What first world problem did you have today?

[Red Squirrel]

To the best of my knowledge they ARE NOT even close to that much.....

That's $500+ PER TIRE ?!?!?!

I just looked at tire prices for tires for a 2010 F-250 for about 30 seconds. Even if you have the 20 inch wheel option a set of 4 Michelins INSTALLED/including sales tax is less then $1200.

Might want to shop around a little.

Each one are close to $350 but then add rims for a bit over $100, TPMS, the labour etc. it all adds up.

 

[Captante]

Each one are close to $350 but then add rims for a bit over $100, TPMS, the labour etc. it all adds up.

Thought you only needed tires but still 2 grand for a set of stock-size f-150 wheels/tires sounds really steep.... I hope for that price you're AT LEAST getting "top of the line" stuff.

For example the limo company I do IT work for pays around $750 OUT THE DOOR to put a set of 4 Goodyear truck-tires (with 50k mile road-hazard) on a Chevy Tahoe.

Firestone Destination LE3's cost about 10-20% less with the bosses discount .... sounds to me like you could easily get a much better deal. ($735 installed for 4 Destinations for anyone right now)

EDIT: For $2k you can get high-end 20-21 inch alloy wheels and 4x serious off-road tires including the TPMS sensors. 18 inchers are substantially less.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Well tires and rims kinda go hand in hand. I can start trying to mix and match but then they won't look the same and it will be oddball. They don't make the exact rim/tires anymore so no matter what I do I'd end up with some weird oddball combo.

This is the tire they are going to put, but that's probably an American site so that price looks cheaper:

BFGoodrich Tires 29668 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Tires at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

 

[Red Squirrel]

Suppose I could replace just the rims and not the tires though... but they are on their last legs either way and one rim is cracked. They put the spare for now.

 

[Captante]

All that stuff is behind a firewall, not serving anything to the internet, it's also isolated from the rest of my network via a separate vlan. Win10 is a bigger security issue with all the spying it does. Of course I would be blocking all of MS IPs if I had to put windows 10 or 11 on a system. This is only really used for gaming so it's not exactly an actively used machine.

I wouldn't have a Win 7 PC connected to my network in any way if said network was connected to the internet.

The only "firewall" I would trust to fully contain outbound data on an unsupported Win 7 PC is unplugging the ethernet cable. "Disabled in software" means literally nothing when there are myriad massive and never to be patched holes in the OS kernel itself.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I wouldn't have a Win 7 PC connected to my network in any way if said network was connected to the internet.

The only "firewall" I would trust to fully contain outbound data on an unsupported Win 7 PC is unplugging the ethernet cable. "Disabled in software" means literally nothing when there are myriad massive and never to be patched holes in the OS kernel itself.

What kind of attack surfaces do you figure would exist? Just because something is unsupported does not mean it suddenly is full of security exploits. My work has a bunch of windows XP machines on the network, but they're not facing the internet so there is no real attack surface. Everything else is win 7. They're starting to roll out win10 though.

 

[Captante]

Well tires and rims kinda go hand in hand. I can start trying to mix and match but then they won't look the same and it will be oddball. They don't make the exact rim/tires anymore so no matter what I do I'd end up with some weird oddball combo.

This is the tire they are going to put, but that's probably an American site so that price looks cheaper:

BFGoodrich Tires 29668 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Tires at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

ONE quick search I found those exact tires for $164 each but I don't believe they ship to Canada.... $250 sounds like full-retail.

At the very least find a better deal in Canada and make them match the price. (website says they do this)

It is of course your money though!

What kind of attack surfaces do you figure would exist? Just because something is unsupported does not mean it suddenly is full of security exploits. My work has a bunch of windows XP machines on the network, but they're not facing the internet so there is no real attack surface. Everything else is win 7. They're starting to roll out win10 though.

Ever install anything on your Win 7 PC? Personally gone through every line of code?

I thought not.

