What goes around comes around...

[Gstanfor]

Yes, they were quick to release nV35.

But, understand that TSMC had through its incompetence with 0.13 and Low K delayed the release of nV30 by at least a year, probably closer to a year and a half. This means nV35 was already 90% finished at nV30's launch. Personally I will never understand why nV30 was canned altogether much earlier and nV35 accelerated (though I suspect TSMC needed the time to get FSG up and running).

Imagine if nV30 had released instead of the GF4 (there is an interview out on the 'net where Kirk says nVidia were not sure if they would even need GF4 or not at first).

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: gsellis
Do you live under a suspension, covered, steel girder, or concrete bridge?

Now thats a cheap shot which has nothing to do with the topic at hand, I know here on the video forum anything about video cards becomes a flame war but cmon lets keep this conversation civil as long as possible.

No, this post has nothing to do with discussion and everything to do with one up's-manship. This is a trolling post.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
They likely miscalculated demand. It can happen easily (especially when you have products like the 6600GT suddenly appearing & ripping the market to shreds) - just ask ATi about all the R200 cores (warehouses full of the things) they had to get rid of somehow after they ordered too many from the foundry.

Obviously ATI sales are doing as well as their shipments.

ATI posts 'strong' Q2 sales gains

Why do you keep insisting that Nvidia is outselling ATI? Could you provide some links to verify your opinion?

 

[McArra]

NV3x was crap compared to R3xx, so Nvidia had what they deserved. Nowadays both of the companies are neck to neck and is stupid to start a thread like this, full of crap from a frustrated ignorant....

 

[lein]

nvidia

 

[Codey47]

lets just get a few things straight Gstanfor nvidia released the fx series (huge flop for 2 years lets face it)a series that was being beaten by a 6 month old card on release(9700pro if i remember correctly)
credit where credit is due 6800 is their only card in the duration of the generation of the fx series which is a success two years to late if you ask me!
also let me give you a little insight to the lies nvidia spreaded during the last two years and drivers being banned constantly from futuremark benchmarks thru driver "cheating" and an nvidia spokesperson saying the benchmark is pointless and waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars and pulled out of futuremarks benchmark, about 6 months later(my guesstimate)signing back into the BETA partners list of futuremarks "pointless" benchmarks
2.FARCRY--nvidia released screenshots of FARCRY running in so called ps3.0 comparing the screenshots to ps1.1(bearing in mind NVIDIA quoted that the screenshots were ps3.0 versus ps2.0)

ubisoft releases ps3.0 patch and no such image quality was to be seen
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc4
ubisoft releases 64 bit patch
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY3
and the new graphics enhancements were to be seen on both gpus from ATI and NVIDIA not on nvidia hardware as originally quoted BY NVIDIA(BIG NVIDIA DADDY LIES)


nvidia are the kings of releasing cards on new graphics technologies way too early by the time a game is released with that new feature the game will be a slideshow
ATI however said we dont see the need of releasing a card with pixel shader 3.0 support because it wasnt implemented in games as of the time(ATI said this when nvidia's ps3.0 cards went retail)nvidia hit back childishly saying ati didnt know how to implement ps3.0
when the Rv520 is released i for 1 will drool at this card because of pixel shader 3.0a support and possible WGF 1.0 support and its a pure grunt of a beast of a single slot card beating any of nvidias dual sli setups to date(imagine the rv520 crossfired up)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23752

i can go on but for now i think thats enough
so next time nvidia fan boys if you wanna argue the toss of whos better and whos not deliver sumthing better than gstanfor's piss weak gravy!

 

[TStep]

Great news....let's all pray for one of the two viable graphical solutions manufacturers to go down in flames. I'll be looking forward to nothing new and innovative in the future. The non-stop refresh of the same product with minimal performance boosts at extremely high prices will be very satisfying. Thanks again for the news.....:roll:

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: Codey47
lets just get a few things straight Gstanfor nvidia released the fx series (huge flop for 2 years lets face it)a series that was being beaten by a 6 month old card on release(9700pro if i remember correctly)
credit where credit is due 6800 is their only card in the duration of the generation of the fx series which is a success two years to late if you ask me!
also let me give you a little insight to the lies nvidia spreaded during the last two years and drivers being banned constantly from futuremark benchmarks thru driver "cheating" and an nvidia spokesperson saying the benchmark is pointless and waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars and pulled out of futuremarks benchmark, about 6 months later(my guesstimate)signing back into the BETA partners list of futuremarks "pointless" benchmarks
2.FARCRY--nvidia released screenshots of FARCRY running in so called ps3.0 comparing the screenshots to ps1.1(bearing in mind NVIDIA quoted that the screenshots were ps3.0 versus ps2.0)

