If you feel so strongly about it, let's allow women to abort babies after two years out of the womb if they find out they can't support them.
The economy problems are a bi-partisan disaster. And anyone with at least half a brain realizes it. I don't even have to read the responses, I just have to read who the writer is and know exactly how they respond. The banking industry owns too many people in government across both sides of the aisle.
The question here is simple, do you believe the Obama spending bill will pay for itself, or send us into bigger problems down the road in interest payments?
To give the GOP an "F" in being a part of the solution, is equivalent to giving the Dems an "F" across the board 8 years ago. They have virtually no voting power in congress right now. It's like grading the first base coach on a baseball team on how good of a job he is contributing to the team's offense.
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Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you feel so strongly about it, let's allow women to abort babies after two years out of the womb if they find out they can't support them.
Thats a real stoopid comment cubby!! As a man we should have no say what a woman does or does not do with what is in her body!!
Demos don't kill the babies, they merely allow women to have abortions if they choose, where the Republicans want to force women to have the babies regardless of whether they're actually wanted, whether they can support them, or even if carrying the child to term may kill one or both. <---- very true!!
The economy problems are a bi-partisan disaster. And anyone with at least half a brain realizes it. I don't even have to read the responses, I just have to read who the writer is and know exactly how they respond. The banking industry owns too many people in government across both sides of the aisle.
The question here is simple, do you believe the Obama spending bill will pay for itself, or send us into bigger problems down the road in interest payments?
To give the GOP an "F" in being a part of the solution, is equivalent to giving the Dems an "F" across the board 8 years ago. They have virtually no voting power in congress right now. It's like grading the first base coach on a baseball team on how good of a job he is contributing to the team's offense.
the congress elected in 2006 took office in 2007.
afaik, the 110th congress did not have a time machine to go back into the past and undo the mortgage/credit bubble, which was already beginning to pop around the time they were elected.
fannie and freddie had little to nothing to do with the subprime mortgage mess; from my understanding their share of the market collapsed during the boom. Not sure where you go that idea since i haven't heard anyone really suggest it outside of a few politicians.
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Thats a real stoopid comment cubby!! As a man we should have no say what a woman does or does not do with what is in her body!!Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you feel so strongly about it, let's allow women to abort babies after two years out of the womb if they find out they can't support them.
Demos don't kill the babies, they merely allow women to have abortions if they choose, where the Republicans want to force women to have the babies regardless of whether they're actually wanted, whether they can support them, or even if carrying the child to term may kill one or both. <---- very true!!
This was a real stoopid thread JEDIYoda
Only appropriate to respond with a comment you feel is equally "stoopid"I was just saying, perhaps we should also allow women to abort babies when they determine they either neither want them or cannot financially support them a year after birth.
The evil conservative right would say the woman has no right to decide life or death of a fetus. The fetus is a living being and has it's own right to life and protections under the law, just the same as any other person.
Whatever your beliefs are, it's even "stoopider" to dismiss the other side of the argument.
And for the record, I really don't care either way if a woman has the rights to abortion or not.
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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Thats a real stoopid comment cubby!! As a man we should have no say what a woman does or does not do with what is in her body!!Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you feel so strongly about it, let's allow women to abort babies after two years out of the womb if they find out they can't support them.
Demos don't kill the babies, they merely allow women to have abortions if they choose, where the Republicans want to force women to have the babies regardless of whether they're actually wanted, whether they can support them, or even if carrying the child to term may kill one or both. <---- very true!!
This was a real stoopid thread JEDIYoda
I was just saying, perhaps we should also allow women to abort babies when they determine they either neither want them or cannot financially support them a year after birth.
The evil conservative right would say the woman has no right to decide life or death of a fetus. The fetus is a living being and has it's own right to life and protections under the law, just the same as any other person.
Whatever your beliefs are, it's even "stoopider" to dismiss the other side of the argument.
And for the record, I really don't care either way if a woman has the rights to abortion or not.
Thats where you are wrong Cubby!
There is only one side to this argument...thats the side that says a woman has the right to do what she feels she needs to do with her body!
Especially if you were to take men entirely out of the picture....a man should have no say in what a woman does with her body when it comes to child birth!
There are many many people who would say the fetus is not a living breathing person until it is born.....
Your example of allowing a women to abort babies after two years out of the womb if they find out they can't support them. <--- just plain ignorant and stoopid and idiotic!!
I for one do care and believe that a women should be allowed to have an abortion if she choose, where the Republicans want to force women to have the babies regardless of whether they're actually wanted, whether they can support them, or even if carrying the child to term may kill one or both.
Peace!!
