What first world problem did you have today?

[Charmonium]

I wasn't saying anything about your self-inoculation assertion.

We aren't talking about "many viruses that can last hours of not day on ... surfaces," we are talking about the most common respiratory viruses that typically spread through sneezing: cold and flu (rhinovirus and influenza). When they last for days it's... you guessed it! In a warm moist environment (typically a blob on mucous or saliva).

It's a well known fact that cold and flu viruses do not survive long after the droplets dry. I'm not making that up. You sneeze onto your elbow and clothing and far fewer of those "millions and billions" get transferred by your hands to other surfaces other people are likely to touch. That's the key point. You greatly increase the chance that it will dry up and die uneventfully if you sneeze into your elbow or shirt or the ground than in your hands. Cold and flu viruses are counting on that behavior to spread it.

You're welcome.

Well, you seem to be caught on the horns of a dilemma don't you. On the one hand you're arguing that viruses can't survive on surfaces as your rationale for trying to counter the self-inoculation argument. But yet you seem to need them to survive to make the point about contaminated surfaces.

I'm afraid you're going to need to pick a lane dude.

 

[lxskllr]

I just effed up my write holding my backpack with a case of Pepsi ginger in it while taking my shoes off. Think it's strained since there's no sharp pain. Ouchies.

My back went out Saturday, and I didn't have Pepsi ginger to console me. I got a can last week to try it out. Very good. I wish it was more generally available.

 

[CZroe]

Well, you seem to be caught on the horns of a dilemma don't you. On the one hand you're arguing that viruses can't survive on surfaces as your rationale for trying to counter the self-inoculation argument. But yet you seem to need them to survive to make the point about contaminated surfaces.

I'm afraid you're going to need to pick a lane dude.

You really aren't listening.

Scenario 1:
You transfer the droplets to surfaces that other people regularly touch because... SURPRISE! ...you touch those surfaces too. Other people go on to touch them and contract the virus BEFORE it becomes inactive specifically because you transferred them to surfaces that people TOUCH.

Scenario 2:
You transfer the droplets to surfaces that other people do not regularly touch (your elbow, the floor). The droplets are far more likely to dry up and inactivate the virus without transmission.

I must be missing it. Please point out the contradiction again.

I'm not making this up.

 

[Imp]

^^^Sounds like you people arguing about sneezing need to touch yourselves less... Or maybe more.

My back went out Saturday, and I didn't have Pepsi ginger to console me. I got a can last week to try it out. Very good. I wish it was more generally available.

Ya, I fuxxored my back a week ago too. How? By packing old clothes for donation -- spent a couple hours over a few days. It started burning while standing and bending over to fold and pack of all things. Getting better, but ouchies.

Got my Pepsi ginger from Wal-mart. Had to put up with a cashier very quietly trying to sell me a store credit card over and over again. Couldn't hear 90% of what she said but she tried to flatter me by complimenting my sunglasses -- yes, I wear indoors so people fuck off and they can't see me staring at them.

 

[Charmonium]

You really aren't listening.

Scenario 1:
You transfer the droplets to surfaces that other people regularly touch because... SURPRISE! ...you touch those surfaces too. Other people go on to touch them and contract the virus BEFORE it becomes inactive specifically because you transferred them to surfaces that people TOUCH.

Scenario 2:
You transfer the droplets to surfaces that other people do not regularly touch (your elbow, the floor). The droplets are far more likely to dry up and inactivate the virus without transmission.

I must be missing it. Please point out the contradiction again.

I'm not making this up.

I think at this point we both know you're wrong. I don't expect you to admit but the least you can do is stop thread crapping.

From the UK's NHS

Many different types of viruses can cause colds. The viruses can sometimes survive on indoor surfaces for more than seven days. In general, viruses survive for longer on non-porous (water resistant surfaces, such as stainless steel and plastics, than porous surfaces, such as fabrics and tissues. Although cold viruses have been shown to survive on surfaces for several days, their ability to cause an infection reduces rapidly and they don't often survive longer than 24 hours.

BUT, on your hands, they have a much shorter life expectancy

Most viruses which cause colds only survive on hands for a short amount of time. Some only last for a few minutes but 40% of rhinoviruses, a common cold-causing virus, are still infectious on hands after one hour.

So whether or not you contradicted yourself is irrelevant, you're still wrong.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body.aspx

Try to read the whole page, attention span permitting.

 

[CZroe]

I think at this point we both know you're wrong. I don't expect you to admit but the least you can do is stop thread crapping.

From the UK's NHS



BUT, on your hands, they have a much shorter life expectancy



So whether or not you contradicted yourself is irrelevant, you're still wrong.

http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses-live-outside-the-body.aspx

Try to read the whole page, attention span permitting.

So, my posts are "thread crapping" but yours aren't? That's a strange perspective.