ubisoft releases ps3.0 patch and no such image quality was to be seen
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njc4
ubisoft releases 64 bit patch
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY3
and the new graphics enhancements were to be seen on both gpus from ATI and NVIDIA not on nvidia hardware as originally quoted BY NVIDIA(BIG NVIDIA DADDY LIES)


nvidia are the kings of releasing cards on new graphics technologies way too early by the time a game is released with that new feature the game will be a slideshow
ATI however said we dont see the need of releasing a card with pixel shader 3.0 support because it wasnt implemented in games as of the time(ATI said this when nvidia's ps3.0 cards went retail)nvidia hit back childishly saying ati didnt know how to implement ps3.0
when the Rv520 is released i for 1 will drool at this card because of pixel shader 3.0a support and possible WGF 1.0 support and its a pure grunt of a beast of a single slot card beating any of nvidias dual sli setups to date(imagine the rv520 crossfired up)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23752

i can go on but for now i think thats enough
so next time nvidia fan boys if you wanna argue the toss of whos better and whos not deliver sumthing better than gstanfor's piss weak gravy!

Another fanboy:roll:, LOL

 

[Codey47]

no just pure hard fact m8 thats it so go and play yer way its meant to played games that play faster on ati
btw i have owned 3 nvidia cards and 2 ati cards and my TRUST is with ATI
reaf the hard ocp articles i have posted and dont call me a fanboy i just dont like being lied to to by their corporate bullshit
the ony way i can explain to you is that would you be angry if you bought a car that was advertised a 5.2 litre engine and when u take it home its a 3 litre engine???

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: Codey47
no just pure hard fact m8 thats it so go and play yer way its meant to played games that play faster on ati

Play HDR games that... wait! you can't LOL.

Now this is pointless in both ways, you guys are acting like little childs. Let's hope there's a lot of competence between this 2 companies if we want good and cheaper hard.

Know what? next gen I will buy the ones that offers me more for less and or much more for a little more

 

[Greenman]

I don't understand the need to prove one company is or was better than another. Why would anyone care?

 

[Codey47]

HDR that dont let you enable FSAA in games that play in the region of 30 frames you mean....lol on your handfull of supported games
lets wait 4 the RV520 and then reflect
"next gen I will buy the ones that offers me more for less and or much more for a little more"to quote you mac
ill by the latest and greatest coz i do my research when buying a gfx card

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: Codey47
HDR that dont let you enable FSAA in games that play in the region of 30 frames you mean....lol on your handfull of supported games
lets wait 4 the RV520 and then reflect

Obviously you haven't seen it in motion, but came on stop being as fanboy as the one who started this. Face it, this gen both are very near but Nvidia has more features (for your info I use HDR games everyday @1280x1024 8xAF and SP CT at the same settings with quite some features you can't even try) and ATi is a little faster. Tell me I'm wrong...

 

[Codey47]

ubisofts decision m8 something that valve did not do to nvidia but if you think thats sposed to be a kick in the nuts for ati owners it aint coz ill be gettin ps3.0 but its gonna be ati theres a storm on its way and its called the rv520
Good things come to those who wait
btw i dint start nothin ask me mam...... lol
anyway dood this is a debate not a petty quadrangle feud
btw gstandfor started the thread im just replying with factuall evidence you just come out with hdr hdr ..lol
something that I WILL EXPERIENCE this year but in pixel shader 3.0a mode m8
and anotherthing nvida was proud of having was the xbox....who has it now

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: Codey47
HDR that dont let you enable FSAA in games that play in the region of 30 frames you mean....lol on your handfull of supported games
lets wait 4 the RV520 and then reflect

Obviously you haven't seen it in motion, but came on stop being as fanboy as the one who started this. Face it, this gen both are very near but Nvidia has more features (for your info I use HDR games everyday @1280x1024 8xAF and SP CT at the same settings with quite some features you can't even try) and ATi is a little faster. Tell me I'm wrong...

Not everyone who sees HDR thinks its the best.

He was correct, you are wrong.

You say you play SP CT every day with HDR, at 1280x1024. And that ATi is only a little faster. According to Firingsquad, the GT gets 28fps in that config, while the XL gets 47. Little faster? No, a lot.

Yes NV has more usuable features, but with todays hardware, its far from playable, to me.

 

[Gstanfor]

LOL! Codey47 makes me laugh.

So ATi has your trust do they?

They don't cheat? How about permanently on Trylinear? how about replacement shaders (Doom3)? How about lying about your competitor every single chance you get (latest example being nVidia's supposed AA quality vs ATi's with supersampling)? - there is more - lots, lots more, but I've already covered a fair bit of it in other threads. I suggest you do a little reading.

Do me a favor and stay out of my threads.

