What grade would you give Dubya?

[Rage1881]

see it goes back to israel and oil... the main reasons for going to iraq.... then when they didnt find any wmds..... well there slogan changed... to the liberizaion of iraq... forgetting all about what wasnt even there in the first place..However the gop justifies going... is there perogative americans picked the douche now they have to live with the douche like decesions all the time

who are these "sources" u speak off..who the are the people saying these links exist what are there names from within there organization.. those arent very trust worthy sources.... unless u show me some names of the people involved

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting how all of the "links" to terrorism were brought forth only before the invasion... now that we have unlimited access to all the Iraqi archived records and full run of the place, along with a bunch of former Baathists, Taliban and Al Qaeda dying to get out of confinement, the Bush Admin has set their propaganda sails in another direction, in the direction of "freeing the Iraqi people". Which means, naturally, that they've got nothing but the same suspicion and innuendo used to justify invasion in the first place... No "Links"... No WMD's... nada, zip, zilch, nothing...

If they did, they'd have put this whole controversy to rest long ago, rather than leaving their beleaguered supporters waving the same worn out bits of moldy tripe on the tips of their spears... Give it up- even the flies aren't going for it anymore...

 

[Rage1881]

exactly my point

people tend to forget how the whole middle easter conflict started and what it was about.... the oil and israel. terrorist call americans terrorist because americans have had there noses burried in the middle east for the longest time.. interfering with there business goverment..... have cost countless lives with the wars they have bankrolled... if u deal with tyrants what do expect is gonna happend... if u give tyrants wmds what do u think is gonna happen....bushes dad did it... bush is doing it... regan did it.... not to mention the bush family business they do with the saudis.. a place known to harbour terrorists... lol well u elected him if u can live with his lies and immoral actions then so beit.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: zendari


Sure. Some of the left still hasn't gotten over 2000.

America will NEVER get over 2000.

And what would you know about voting anyway, Zendari? You weren't even old enough to vote in 2000. :roll:

OR 2004.

:laugh:

 

[SSlivkoff]

Im in a good mood so Ill give him a D

 

[Rage1881]

he gets an F

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: zendari


Sure. Some of the left still hasn't gotten over 2000.

America will NEVER get over 2000.

And what would you know about voting anyway, Zendari? You weren't even old enough to vote in 2000. :roll:

OR 2004.

:laugh:

Nope, I turned 18 last October.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

One can only hope in time, with age will come wisdom.

 

[CreativeTom]

Poor Dubya....not doing so well are ya champ.

thank god I didn't vote for him.....lol

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
One can only hope in time, with age will come wisdom.

One can hope. It didn't happen with you unfortunately.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You don't even know me, don't judge, lest ye be judged. I can at least admit mistakes and learn from them. Unlike the smacktard in the whitehouse.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
You don't even know me, don't judge, lest ye be judged. I can at least admit mistakes and learn from them. Unlike the smacktard in the whitehouse.

:roll: Do you think he managed to become a 2 term President without learning from his past mistakes?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Honestly, no, I don't. He hasn't ever admitted to any mistakes. I am pretty sure he thinks he is flawless, and his decisions are set in stone once he wrangles up the thought. Luck and rove had alot to do with his getting reelected.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Honestly, no, I don't. He hasn't ever admitted to any mistakes. I am pretty sure he thinks he is flawless, and his decisions are set in stone once he wrangles up the thought. Luck and rove had alot to do with his getting reelected.

more like money and rove....

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Honestly, no, I don't. He hasn't ever admitted to any mistakes. I am pretty sure he thinks he is flawless, and his decisions are set in stone once he wrangles up the thought. Luck and rove had alot to do with his getting reelected.

He hasn't admitted to any mistakes in public, no. Why would he?

Kerry couldn't get elected with money.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Why would he? Nevermind, I'm not going to feed the troll anymore. Good luck in your world.

 

[zendari]

Good luck in yours as well. The rich, the famous, and the powerful have all their success 100% due to luck and it could happen to anyone. Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better at night.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: zendari
Good luck in yours as well. The rich, the famous, and the powerful have all their success 100% due to luck and it could happen to anyone. Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better at night.

he didn't say it was 100% luck though....

 

[zendari]

So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: zendari
So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

I'd agree that it was mostly his family, money, and ability to generally follow the advice of those more intelligent then him. the luck part is that he didn't mess it all up by doing something stupid.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari
So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

I can't see why anyone would agree with that. He bankrupted Arbusto Oil, then bankrupted it again after some of his father's friends bought it out and renamed it Spectrum 7 Oil. Spectrum 7 was in turn bought out, again by his father's political cronies, and renamed Harkin Oil. GWB again ran Harkin into the ground, but not before selling his own shares prior to a disastrous quarterly earnings statement (arguably an SEC violation).

