What exactly are Democrats afraid of?

[Fear No Evil]

The democrats are afraid the cash supplies in their freezers is going to run out.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What I find annoying from some republicans is the petty attacks that a select few have decided to make, which is then echoed by the chorus of dittoheads, Hannity watchers, and Fox News patrons. Obama the Communist, Facist and Muslim? RNC calling for the Democratic Party to rename itself the 'Democrat Socialist Party'? All Obama supporters worship him like a diety? C'mon. It just gets old and feigns as actual discussion, when it reality its just childish mud slinging that's gotten old long ago.

I would agree with you...were it not for the wave of editorials, commentaries and other talking heads of the left, to include numerous threads in this very forum, engaging in the same kind of behavior since Obama took the Oval Office.

Similarly, what about the chorus from the left calling Bush a chimp, an idiot, a fascist, etc. Since invading Iraq, the left has fed us what a bumbling idiot W was...that is until people started to ask questions of our Democrat leaders who were in the know on many of the Bush Administration decisions...at which point, they played the "Bush Administration tricked us" card. Bush cannot simultaneously be the worst President in our country's history AND the most clever trickster to ever hold the Oval Office...you guys have your fair share of rhetoric spewing morons, with plenty of mindless drones willing to follow.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Perknose
A few thoughts on the matter:

1. The Democratic Party sucks. It has a huge number of career cover-your-ass bozos in it's elected ranks.

2. The Republican Party is so far worse, there is really no comparison. It is a false comparison to just say, "Well, gee, they're both bad." It ignores the titanic and world class social and ideological ignorance and dangerous declasse stupidity of the party that put forth Sarah Palin for national office.

3. Ron Paul fanboism is a deluded detour to a non-existent nirvana for those who simply can't deal with the almost overwhelming complexity of the a large scale state in today's internecine world. Sorry guys, but your "purity" is that of the eternal dilettante outsider. There are more literal monarchists in England than there are Ron Paul supporters in America, and with good reason.

Tear down your Ayn Rand posters and get over yourselves, there's work to be done.

4. George Bush and Dick Cheney fucked us but good. They left a mess that's not going away anytime soon. Best to roll up your sleeves, pick up a shovel with Obama and the rest of us, leave the holy jihad against gay marriage and other such asshole diversions like crying "socialism, socialism" behind, and lend a hand. We've got a hard stretch of road ahead, and we really need your help.

I think the OP would classify you as being "scared".

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: senseamp
Nothing. Gonna push our agenda, pedal to the metal.

when? because you have a filibuster-proof congress and the white house and it's certainly not happening.

What is not happening? I don't remember anything big being taken off the table as far as agenda.
Healthcare reform is going to be the biggest issue that dwarfs everything else.

 

[Starbuck1975]

George Bush and Dick Cheney fucked us but good. They left a mess that's not going away anytime soon.

Actually, the career cover your ass bozos you mentioned in your first bullet point did their fair share in helping to create the mess.

Best to roll up your sleeves, pick up a shovel with Obama and the rest of us, leave the holy jihad against gay marriage and other such asshole diversions like crying "socialism, socialism" behind, and lend a hand. We've got a hard stretch of road ahead, and we really need your help.

Ah, the populist call to arms. I would surely be the first in line to help once our leaders in Washington come up with a tangible and effective course of action to which I can contribute...are we using the shovels to dig ourselves out of the lovely pile of debt Obama is creating?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Yet lately here at P&N at least there seems to be a sharp increase in, well I'll just say anti-Republican, threads posted.

It's just a game to most people here. Nothing on this board is ever taken seriously by anyone. So why not have fun with it?

 

[Lemon law]

Actually, looking back, there may be no increase in anti republican threads on P&N. But back in the bad ole days, before the election of 11/2006, us dimocrats were the lunatic fringe republirats could ignore, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, the GOP fanbots just notice those thread more as they cringe as they are singed.

 

[jackschmittusa]

I'm an independent and I fall on both sides of the fence on different issues i.e. I support choice and gay marriage, am against stupid gun laws and consider illegal immigrants to be criminals from the git go. I think there are many environmental issues that need attention, but also think there ought to be practical limits on official policy. I support the idea of war in the name of self defense, but detest wars of opportunity or adventure. I think that the dropping of the A bombs on Japan was the correct thing to do, but think the bombing of Dresden was an atrocity.