 

[Codey47]

exactly wots the point if ya wanna see a slideshow
stop being a slideshow bob and ask santa for a rv520 this year
thats the only thing you have said that is true nvidia are the stronger in opengl and i admit it doom3 thats your only game that you have going for u even tho 99% of games are direct x m8 and all you can quote to me is doom 3
and i suggest you do a little research on your taiwanese brothers
ati crossfire set up 14x antialiasing and 32x anisotropic filtering that works with all games old and new not having to wait of a tedious profile creating chore with nvidias multi gpu setup and dont quote stuff from nvidia fanboy sites i do proper research and not foolish take with a pinch of salt rumour websites

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Codey47
exactly wots the point if ya wanna see a slideshow
stop being a slideshow bob and ask santa for a rv520 this year

I don't see no slideshows on my 6800GT - I didn't see too many on my 5900XT either...

Now, once again - make like a tree, and leave!

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
LOL! Codey47 makes me laugh.

So ATi has your trust do they?

They don't cheat? How about permanently on Trylinear? how about replacement shaders (Doom3)? How about lying about your competitor every single chance you get (latest example being nVidia's supposed AA quality vs ATi's with supersampling)? - there is more - lots, lots more, but I've already covered a fair bit of it in other threads. I suggest you do a little reading.

Do me a favor and stay out of my threads.

Well, obviously this thread is about nothing but ATI bashing. Enjoy yourself. I think I'll go post in a worthwhile thread now.

 

[Codey47]

plus why u tryin to flame the hell when i bring proof you dont like it do u and ati havent lied bout nuffin in doom 3 anyway and doom 3 is yer ammunition ...lol
btw nvidias aa and af was copied off ATI by bringing 16X in the mix
so nvidia have ati to thank for in the aa and af department bcoz its(NVIDIA) aa and af have been piss poor for years until now
the 5900xt thats a card im familiar with and it was non stop slide show on direct x9 games
what did it have to offer but good speed on the aging quake 3 engine thats only used once in a blue moon activision releases..again you yet again deliver your piss weak watered down gravy and the 5900xt was a card i know thru experience due to a friend owning one and i have played a wide range of games on so u lie just like yer nvidia friends

next subject amd versus intel...lol

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: Codey47
HDR that dont let you enable FSAA in games that play in the region of 30 frames you mean....lol on your handfull of supported games
lets wait 4 the RV520 and then reflect

Obviously you haven't seen it in motion, but came on stop being as fanboy as the one who started this. Face it, this gen both are very near but Nvidia has more features (for your info I use HDR games everyday @1280x1024 8xAF and SP CT at the same settings with quite some features you can't even try) and ATi is a little faster. Tell me I'm wrong...

Not everyone who sees HDR thinks its the best.

He was correct, you are wrong.

You say you play SP CT every day with HDR, at 1280x1024. And that ATi is only a little faster. According to Firingsquad, the GT gets 28fps in that config, while the XL gets 47. Little faster? No, a lot.

Yes NV has more usuable features, but with todays hardware, its far from playable, to me.

I won't aswer such stupid statements, if you don't want to see it just don't but please, don't be so...

 

[Sentential]

Its nothing but a phase, just like it was with nV. Frankly I want both companies around to drive the prices lower.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Codey47
plus why u tryin to flame the hell when i bring proof you dont like it do u and ati havent lied bout nuffin in doom 3 anyway
btw nvidias aa and af was copied by bringing 16X in the mix
next subject amd versus intel...lol

What proof??? - you don't even know what you are talking about!

I never said ATi lied about their Doom3 shader - what they (and their fanboys) have consistently done in the past is accuse nVidia of shader replacement, when they (ATi) are the only ones with replacement shaders in their drivers.

Of course this is almost exactly the same as the trilinear filtering issue where ATi accused nVidia of using filtering hacks and stated that they did not, when in fact they did.

nVidia has ALWAYS had working supersampled AA and has been capable of combined AA modes (MSAA + SSAA) even on Geforce FX (only 8x max there though).

AMD vs Intel - LOL! you really don't know me at all well, do you??? Funniest thing I've heard all night...

 

[Codey47]

every ones been slammin yer knowledge in this thread gstanfor so what does the g stand for...GOOMER
and amd vs intel was a little mess around u obviously cant take a liitle joke and takin this way 2 seriously
and read the ps3 article on far cry on hardocp and then go to the amd page and look at the screenies that a 64 bit os upgrade does to the game NOT NVIDIAS HOLY PIXEL SHADER 3 thats an even bigger lie than a stoopid optimization on doom3 plus u missing the point on the optimization thing on 3dmark futuremark stated nvidia wasnt complying with the direct x API seeing tho microsoft are listed as one of futuremarks partners in the testing so u seem to have plenty of get up and go ...so why dont u?

 

[Gstanfor]

No, that's just people who are sore with me because I dare to expose ATi's misdeeds.

You get those types anytime you take a stand.

About the AMD vs Intel, like I said -you REALLY don't know me or my posting history at anandtech very well do you? Otherwise you would know why I'm amused - why don't you go ask wingznut pez what I mean?