What happened to Music???

[ch33zw1z]

I know I was comparing two different genres of music. That wasn't the point. Today's popular music has gotten soft. Record labels are afraid to take chances anymore.

Could an act like NWA survive in today's climate?

This just in, change the fucking pop music channel to off. Put in your own music selection.

 

[GTaudiophile]

You all need to watch the Sound City documentary.

 

[marvdmartian]

My generation: Aerosmith, Bob Seger, Bon Jovi, Boston, CCR, Chicago, Cheap Trick, the Doors, the Eagles, the Eurythmics, Fleetwood Mac, Foreigner, Genesis, Harry Chapin, Heart, Jackson Browne, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Jim Croce, Joan Jett, Journey, KISS, Kool and the Gang, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Meatloaf, Peter Gabriel, the Police, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Simon & Garfunkel, the Beatles, the Cars, the Mamas and the Papas, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, ZZ Top.....and a whole shitload more, that I haven't listed.

What exactly was your point again, OP??

 

[schmuckley]

My generation: Aerosmith, Bob Seger, Bon Jovi, Boston, CCR, Chicago, Cheap Trick, the Doors, the Eagles, the Eurythmics, Fleetwood Mac, Foreigner, Genesis, Harry Chapin, Heart, Jackson Browne, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Jim Croce, Joan Jett, Journey, KISS, Kool and the Gang, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Meatloaf, Peter Gabriel, the Police, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Simon & Garfunkel, the Beatles, the Cars, the Mamas and the Papas, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, ZZ Top.....and a whole shitload more, that I haven't listed.

What exactly was your point again, OP??

There aren't that many choices nowadays.

 

[IronWing]

My generation: Aerosmith, Bob Seger, Bon Jovi, Boston, CCR, Chicago, Cheap Trick, the Doors, the Eagles, the Eurythmics, Fleetwood Mac, Foreigner, Genesis, Harry Chapin, Heart, Jackson Browne, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Jim Croce, Joan Jett, Journey, KISS, Kool and the Gang, Led Zeppelin, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Meatloaf, Peter Gabriel, the Police, Queen, REO Speedwagon, Simon & Garfunkel, the Beatles, the Cars, the Mamas and the Papas, Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, ZZ Top.....and a whole shitload more, that I haven't listed.

What exactly was your point again, OP??

Like I said, every generation has good stuff and crappy stuff. Also, you're listing groups that span four decades.

 

[db]

:thumbsup:

If you want good music, don't listen to radio, MTV, VH1, BET, etc.

True. That will mostly all be pre-digested, formulated, "safe" music designed and promoted by a corporation for one thing: to appeal to the most people with safe music in order to make as much money as possible.

Most of us grew up listening to popular-sourced and marketed music, so anything outside that system, by comparison, sounds "different" and is judged unacceptable b/c it isn't the same as what we are used to.

There is so much great music out there that most people will never be able to enjoy because they will never hear it or because they are unwilling to listen without prejudgment.

Focusing on what is not acceptable is a waste of your time.
Instead, wisely spend your time finding music that brings you pleasure.

 

[Ns1]

You all need to watch the Sound City documentary.

loved it so much i watched it twice. amazing what happens when you get a buncha talented musicians in the same room.

was sad to hear the cofounder of fleetwood mac diagnosed with cancer today; canceled remaining world tour dates.

 

[Engineer]

Gangsta rap isn't a big genre anymore for a lot of reasons.

Yea, went from popping pigs to popping tags...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes

 

[thecoolnessrune]

It's funny because we have 1 of these threads pretty much every month. A bunch of utterly biased, and illogical people (on a forum swearing by the spock way of life) state how music was better in the old days, yada yada, so on, and so shit, and then someone posts the well-reasoned and accurate studies showing that pop music hasn't changed in the slightest in all the generations people are saying "produced the best music ever".

Those same illogical people then deny it, throw more crappy logic, and then the thread dies and we get another one where we have this same discussion again ad-nauseum.

And the world keeps spinning.

 

[DaveSimmons]

"Why not both?" (littlegirl.jpg)

Nina Gordon - Straight Outta Compton (NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2EGOB9-lc

 

[rbV5]

Watched "Bachman & Turner - Takin' Care Of Business (Live At The Roseland Ballroom NYC) on AXSTV today from 11/2010.

What a great show!

 

[KlokWyze]

So I think the question is: Who are the "greats" of right now that will be looked back on 20 years from now?

 

[ch33zw1z]

So I think the question is: Who are the "greats" of right now that will be looked back on 20 years from now?

20 years from now, I'll be telling my kids: Yea, but Katy Perry had an epic rack.

 

[marvdmartian]

Like I said, every generation has good stuff and crappy stuff. Also, you're listing groups that span four decades.

By "span four decades", I take it you mean from the time they began playing, to the time they stopped (or the group broke up)??

For the most part, we're looking at the 60's, 70's & 80's there, which encompasses from the time I was born, through my 20's. I won't say that I don't ever listen to any new artists, but I will say that the vast majority of my musical interests are from that era. Once bands like Guns 'N Roses, or the grunge bands of the 90's came out, I lost interest in what was labeled "rock" music.