My biggest fear has nothing to do with political parties (both have serious flaws, although I do believe the Republicans of recent times have been far more flawed). My biggest fear is of the ignorant masses that have been exposed by Bush & Co. these past years. Large numbers of people that can be manipulated with the greatest of ease (60% I think believing an AQ/Iraq collusion just because Cheney and others intentionally used the 2 terms in the same sentence over an over again). Talk of mushroom clouds that generates fear and compliance in a large part of the population. Where Argumentum ad Baculum becomes policy and the weak and fearful succumb. I am afraid that too many people in this country either cannot or will not weigh the merits of what their government presents to them.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

I am neither a Democrat or Republican. I will say one thing though...you cant expect people to not hate the party that completely shit all over this country for 8 years. Plus the fact that more shit continues to leak out in the media about those dark 8 years....

 

[JKing106]

We're afraid the the assholes who fucked us over the last 8 years won't be punished, even though the majority of the American people want them to be. I'm really, really getting tired of this "it'll tarnish the image of the office!" bullshit attitude that started when Ford pardoned Nixon. He should've gone to prison with his henchmen. Ditto for Reagan over the Iran/Contra scandal. Don't hear about that one Fox, do ya? It's time to show the world we hold out leaders accountable, and hold ourselves accountable for their actions by doing something about it.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: JKing106
We're afraid the the assholes who fucked us over the last 8 years won't be punished

That's what you are scared of? Grow a backbone some day. :roll:

Are you up all night because this issue is affecting you so much?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I'm an independent and I fall on both sides of the fence on different issues i.e. I support choice and gay marriage, am against stupid gun laws and consider illegal immigrants to be criminals from the git go. I think there are many environmental issues that need attention, but also think there ought to be practical limits on official policy. I support the idea of war in the name of self defense, but detest wars of opportunity or adventure. I think that the dropping of the A bombs on Japan was the correct thing to do, but think the bombing of Dresden was an atrocity.

My biggest fear has nothing to do with political parties (both have serious flaws, although I do believe the Republicans of recent times have been far more flawed). My biggest fear is of the ignorant masses that have been exposed by Bush & Co. these past years. Large numbers of people that can be manipulated with the greatest of ease (60% I think believing an AQ/Iraq collusion just because Cheney and others intentionally used the 2 terms in the same sentence over an over again). Talk of mushroom clouds that generates fear and compliance in a large part of the population. Where Argumentum ad Baculum becomes policy and the weak and fearful succumb. I am afraid that too many people in this country either cannot or will not weigh the merits of what their government presents to them.

I am afraid of the opposite. I am seeing all these democrats coming out of the wood and 1) writes off everything Bush did 100% and 2) supports what Obama does 150% instead of weighting the merits of individual incident and the actions taken.

Yeah Iraq is complete farce but it doesn't mean that war on terror isn't real and Al-Qaeda didn't attacked the US on 911. And maybe you people forgot how it felt on that day and the horror inflicted by 19 people, I remembered the anger and the sadness, and how just few terrorist can inflict great damage in the US. But looks like people because of their hatred against Bush, they want to reverse and probe everything done under him. They don't care if some of these things are matter of national security, and seem to forget there are still terrorists out there, maybe not in Iraq, but in Pakistan, Afghan, Syria, Africa, or even in Europe and on American soil. And it only take a few people with some planning to kill lots American and cause lots panic.

Yes Bush is a failure overall and there is no worse thing a prsident can do like starting a pre-emptive war and find out the reason is totally wrong and tens of thousands people die because of that. But even the dumbest person will make a few right decisions here and there and you cannot write off everything Bush did. Like you said yourself, you have the weight the merits of what government presented, previous and current admin, on case by case basis.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Perknose
A few thoughts on the matter:

1. The Democratic Party sucks. It has a huge number of career cover-your-ass bozos in it's elected ranks.

2. The Republican Party is so far worse, there is really no comparison. It is a false comparison to just say, "Well, gee, they're both bad." It ignores the titanic and world class social and ideological ignorance and dangerous declasse stupidity of the party that put forth Sarah Palin for national office.

3. Ron Paul fanboism is a deluded detour to a non-existent nirvana for those who simply can't deal with the almost overwhelming complexity of the a large scale state in today's internecine world. Sorry guys, but your "purity" is that of the eternal dilettante outsider. There are more literal monarchists in England than there are Ron Paul supporters in America, and with good reason.

Tear down your Ayn Rand posters and get over yourselves, there's work to be done.