Considering the things I've seen done to hack access to a FULLY PATCHED AND SUPPORTED Windows network, all I'm going to say is that I wish you luck... you're going to need it.

And I wouldn't advertise the lack of competent security at your work unless you want to increase the odds of them becoming yet another ransomware statistic. (insecure as it is, Win 7 is Fort Knox compared to XP)

 

[Red Squirrel]

I suppose it's possible that someone puts malicious code into a Steam game or something, but what stops them from doing that on win 10 or 11 or even Linux? If you're actually installing something that happens to be malicious then it really does not matter how secure the OS is. I suppose some really advanced heuristics could maybe look for stuff that seems suspicious though.

 

[Captante]

I suppose it's possible that someone puts malicious code into a Steam game or something, but what stops them from doing that on win 10 or 11 or even Linux? If you're actually installing something that happens to be malicious then it really does not matter how secure the OS is. I suppose some really advanced heuristics could maybe look for stuff that seems suspicious though.

Sorry bro.... reality is that a properly configured and locked down Windows 10 Pro installation is EXPONENTIALLY more secure then Windows 7 in 2021 and even mentioning XP and security in the same breath is a sad joke. (11 is too new to make a full judgement)

All the reasons for this fact have already been pointed out by others in prior threads more than once though, so I'm not going to waste my time going back over them here.

 

[shortylickens]

yesterday morning I went to walmart thinking I'd get cheap meds. They wanted 1800 bucks for something the hospital pharmacy has for 500. Which at that point was by a factor of 10 the most expensive drug I've ever been prescribed.

 

[Red Squirrel]

That's assuming it's facing the internet though. Lot of exploits are done via RPC port and similar avenues. Or browsing the internet and getting hit with a drive by can be a common way to get hacked but that has more to do with the browser than the OS, but of course on older OSes they stop updating browsers so that is a valid issue. If you leave a XP machine connected straight to the internet, it's going to get hacked but put it behind a firewall it will be fine as long as you're not using it to browse shady sites.

 

[shortylickens]

Sorry bro.... reality is that a properly configured and locked down Windows 10 Pro installation is EXPONENTIALLY more secure then Windows 7 in 2021 and even mentioning XP and security in the same breath is a sad joke. (11 is too new to make a full judgement)

All the reasons for this fact have already been pointed out by others in prior threads more than once though, so I'm not going to waste my time going back over them here.

I bet you a million dollars you cant crack BeOS.

 

[Captante]

That's assuming it's facing the internet though. Lot of exploits are done via RPC port and similar avenues. Or browsing the internet and getting hit with a drive by can be a common way to get hacked but that has more to do with the browser than the OS, but of course on older OSes they stop updating browsers so that is a valid issue. If you leave a XP machine connected straight to the internet, it's going to get hacked but put it behind a firewall it will be fine as long as you're not using it to browse shady sites.

If you never put a scrap of personal info on a Win XP/Win 7 machine and don't connect it to any other Windows PC that touches the web or contains your information then there won't be any of your personal data at risk using the internet.

That's the only way to be sure.

Problem is that does nothing about it potentially being turned into a "zombie" and used for (at best) DDOS attacks for one simple example. All that has to happen to accomplish this is a program successfully spoofs another that has a ready-made firewall rule for you to be done in.

Not sure how you can be a techie (AND a big tin-foil hat guy lol) but be so confused about network security. Simply put if you have ONE device on your windows network that's not secure, then your network IS NOT SECURE. Period.

 

[pete6032]

Holy crap that's a bit more than my mortgage payment. I could not afford that, I don't even have that much left over at the end of the month with all the bills that come out.

My health insurance is $300/month with a $2,000 deductible. Stupid expensive. This country needs universal health care.

 

[Red Squirrel]

But how does one gain access to said machine if it's not facing the internet and has no port forwards? I guess another way to look at it, is if there is a recall on a gun safe because it's super easy to break in, but the pentagon installs that gun safe in a secure room. It's not exactly easy for anyone malicious to get to it.