Ah, there's the closed-minded JEDIYoda we have all come to know :laugh:
And I know you'll respond saying you're not, but I mean that is expected for such a closed-minded person, and thus the end of this conversation. It's the peanut gallery who is smart and recognizes that there are indeed multiple angles to the abortion argument, even if they themselves believe in one over another.
trenchfoot
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For pursuing an agenda that had everything to do with pampering and ensuring prosperity for only the very rich at the expense of every other citizen of our Nation : An F, assigned with extreme prejudice. :thumbsdown:
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Cubby it`s not about being open or closed minded!! It`s about you or I being given a say in what somebody else choses to do with their body as far as abortion is concerned!
So YES the discussion is over!!Because you chose to believe that YOU have a say in what a woman choses to do with her body! You would be up in arms if the position was reversed and you had to bore a baby that quite frankly you iether didn`t want or was forced upon you via rape....
The sad part is you know I am right!!
dawp
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The best answer to this is to reduce the need for abortions in the first place by providing better (NOT abstance only) sex ed that provides factual information about contraceptives and how to use them. leaving it up to parents isn't working since so many wont talk to thier kids in a meaningful way.
as far as the republicans are conserned, I'd give them a D+. what we really need is to break the stranglehold the Two parties have on political power with viable 3rd parties. the two main parties are just too corupt with the need to raise ungodly amounts of cash and use it bash each other. Until we get money and lobbying out of the equation, nothing will ever change.
Those same regulations wouldve done nothing for the other 40 banks, and AIG.
Everyone missed that boat, no one is blameless.
Mr. Lennon
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Huge fat F. I used to be a Republican...left the party a couple months before last November.
The republican party just needs to kick all the neocons and fundies out and go back to what the original ideals in which the party was built on.
The republican party just needs to kick all the neocons and fundies out and go back to what the original ideals in which the party was built on.
retrospooty
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Yup...
I totally agree with that. Small govt, low business friendly taxes and govt staying out of people lifes sounds fantastic.
I with there were one party that would stand by those principles.
MovingTarget
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Heh, same here. I supported McCain wholeheartedly in 2000, yet couldn't bring myself to do so again this time... Republican ideals do have their place, but exactly what those ideals are is still in question. They will have to decide if they want to be the party of social conservatism or of fiscal conservatism. The coalition they built between these factions has been on life support for way too long, and it is killing both sides.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
eisenhower was a rino
Clinton has been the best republican since Ike - :shocked:
Republicans are doing their best at what they do - I'll give 'em a *C*. The Party of No is at its best with obstruction, obfuscation, fallacy and personal attacks - not ideas.
edit: I forgot Waving the Flag ....
You've gotta be the dumbest person that I've seen post on this board in a long time. You constantly throw around the whole "party of no" crap, acting like it's something new. The way that you just described the Republican party fits the Democrats of 2 years ago to a T. Actually, it fits both parties when they are the minority party, too bad you're too far up the Democrats ass to notice it.
*Denial* ain't just a river in Egypt. Enjoy your permanent status as the Limbaugh Party of Wing Nuts.
I would imagine in my lifetime I've voted for more republicans than you so I hope you enjoy your personal colorectal vision of conservatism and moderation.
This time? The right idea? Its the same ideas they've had for the last 8 years. They weren't good then and they aren't good now.
kage69
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D+ , with only Snowe and Collins saving them from utter fail. Seriously though, really hard to take Bush supporters seriously on any of these current issues given what they supported for 8 years. SUDDENLY all these "conservatives" care about spending, national dignity, oversight, size of government, etc.
<------- Rehabilitated former Republican who hopes this party dries up for the good of the country
<------- Rehabilitated former Republican who hopes this party dries up for the good of the country
kage69
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Couldn't help but notice your like sentiment here - that's been my feeling to a great many posters here lately. Their amnesia and dishonesty makes me ill to think we may have shared political ideals. The Party of No seems to fit, which is why even right-wing writers acknowledge it in their articles.
In this case "No" also seems to apply to No Originality. Seems any criticism of the GOP automatically gets you accusations of being a Democrat. Kinda like the way anyone who disagreed with a Cheney/Bush decision was automatically a liberal.
:roll: It's pathetic, but with the "pretend Bush didn't happen, you can't say his name he's not president anymore!" it gets just downright hilarious.
We need a medical term for denial of this magnitude the wing nuts are exhibiting...
ericlp
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It was already broke to begin with. My take, get someone new in. If they can't fix it in 4 years get another new person in there...
It sure beat the alternative letting another bush hack keep fucking it up for the rest of us.
Grade F of course and I still can't believe they let bush run a full 8 year term. Give enough rope ---
It sure beat the alternative letting another bush hack keep fucking it up for the rest of us.
Grade F of course and I still can't believe they let bush run a full 8 year term. Give enough rope ---
Mr. Lennon
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The Libertarian party stands by those principals....too bad the mainstream media rarely gives them publicity.
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