What exactly are Democrats afraid of?

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Perknose

2. The Republican Party is so far worse, there is really no comparison. It is a false comparison to just say, "Well, gee, they're both bad." It ignores the titanic and world class social and ideological ignorance and dangerous declasse stupidity of the party that put forth Sarah Palin for national office.

What's funny is that the party that Sarah Palin was running against put forth Joe Biden for Vice President.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: techs
Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

He was also a vegetarian. Your point is...?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Perknose

2. The Republican Party is so far worse, there is really no comparison. It is a false comparison to just say, "Well, gee, they're both bad." It ignores the titanic and world class social and ideological ignorance and dangerous declasse stupidity of the party that put forth Sarah Palin for national office.

What's funny is that the party that Sarah Palin was running against put forth Joe Biden for Vice President.

What's really tragic is the Republicans took a budget surplus and full employment and turned it into massive deficits and layoffs in only 8 years.
And that people STILL advocate for these same Republican policies.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Perknose

2. The Republican Party is so far worse, there is really no comparison. It is a false comparison to just say, "Well, gee, they're both bad." It ignores the titanic and world class social and ideological ignorance and dangerous declasse stupidity of the party that put forth Sarah Palin for national office.

What's funny is that the party that Sarah Palin was running against put forth Joe Biden for Vice President.

What's really tragic is the Republicans took a budget surplus and full employment and turned it into massive deficits and layoffs in only 8 years.
And that people STILL advocate for these same Republican policies.

Here we go with the "Republicans have full and absolute control over every aspect of everything in the country for 8 years" argument. Geez - grow up.

 

[Phokus]

The idea that Democrats are 'afraid' of republicans is quite funny, especially considering the scare mongering that Glenn Beck and the looney right is engaging in right now (THE FEDERAL GUBMIT IS GUNNA TAKE YER GUNS, TAKE YER BUSINESS, TAKE YER MONEY, PUT YOU IN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS BLAH BLAH BLAH)... and you idiots are lapping it all up.

Maybe it's time for the right to start holing themselves up in bunkers with all their weapons before the Obama boogeymen starts rounding you up :laugh:

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: techs
What's really tragic is the Republicans took a budget surplus and full employment and turned it into massive deficits and layoffs in only 8 years.
And that people STILL advocate for these same Republican policies.

Wow, the irony.

Because the truth is, techs, Bush didn't inherit a sound economy as you propose. He inherited the bursting of a bubble, same as Obama. Except he didn't want a recession on his hands, and neither does Obama. So Bush and Greenspan ran up the printing machines, just like Obama and Bernanke. And Bush increased spending and ran up huge deficits, just like Obama. Now, perhaps you can see the irony of your last statement above.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: techs
Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

godwins law you douche

 

[Red Dawn]

What exactly are Democrats afraid of?

Well the Republican Party as it stands today is run by intrusive Social Conservatives, Fundie Monkeys and fat gasbags like Limbaugh and Gingrich. They are probably worse now than when George W. Bush was President and we all now how bad they were when that Dumb Ass was running things (more like being told how to run things)

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

So we can expect Al Gore and the Global Warming youth to seize power any day now.

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Thought you should know.

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Care to explain why. I responded to a FAILed point with an equally FAILed comment to demonstrate its FAILure. If you want to play along, be my guest.

Sorry.

I don't play with dumb arse troll non sequiturs extolling by flatulence their colorectal propaganda.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: bamacre
So my question is, what exactly are you afraid of?