4. George Bush and Dick Cheney fucked us but good. They left a mess that's not going away anytime soon. Best to roll up your sleeves, pick up a shovel with Obama and the rest of us, leave the holy jihad against gay marriage and other such asshole diversions like crying "socialism, socialism" behind, and lend a hand. We've got a hard stretch of road ahead, and we really need your help.

Haha, I laughed. I almost wanted to reply to the OP with "This message brought to you by the Ron Paul Political Action Committee". Wait, I just did.

 

[Turin39789]

dragons

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You have to remember that P&N is a collection of a lot of polar opposites and few moderates. People like me want to see the complete and total destruction of the Republican party.

So you admit you are one of those fringe lunatics that so many of us despise?

I don't think either party is essential to the country personally...they could be replaced and shit would be the same no big deal

political party is just a fancy name for clique.

they're going to exist no matter what happens and will be somewhat a reflection of the nation's political landscape.

jpeyton has a hard time accepting diversity and the fact that people who think differently than him might in fact not be demons.

loki, everytime I read a post of yours, I'm glad I did.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You have to remember that P&N is a collection of a lot of polar opposites and few moderates. People like me want to see the complete and total destruction of the Republican party.

:thumbsup:

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Perknose
4. George Bush and Dick Cheney fucked us but good. They left a mess that's not going away anytime soon. Best to roll up your sleeves, pick up a shovel with Obama and the rest of us, leave the holy jihad against gay marriage and other such asshole diversions like crying "socialism, socialism" behind, and lend a hand. We've got a hard stretch of road ahead, and we really need your help.

I'd be more likely to agree if Obama's 'fix' wasn't just to dig the debt hole deeper. Making the deficits of the last 8 years look like chump change is hardly a solution I can get behind. Is Obama destroying the village in order to save it?

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You have to remember that P&N is a collection of a lot of polar opposites and few moderates. People like me want to see the complete and total destruction of the Republican party.

I want to see the complete and total destruction of you.

+1

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
You have to remember that P&N is a collection of a lot of polar opposites and few moderates. People like me want to see the complete and total destruction of the Republican party.

Because one-party rule has worked so well in the past!

 

[techs]

Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

 

[heyheybooboo]

More anti-Republican threads ???

I'm not really seeing it - at least until the number of "" Did Obama target opposition donors in Chrysler dealers "" threads, ripped directly from the Blogoshere of O-U-T-R-A-G-E, decline.

I imagine there are some threads coming from the lefty blogs but they are easily less than half of what is ripped from Freeper Land, World Nut Daily, Clown Hall and Faux News.

Pillars of Objectivity be they ???

 

[Starbuck1975]

Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

So we can expect Al Gore and the Global Warming youth to seize power any day now.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Hitler had just suffered an electoral defeat shortly before he seized power.

So we can expect Al Gore and the Global Warming youth to seize power any day now.

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Thought you should know.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I gotta tell yah - whatever your point is - it's Failing.

Care to explain why. I responded to a FAILed point with an equally FAILed comment to demonstrate its FAILure. If you want to play along, be my guest.

 

[lokiju]

I find it interesting how so many people in our country look at other people as a group or in a container and when the classification doesn't fit theirs they automatically don't like that person because of what their perceived notions are of them.

I see a lot of this on this forum, so much hate and anger towards republicans from some devout democrats and devout republicans towards democrats as well.

In reality one person that voted for Obama and another that voted for McCain could and often do have so much in common with their beliefs and views that it's almost hard to understand that other than one calling theirself a democrat and the other calling theirself a Republican, there's really not a whole lot of differences as far as ideals go, with the exception of maybe a few points.

It's become a push now for some time, it almost seems, to wedge and divide people for the sole purpose of winning votes and has nothing anymore to do with actual principals or for desire of helping the country as a whole. It's just all about power and control, from both sides.

There's a excerpt from the end of a book by Orson Scott Card where he makes some comments on his POV and I'll quote some of it.

Any rational observer has to see that the Left and Right in America are screaming the most vile accusations at each other all the time. We are fully polarized-if you accept one idea that sounds like it belongs to either the blue or the red, you are assumed-nay, required-to espouse the entire rest of the package, even though there is no reason why supporting the war against terrorism should imply you're in favor of banning all abortions and against restricting the availability of firearms; no reason why being in favor of keeping government-imposed limits on the free market should imply you also are in favor of giving legal status to homosexual couples and against building nuclear reactors. These issues are not remotely related, and yet if you hold any of one group's views, you are hated by the other group as if you believed them all; and if you hold most of one group's views, but not all, you are treated as if you were a traitor for deviating even slightly from the party line.

Just my $00.02