Read about the three primary modes of influenza transmission. There are direct (think: kissing), aerosol (droplets in the air), and surfaces (doorknobs). By sneezing into your elbow you are controlling what you can. As I said, it primarily survives on surfaces in droplet form. When the droplets dry, it doesn't survive long at all. "But... but... but this says up to 24 hours!" Yep. Which is why you should be spraying droplets in places where they might run out the clock without getting touched. The escaping aerosol is typically infectious for several meters particularly because they have to be small enough to stay aloft and yet they quickly evaporate. Much larger and they don't get to stay airborne in the first place. This is exactly what I described earlier. OBVIOUSLY you want to limit the airborne droplets too, which is why you are supposed to sneeze into your elbow instead of the open air. The HOPE is that whatever gets by will die quickly without infections someone, just like most droplets that float about 5 meters away.

I'm sure you've heard all about why toilet seats are actually quite sanitary, and that's exactly why: the surface provides little to sustain viruses or bacteria once any droplets or particles are wiped off. The surface is dry and cold in contrast to the human body which is more extreme a difference to their natural environment than most infectious microorganisms can take. Just like HIV or whatever else you might be worried about on a toilet seat: cold and flu don't make spores to survive long outside of the body. Yes, perfect conditions can last a long time, which is why we are telling you how to make conditions less than perfect as much as possible.

I EXPECT a droplet to last longer on a door knob than on your hands because your hands will evaporate the droplets (body heat). Transferring to a cold doorknob could actually preserve it longer. This isn't about "maximum time they can possibly survive anywhere," it's about keeping them away from the places where they can readily spread before they die. Simple. Don't sneeze on your hands and then touch doorknobs and telephones and hands and writing utensils and credit cards and gas pumps and... you get the picture by now.

 

[Imp]

I just remembered that I've been using the same Mach3 razor to raser ma tête for 3 months. The lubrication strip disappeared 2 months ago and the paper backing is now completely gone too. But it still cuts so I'm using it... Man, I'm cheap.

 

[olds]

My G router died. So I bought an AC router. I pay for 30 MB from Comcast. I can occasionally hit 35 MB. Set up the new router and did a speed test:

 

[gorcorps]

I just remembered that I've been using the same Mach3 razor to raser ma tête for 3 months. The lubrication strip disappeared 2 months ago and the paper backing is now completely gone too. But it still cuts so I'm using it... Man, I'm cheap.

In that case you can tell that dollar shave club prick to fuck right off

 

[Charmonium]

So, my posts are "thread crapping" but yours aren't? That's a strange perspective.

Read about the three primary modes of influenza transmission. There are direct (think: kissing), aerosol (droplets in the air), and surfaces (doorknobs). By sneezing into your elbow you are controlling what you can. As I said, it primarily survives on surfaces in droplet form. When the droplets dry, it doesn't survive long at all. "But... but... but this says up to 24 hours!" Yep. Which is why you should be spraying droplets in places where they might run out the clock without getting touched. The escaping aerosol is typically infectious for several meters particularly because they have to be small enough to stay aloft and yet they quickly evaporate. Much larger and they don't get to stay airborne in the first place. This is exactly what I described earlier. OBVIOUSLY you want to limit the airborne droplets too, which is why you are supposed to sneeze into your elbow instead of the open air. The HOPE is that whatever gets by will die quickly without infections someone, just like most droplets that float about 5 meters away.

I'm sure you've heard all about why toilet seats are actually quite sanitary, and that's exactly why: the surface provides little to sustain viruses or bacteria once any droplets or particles are wiped off. The surface is dry and cold in contrast to the human body which is more extreme a difference to their natural environment than most infectious microorganisms can take. Just like HIV or whatever else you might be worried about on a toilet seat: cold and flu don't make spores to survive long outside of the body. Yes, perfect conditions can last a long time, which is why we are telling you how to make conditions less than perfect as much as possible.

I EXPECT a droplet to last longer on a door knob than on your hands because your hands will evaporate the droplets (body heat). Transferring to a cold doorknob could actually preserve it longer. This isn't about "maximum time they can possibly survive anywhere," it's about keeping them away from the places where they can readily spread before they die. Simple. Don't sneeze on your hands and then touch doorknobs and telephones and hands and writing utensils and credit cards and gas pumps and... you get the picture by now.

So IOW, you didn't even look at the link I provided which conclusively proves you have no idea what you're talking about. You're probably one of those students in school who thought if you couldn't dazzle them with footwork you'd bury them in bullshit.

Well, you've obviously developed that ability to a high art.

It's clear that you'd rather pretend that you're right rather than learn something, so by all means, walk away believing that, just walk away. I am. kthxbye

 

[CZroe]

So, my posts are "thread crapping" but yours aren't? That's a strange perspective.