What kills me now is hearing those late 80's/90's bands on "classic rock" stations!

 

[BoomerD]

I've asked that question ever since disco hit the music scene...and have not gotten a sensible answer.

 

[dank69]

I've asked that question ever since disco hit the music scene...and have not gotten a sensible answer.

I'm sure your parents asked a similar question when you were a teenager fashioning your first club so you could catch a mate, and I'm sure you thought your parents were lame for asking it.

 

[Fritzo]

The OP gave a terrible example, but yes, there is a big problem with music, and it's not just a "my generation is better than your generation" thing.

Automation and technology are taking the talent out of music. With software, computers, and the Internet, literally anyone can create music, and when the channels get flooded with mediocre and amateur attempts, all of the true talent gets drowned out.

Artists that wrote song lyrics used to be poets. You could read lyrics and it would point an image in your head or tell a story. Musicians were the top of their game. They could often play multiple instruments, would employ layers of tracks to make thick, contrasting sounds, and create hooks that would stick in your head for decades. Producers would come up with arrangements that made you pay attention and want to hear more.

Today, you have "artists" making music that actually don't know anything about music. They don't know what a key is, what a 5/8 beat means, and often instruments are computer generated. Singers voices can even be auto-tuned, so singing isn't necessary- you just have to look good and be marketable. Live shows are now playing pre-recorded music so the performers can dance around like their on Broadway.

All of this, my friends, is why we haven't had much quality music in the last 15 years. The industry has been cheapened and lost its respect due to all the shortcuts taken.

 

[JM Aggie08]

You're listening to the wrong shit, you doink.

 

[darkewaffle]

Keep trollin trollin trollin trollin' come on!

 

[dank69]

The OP gave a terrible example, but yes, there is a big problem with music, and it's not just a "my generation is better than your generation" thing.

Automation and technology are taking the talent out of music. With software, computers, and the Internet, literally anyone can create music, and when the channels get flooded with mediocre and amateur attempts, all of the true talent gets drowned out.

Artists that wrote song lyrics used to be poets. You could read lyrics and it would point an image in your head or tell a story. Musicians were the top of their game. They could often play multiple instruments, would employ layers of tracks to make thick, contrasting sounds, and create hooks that would stick in your head for decades. Producers would come up with arrangements that made you pay attention and want to hear more.

Today, you have "artists" making music that actually don't know anything about music. They don't know what a key is, what a 5/8 beat means, and often instruments are computer generated. Singers voices can even be auto-tuned, so singing isn't necessary- you just have to look good and be marketable. Live shows are now playing pre-recorded music so the performers can dance around like their on Broadway.

All of this, my friends, is why we haven't had much quality music in the last 15 years. The industry has been cheapened and lost its respect due to all the shortcuts taken.

Technology increases the chances that someone with talent will be able to produce and distribute their creations. Sure it means there is more shit to wade through to find good stuff, but logically it follows that music will always get better. It isn't something that will or has already peaked. Maybe mainstream music has peaks and valleys, but that isn't the sole indicator of the overall state.

 

[Kaido]

LOL

Oh boy. Can't believe you compared NWA to Justin Bieber. Two different Genre's...


You should like...compare Sophie B. Hawkin's "Dang, I wish I was your lover" to Rihanna's "Rude Boy"....

http://i.imgur.com/wlLMX.jpg

:biggrin:

 

[Kaido]

Today, you have "artists" making music that actually don't know anything about music. They don't know what a key is, what a 5/8 beat means, and often instruments are computer generated. Singers voices can even be auto-tuned, so singing isn't necessary- you just have to look good and be marketable. Live shows are now playing pre-recorded music so the performers can dance around like their on Broadway.

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUUznAjKTh8

And why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irk3_p15RJY

 

[darkewaffle]

So I think the question is: Who are the "greats" of right now that will be looked back on 20 years from now?

The Roots, Beck, Danger Mouse, Interpol, M.I.A, The Streets, LCD Soundsystem, Diplo, Mars Volta, Martyn Bennett, Sage Francis, The Hives, Killer Mike, Bad Religion, The Cool Kids are among those I consider to be the greatest in a critical/objective sense. Unsurprisingly many of them have had limited commercial success, won't play on the radio [much], and are probably mostly foreign to many of the same people who would complain that there's no good music today. At the same time, many of today's acts simply perform in genres that just don't 'reach' older listeners (both physically and critically), just like rock and roll fifty years ago.

Though there's plenty of room 'up there' for the likes of Justin Timberlake, Adele, Andrea Bocelli, Coldplay, Outkast, Kanye, Eminem, Jay-Z, The White Stripes and others who have achieved both large scale popularity and [generally] critical acclaim.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I would like to add that there are many amazing artists out there producing amazing music. The good (and bad thing) about them is that they are fringe. Just avoid mass-market crap designed for the 10-25 age market.

Andrew Bird is perhaps one of the greatest artists of all time and he is alive and well producing music. Case in point is his KEXP live performance.

 

[FallenHero]

Like I said, every generation has good stuff and crappy stuff. Also, you're listing groups that keep playing their hits over and over again for four decades thinking that they still look 20 when they are actually over 9000 years old and look and sound like crap.

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