we live in a modern society. People dont just starve to death. Well I would think the goal is to not have people starve to death.

 

[OutHouse]

Hmmmm......social welfare or corporate welfare.

I wonder what the Bush administration chose, and what the result of that was. Especially the part where he sends our troops off to war while he's trying really hard to severely cut back the very veteran's health benefits of those that he previously sent to Iraq, to help pay for the wars he started which created ever more veterans with physical and mental handicaps.

Not to mention the millions of jobs lost, the financial crisis that caused it and the resultant need to increase unemployment payouts and other entitlements because of the failed neocon ideology that rewarded the rich only of which Bush pursued with glee.

The little prick, via the people who voted for him, by his own accord created a vastly increased need for social services but refused to pay for it per the conservative ideology of trickle down economics.

Yeah, that worked out really well.

And here we are complaining how badly Obama is doing while completely ignoring how worse things could have been had he not directed resources where he did to fix what the repubs broke.

wrong thread? WTF does bush/gulf war/financial crisis/unemployment/entitlements in the US/Neocon ideology/Obama/Republicans have to do with a fat man in England???

 

[JSt0rm]

WTF does bush/gulf war/financial crisis/unemployment/entitlements in the US/Neocon ideology/Obama/Republicans have to do with a fat man in England???

I havent a clue but what you just wrote sounds like the plot of a suspense thriller

 

[OutHouse]

I havent a clue but what you just wrote sounds like the plot of a suspense thriller

lol it kinda does.

 

[highland145]

As I said if you don't see mental issues as medical then we really cant discuss anything after that dividing point.

Mental issues are medical. But....

I challenge YOU to find ONE person that is bedridden because of obesity WITHOUT ENABLES.

Impossible.


His mind did not bring 20,000 calories into the house nor did they wipe his ass while they were doing it.

Also, his mental issues didn't call a lawyer. (back to my link)

 

[JSt0rm]

So I posted in the health sub forum and this is the response from the main man over there.

Yep, research has shown that viral infections can promote obesity, much like other viruses have shown to lead to cancer. It's pretty weird to think that you can catch an increased risk for obesity, but it's been shown pretty frequently. On top of that, genetics dictate your ability to waste calories as heat. Initially, this was a negative trait since wasting a food source that was sparse would lead to starvation. However, nowadays, it's actually viewed as a good thing, keeping people thin.

To a certain extent, especially in America, lack of movement and over-eating do play a role. The problem is that people spotlight those as the only causes, which is completely unfair. That's like saying you got cancer from drinking a can of diet coke. Sure, it probably exacerbated the problem, but the genetic and environmental factors that are meant to stop that process did not. Obesity is a multifactorial issue, but is by no means ONLY caused by laziness.

So what now?

 

[Zebo]

It's all bullshit. Funny you used to see no fatties in Arabia before oil money - they were all tall and thin. Native Americans, who have a so-called propensity for fatness, however in old pictures they are all thin. Today in poor places like Ethiopia or Somalia all are thin. Guess they are immune to the fat virus.

No I'm afraid high levels of fatness come with high income levels of nations which lends itself to overeating and not exercising. Also climate control plays a role since your body has to not work as hard to maintain constant temperatures if it's 70F ambient all the time.

No one wants to face reality and makes shit up. Who wants to eat 70% caloric intake from veggies and run an hour a day? Who wants to sleep in their home on a 95F humid Alabama night? No one. So they make excuses.

I get a little tired of it. First of all I went fat after college. Basically my routine was eating out every meal, beer bars with fellow employees after work, lots of ice cream, ribs and high calorie food. I sat in an office or laid around on couch when not stuffing my face. When I graduated HS I was a ripped 230ish and blew up to 320 in 8 years. Still didn't look huge because I'm tall and naturally muscular but I was headed for early death. Resting HR of 90 etc. Anyway I had a son and my life pretty much changed. Started eating right (no fun) started walking everyday (no fun) eventually after 2 months was running (no fun) and got back down to HS weight. It's murder everyday. Never has changed for me. It's always hard even though I feel good afterward. I got so many pains to deal with old athletic injuries and accidents. So many excuses to overcome like too hot, it's raining, too cold - basically I have a million why I can't but I do it anyway for benefits received. That's why I hate excuses and fat people who make them. I know how hard its been and to tell me it can't be done just makes me rage. It's like someone telling you you are lucky they are not when it was murderous hard work to get there. I know it's complete lack of will power and nothing else.

I don't mind fat people who say Big and beautiful what of it at least they are straight shooting and not in denial. (well mostly)

 

[highland145]

So I posted in the health sub forum and this is the response from the main man over there.



So what now?

H&F is lucky to have S.C. and others with their willingness to share their knowledge.

You ask "So what now?" Respond to my previous post with something other than "well,well, well S.C. said."

20,000 calories, WTH.

 

[Mursilis]

It wouldnt make any sense if we lived in total anarchy but we live in a modern society. People dont just starve to death. Well I would think the goal is to not have people starve to death.

The goal to me is to discourage dependency. What was it JFK said? "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." People choosing to starve to death are merely exercising free will. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

[rudder]

Free market's gonna take care of him.

He will have to pay more for his healthcare and have less money for food... he will lose weight and be able to wipe his own butt.

 

[Phokus]

"What happens when entitlements are cut?"

The whining from the "Gubmint better not touch my Medicare!" tea party contingent will be absolutely nauseating, that's for sure.