1. Fear itself?
2. That Jon Stewart will run out of jokes?
3. That Texas won't make good on it's threat to secede?
4. That godforbid anything happens to Obama, Biden takes over?
5. That godforbid anything happens to Biden and Pelosi takes over?
6. That gay marriage actually IS a sign of the coming apocalypse??
7. That Hannity, Rush and Beck give up and join the Dems?
8. That Olbermann becomes Press Secretary ala Tony Snow?
9. That Obama "did not have sexual relations" with Hillary?

and the number 10 thing that Democrats are afraid of:

10. Palin Icecapades?

 

[MovingTarget]

I think that they are afraid of their own incompetence....that they won't be able to deliver the changes they promised, say on healthcare, that they have been trying to enact for years. They are afraid of blowing their one chance they have before the pendulum swings back to the right.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I think that they are afraid of their own incompetence....that they won't be able to deliver the changes they promised, say on healthcare, that they have been trying to enact for years. They are afraid of blowing their one chance they have before the pendulum swings back to the right.

I think there is truth here. The dilemma I see is how to stay in office and still bring fundamental change. Look at California. We are a state that believes in magic. We want more and more and also to pay less taxes. Change will hurt people where they live and politicians are afraid of revenge for changing and being voted out if they don't bring change. Easy to start a blame game under those conditions.

Obama will either bring change or the Republicans will be re-elected, unless people like bamacre can get together some third way somebody has heard of and likes.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

So we can expect Al Gore and the Global Warming youth to seize power any day now.

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Thought you should know.

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Care to explain why. I responded to a FAILed point with an equally FAILed comment to demonstrate its FAILure. If you want to play along, be my guest.

Sorry.

I don't play with dumb arse troll non sequiturs extolling by flatulence their colorectal propaganda.

If that were true you wouldn't have replied in the first place.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

The point is quite simple. Many in these forums evoke Hitler or Nazi Germany or fascism when there really is no reason to.

Perhaps it was trollish for me to make a rather silly comment about Al Gore to make that point, but the quality of content as of late seems to be trending in that direction.

 

[Lemon law]

The democrats are not exactly happy to be playing the shitty cards dealt them by the total failure of GWB&co.

Let us face the facts, conservative GOP ideology got everything they had been bellyaching for the past 50 years. And when the result was a economic meltdown, its left the GOP in disarray. Because their theory predicted great results, but when the real world result was a shit sandwich results, it does demand questioning initial GOP theories.

But the point being, the American public wised up to this GOP disparity shortly only shortly after the election of 11/2004. Just because they could not warm up to John Kerry, did not mean they trusted GWB. By the election of 11/2008, the voter's distrust of GWB&co had long ago reached critical mass.

And now the dems also have to look back and wonder, if they had stood up to GWB&co better in the 2 years after the election of 11/2006, would they be playing the shitty set of cards they are playing now?

The dems could have stopped GWB&co when it mattered and did not, and now we are all in a heap of trobs. Woulda coulda shouda, the dems wimped when they could have started turning things around after the election of 11/2006. Its hardly a fine argument for the GOP to say, we out smarted the wimpy democrats in those two years, because the GOP, the dems, and the American people all dine on shit sandwiches now.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The democrats are not exactly happy to be playing the shitty cards dealt them by the total failure of GWB&co.

I am sure FDR was not happy with the Great Depression or WW2 cards dealt to him. I am sure Lincoln was not happy with the Civil War card dealt to him. I am sure Eisenhower was not happy with the Cold War card dealt to him. I am sure Kennedy was not happy with the Vietnam and Cuba cards dealt to him.

Great leaders address the cards dealt to them and manage crisis. Poor leaders make excuses for the cards dealt to them. Which type of leadership will the Democrats provide? Every time they blame Bush for the cards dealt, I fear the latter.

 

[trenchfoot]

Bush, Cheney and their close supporters led our Nation through eight years of lies and deception, and conned and scammed the American public for every second, hour, day and month of those eight years in order to push an agenda that promoted disunity and exclusivity in favor of the very rich and waged blatant class warfare against the middle class and the poor.

Their constituency wholeheartedly supported this agenda even after it became more than obvious that in the pursuit of said agenda Bush and Cheney created a National and world-wide catastrophe that we are now suffering through with no end in sight.