 

[Captante]

But how does one gain access to said machine if it's not facing the internet and has no port forwards? I guess another way to look at it, is if there is a recall on a gun safe because it's super easy to break in, but the pentagon installs that gun safe in a secure room. It's not exactly easy for anyone malicious to get to it.

Not claiming that I can do it, however I PROMISE you that for a lot less $ than Shorty's "million" there's folks who can do it and will do it if given half the chance.

"Software rules" are VERY different then "hardware/physics rules" like a locked metal barrier and Win 7 contains OVER 40 MILLION lines of UNPATCHED code (XP had 50 million +) just waiting for a new exploit. Bad news is that the longer an OS goes without any updates the better the odds it will be fatally compromised.

Good news I suppose is that even with the OBVIOUS vulnerabilities in both your home and your work networks, there are PLENTY of folks still clicking on every email attachment out there so at least you're not the LOWEST hanging fruit!

 

[Red Squirrel]

I suppose it would be a fun experiment to try with an even older OS like windows 95. Set it up in a VM and just let it run and see how long it takes for it to get hit.

 

[Captante]

I suppose it would be a fun experiment to try with an even older OS like windows 95. Set it up in a VM and just let it run and see how long it takes for it to get hit.

Supposedly unpatched XP connected directly to the web can be pwned in minutes and all it takes is being connected doesn't require actually "doing" anything.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Supposedly unpatched XP connected directly to the web can be pwned in minutes.

Oh I believe it, if it's directly connected. Even 10 or 11 I would not connect directly, at least not without ensuring the firewall is properly setup but even then I don't trust it as much as Linux with IPtables. Windows has lot of weird stuff like RPC, netbios etc that are huge attack surfaces.

 

[IronWing]

Well tires and rims kinda go hand in hand. I can start trying to mix and match but then they won't look the same and it will be oddball. They don't make the exact rim/tires anymore so no matter what I do I'd end up with some weird oddball combo.

This is the tire they are going to put, but that's probably an American site so that price looks cheaper:

BFGoodrich Tires 29668 BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires | Summit Racing

Free Shipping - BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 Tires with qualifying orders of $99. Shop Tires at Summit Racing.

www.summitracing.com

Do you plan to do a lot of off roading? Those are excellent tires on rocky and dry trails. They are just okay in mud. They suck on snow and ice. They are noisy on pavement and will lower your gas mileage relative to road tires. I’ve used them on my work trucks and my FJ Cruiser for years because I off road in rocky desert. I can’t imagine they would be a good choice for eastern Canada.

If you’re thinking about driving on your land, BF Goodrich makes a mud terrain tire that folks seem to like.

 

[Captante]

Oh I believe it, if it's directly connected. Even 10 or 11 I would not connect directly, at least not without ensuring the firewall is properly setup but even then I don't trust it as much as Linux with IPtables. Windows has lot of weird stuff like RPC, netbios etc that are huge attack surfaces.

This I 100% agree with you about.... I don't even like relying on ONE firewall alone!

I keep a software firewall on each local/fully patched PC (Norton believe it or not) and a fully up to date router with NAT filtering enabled, plus I surf the web with a regular "user" account most of the time and run ALL non-Chrome browsers in a stand-alone open-source Sandbox. (Sandboxie Plus)

 

[highland145]

It's a F150, you can get whole set of used rims from scrap yard.

There's a reason for that.

 

[Captante]

There's a reason for that.

Found on road dead?

Fixed or repaired daily?

First FVCKED on race-day?

 

[Torn Mind]

It's a F150, you can get whole set of used rims from scrap yard.

Timmins, Ontario IS the scrapyard(the guy got his starter stolen).

 

[IronWing]

Isn’t stealing a starter off a Ford like stealing the compressor off a Samsung fridge?