Read about the three primary modes of influenza transmission. There are direct (think: kissing), aerosol (droplets in the air), and surfaces (doorknobs). By sneezing into your elbow you are controlling what you can. As I said, it primarily survives on surfaces in droplet form. When the droplets dry, it doesn't survive long at all. "But... but... but this says up to 24 hours!" Yep. Which is why you should be spraying droplets in places where they might run out the clock without getting touched. The escaping aerosol is typically infectious for several meters particularly because they have to be small enough to stay aloft and yet they quickly evaporate. Much larger and they don't get to stay airborne in the first place. This is exactly what I described earlier. OBVIOUSLY you want to limit the airborne droplets too, which is why you are supposed to sneeze into your elbow instead of the open air. The HOPE is that whatever gets by will die quickly without infections someone, just like most droplets that float about 5 meters away.

I'm sure you've heard all about why toilet seats are actually quite sanitary, and that's exactly why: the surface provides little to sustain viruses or bacteria once any droplets or particles are wiped off. The surface is dry and cold in contrast to the human body which is more extreme a difference to their natural environment than most infectious microorganisms can take. Just like HIV or whatever else you might be worried about on a toilet seat: cold and flu don't make spores to survive long outside of the body. Yes, perfect conditions can last a long time, which is why we are telling you how to make conditions less than perfect as much as possible.

I EXPECT a droplet to last longer on a door knob than on your hands because your hands will evaporate the droplets (body heat). Transferring to a cold doorknob could actually preserve it longer. This isn't about "maximum time they can possibly survive anywhere," it's about keeping them away from the places where they can readily spread before they die. Simple. Don't sneeze on your hands and then touch doorknobs and telephones and hands and writing utensils and credit cards and gas pumps and... you get the picture by now.

Not only did you quote everything relevant, but it supports everything I said. It survives on door handles and such far longer than on hands, but you are conveniently IGNORING how it gets on a door handle. This is selective interpretation at its finest, folks!

 

[gorcorps]

How do people start fighting in what's essentially a slightly focused nef thread?

1st world problem: went to a thread hoping for entertainment but only found childish bickering =/

 

[Imp]

How do people start fighting in what's essentially a slightly focused nef thread?

1st world problem: went to a thread hoping for entertainment but only found childish bickering =/

Internetting is serious business, hermano.

 

[gorcorps]

Internetting is serious business, hermano.

VERY serious I guess

 

[Ns1]

Had to deal with a bunch of morons pretending to be scientists

 

[shortylickens]

My favorite internet forum turns fun into hate.

 

[CraKaJaX]

"495W closed at exit 49. To avoid delays, seek alternate route."

Do the people who input this shit understand traffic is inevitable? Eta to work is 815. Must have been a bunch of idiots road raging again. Closing the entire expressway is not an easy task.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Or just a moron who can't drive an 18-wheeler in a straight line.

http://longisland.news12.com/news/overturned-tractor-trailer-halts-traffic-on-lie-1.11706840

 

[vi edit]

Time warner said they'd bump my cable speed from 15/1 to 50/5 by the 14th of April. Still at the same speeds. Now they say it's not happening until May 12th. Bastards.

 

[Sonikku]

Time warner said they'd bump my cable speed from 15/1 to 50/5 by the 14th of April. Still at the same speeds. Now they say it's not happening until May 12th. Bastards.

This is also my first world problem, though I'm getting 35/5 and am supposed to get like 100/something.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I got up late, still in night shift mode, takes me a while to get back into a normal routine. Just sat down with a coffee after eating, wanting to enjoy the day.

Get a call from my sister to go assemble a basketball net. Ugh. Why can't they figure these things out on their own? Every time they get something new I'm the one that has to go set it up. RTFM, it can't be that complicated. I told her 5:30 so I can at least finish my coffee. Not like I was doing anything productive, but still.

 

[CraKaJaX]

Time warner said they'd bump my cable speed from 15/1 to 50/5 by the 14th of April. Still at the same speeds. Now they say it's not happening until May 12th. Bastards.

The only thing TWC bumps is your bill. You've been warned. Good luck.

 

[Imp]

I'm looking into Adobe Flash, now Adobe Animate, and they only seem to allow you to purchase a subscription.

Genius business model for them, but they get a finger from me.

 

[Charmonium]

Got a roof rack for my 8 year old car. Finally. It looks ok. Didn't get great reviews but should be adequate for my purposes and it was cheap. So cheap that they didn't bother to include destructions. I can probably figure out how to assemble it since it's not technically rocket surgery, but since if there is a way for me to screw something up, I'll find it, I'd rather have instructions.

 

[Imp]

Got a roof rack for my 8 year old car. Finally. It looks ok. Didn't get great reviews but should be adequate for my purposes and it was cheap. So cheap that they didn't bother to include destructions. I can probably figure out how to assemble it since it's not technically rocket surgery, but since if there is a way for me to screw something up, I'll find it, I'd rather have instructions.

Don't those create crazy drag and fuxxorz fuel efficiency?