Their agenda has not changed one iota. If anything, it will be dressed up and spiff'ied up to look like a "new directon" had been found when all the while under all that cosmetic artistry that same old failed nag of an agenda will be skulking along looking to fool the American public once more, and my fear is the conspirators that are keeping this agenda alive will once again succeed in bamboozling the American public in order to gouge us ever deeper and deeper into debt and bankruptcy and all of this so they can eventually own every single thing they've been wanting to own.

All these opportunistic crooks need is another excuse, wether planned and perped by them or by "that fickle finger of fate", so they can scare us once more into believing their lies.

 

[alchemize]

Nature abhors a vacuum, and Dave is gone

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Nature abhors a vacuum, and Dave is gone

And so is winnar, I think.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I do not know of any Democrats who are afraid of the Republicans.

I can see people, not just Democrats, being angry, disgusted, etc at the GOP but definitely not scared.

The idea that Democrats are scared of the GOP sounds like more of the self victimization the GOP does.

 

[Munky]

I don't condone the way Bush & co handled the economic problems we are facing, but to say that they (and Republicans in general) are directly responsible for them or letting the Clinton administration completely off the hook is just plain ignorant and biased, IMO. And from the looks of it, Obama & the Dems aren't bringing the change they preached.

 

[BarrySotero]

People are realizing Obama is a radical. The Chinese and others realized it right off the bat and that's why they worried about their money. Americans have such a naive view, they cant accept they might have voted for a Marxist tyrant thinking they were voting for an idealist - so they are stuck in reverbing about Bush. Its spectacular (in a way) to see people excuse Obama's nuclear sized deficits by alluding to Bush's larger but MUCH smaller sums. It's true GOP has lack of direction - but it would be good if Dems only had this same problem. They have a direction alright and its right into poverty and Marxist oppression. When Obama says "You aint seen nothing yet" he means it. When he is secure in his own mind he will really take the mask off. Obama voters voted away the country last fall. They willfully ignored he was a radical. Now they have a Rev Wright "roosting chickens" future ahead of them.

 

[Moonbeam]

I assume, bamacre, since you have some insight into the nature of mirrors, that you are aware that not only do we project on others our own fears, that also what we critique in others is what we critique in ourselves, or to put it more directly, that the reason you can see that Democrats fear their own failures is because you fear your own, or more exactly that your ideological purity, your need to be unsullied by the taint of Democrat or Republican, your need to escape fear, has driven you into the idealism of the third party that will have no real governance in the world and thus not the slightest chance of failure, and that there in your ivory tower of separateness you can throw bombs at us mere mortals who chose to work with the only evils at hand, and that in this fictional place in your head there exists the untested and untestable illusion that if by some miracle unseen, if your party came to power, it would be any different than what we already see. For the one thing you can't escape is that, as you said, "You are them, and they are you."

 

[Bitek]

I think the rapid partisanship is obnoxious on both sides. Gets very tiring and boring reading those posts (I generally don't bother.) Overall is a determent to P&N to anyone other than the handful that like to come on and argue the same exact shit every single day.

Maybe it was funny for a bit after R's got creamed in Nov after all the years gloating about "a perm R majority" and how Dems should "learn how to win elections" (apparently they did) but its nearly June now.

Dancing in the endzone is one thing, but dry-humping the goalpost is another. Time to throw a penalty flag for excessive celebration.

 

[Carmen813]

I don't think fear is the right word.

Honestly, my primary concern with the current state of the Republican party is that they are just pathetic. America needs viable alternative parties, and right now the GOP isn't.In my opinion, the GOP really needs to work hard to separate itself from extremists. There is nothing wrong with holding conservative views (though I would argue about their policies, I don't "hate" them) but guys like Rush and Hannity completely lack the ability to disagree agreeably. Their attitudes, while perhaps entertaining to watch or listen to, are not the kind of individuals I want actually in charge of making laws. I'm afraid their mechanisms of political exchange will become the norm in politics, and thus through their programs they will be able to influence the types of individuals who get elected.