He paid for a 1.8% share in the Texas Rangers, but, again in the interest of political cronyism, his partners gave him another 10%, which turned out to be highly profitable when the team was resold after the taxpayers of Houston paid $200M for a new stadium, increasing the value of the team dramatically. President Bush's initial investment of $600K ended up being worth $14.9M. Again, though, his fair share was less than 20% of that amount, and the profit was essentially taxpayer money.

In summary, GWB's business career was pretty astoundingly unsuccessful, and would have ended before it started, but for his father's vast clout.

You may like President Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion, but anyone who claims he was anything but a complete failure as a businessman is living in a fantasy world.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

I can't see why anyone would agree with that. He bankrupted Arbusto Oil, then bankrupted it again after some of his father's friends bought it out and renamed it Spectrum 7 Oil. Spectrum 7 was in turn bought out, again by his father's political cronies, and renamed Harkin Oil. GWB again ran Harkin into the ground, but not before selling his own shares prior to a disastrous quarterly earnings statement (arguably an SEC violation).

He paid for a 1.8% share in the Texas Rangers, but, again in the interest of political cronyism, his partners gave him another 10%, which turned out to be highly profitable when the team was resold after the taxpayers of Houston paid $200M for a new stadium, increasing the value of the team dramatically. President Bush's initial investment of $600K ended up being worth $14.9M. Again, though, his fair share was less than 20% of that amount, and the profit was essentially taxpayer money.

In summary, GWB's business career was pretty astoundingly unsuccessful, and would have ended before it started, but for his father's vast clout.

You may like President Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion, but anyone who claims he was anything but a complete failure as a businessman is living in a fantasy world.

it's a nice myth for the people at the bottom that all (or even most) people that are now in power got that way b/c they deserve it. it's the same kind of thinking that allows someone who is not upper class to support upper class tax cuts. they aspire to that so they somehow end up supporting it.

 

[0roo0roo]

F

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

I can't see why anyone would agree with that. He bankrupted Arbusto Oil, then bankrupted it again after some of his father's friends bought it out and renamed it Spectrum 7 Oil. Spectrum 7 was in turn bought out, again by his father's political cronies, and renamed Harkin Oil. GWB again ran Harkin into the ground, but not before selling his own shares prior to a disastrous quarterly earnings statement (arguably an SEC violation).

He paid for a 1.8% share in the Texas Rangers, but, again in the interest of political cronyism, his partners gave him another 10%, which turned out to be highly profitable when the team was resold after the taxpayers of Houston paid $200M for a new stadium, increasing the value of the team dramatically. President Bush's initial investment of $600K ended up being worth $14.9M. Again, though, his fair share was less than 20% of that amount, and the profit was essentially taxpayer money.

In summary, GWB's business career was pretty astoundingly unsuccessful, and would have ended before it started, but for his father's vast clout.

You may like President Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion, but anyone who claims he was anything but a complete failure as a businessman is living in a fantasy world.

No, he wasn't much of a businessman. Probably why he left business and went into politics. Not everyone has to be in business to be successful?

The SEC disagrees with your assessment on Harken. According to the SEC, the federal Securities and Exchange Commission concluded on March 27, 1992 by Assistant Director of the SEC Herb Janick that Bush had a "preexisting plan" to sell the Harken stock and that Bush had a "relatively limited role in Harken management" and that they did not believe insider trading took place. I'd certainly say that they know their rules and violations better than anyone?

If being a 2 term governor (defeating a very popular incumbent along the way) and a 2 term president is a failure as a politician I hope to miserably fail someday as well.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Tommunist

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: zendari
So you agree that Bush has had some ingenuity, skill, or ability to make the most of his advantages that has led him to become a successful man?

I can't see why anyone would agree with that. He bankrupted Arbusto Oil, then bankrupted it again after some of his father's friends bought it out and renamed it Spectrum 7 Oil. Spectrum 7 was in turn bought out, again by his father's political cronies, and renamed Harkin Oil. GWB again ran Harkin into the ground, but not before selling his own shares prior to a disastrous quarterly earnings statement (arguably an SEC violation).

He paid for a 1.8% share in the Texas Rangers, but, again in the interest of political cronyism, his partners gave him another 10%, which turned out to be highly profitable when the team was resold after the taxpayers of Houston paid $200M for a new stadium, increasing the value of the team dramatically. President Bush's initial investment of $600K ended up being worth $14.9M. Again, though, his fair share was less than 20% of that amount, and the profit was essentially taxpayer money.

In summary, GWB's business career was pretty astoundingly unsuccessful, and would have ended before it started, but for his father's vast clout.

You may like President Bush, and you're entitled to your opinion, but anyone who claims he was anything but a complete failure as a businessman is living in a fantasy world.

it's a nice myth for the people at the bottom that all (or even most) people that are now in power got that way b/c they deserve it. it's the same kind of thinking that allows someone who is not upper class to support upper class tax cuts. they aspire to that so they somehow end up supporting it.

Not at all. Many middle class people support upper class tax cuts because it is fair. The wealthy used to pay some ridiculous 70+% rate a few years ago.