Well I can ASSURE you my problem is not a user error. While I have no actual experience using an ATI card I have a big computer hardware/software background. I do know how to follow manufacturer directions. The only question now is if I give this card another try? Where can I download Driver Cleaner and Cab Cleaner? I DO KNOW I can install a Nvidia card and it will work right the first time in most cases.
GFo over to [l] Rage3d.com[/l] the whole board is ATI just about
sorry bout the link they have much knowlege about the Radeons
sorry bout the link they have much knowlege about the Radeons
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Driver Cleaner 1.8 ,btw instructions on how to use them are in the readme file once you`ve unzipped them.
Thanks for the tips , I'm going to give this another shot today. Hopefully everything works better.
Its not ATIs job to clear up nvidias stuff. Its nvidias job.
Why would they include a utility to do it. The drivers provide what they are labled as, Drivers. No more. Becides you dont see nvidia bundling uninstallers with their drivers.
You claim that you know how to install a video card propely, but in this case, it shows that you dont. The reason that a new nvidia card will work, is becuase its overwriting old nvidia enteries with new ones, where as when you install a new ATI card in a nvidia cards place, it isnt replacing anything. And so, you blame ATI for nvidias cock up.
You are just acting like 90% of nVidia owners who switch to ATI, you are just being irrational and blaming everything on ATI, when its the users fault.
IMO, you are just being an impacient jerk. Just cos something doesnt work strait away is no reason to throw a hissy fit.
And as CrystalBay said, its more human error than hardware/software error. Even if you dont want to admit it.
Use your common sence for gods sake, REINSTALL WINDOWS, it probably needs a good clean out anyway, and there is no better way than a reinstall to do that. Like i said, you claim to be able to install a video card, now put this claim into practice, and then tell us all that the 9800 is crap after you`ve done a reinstall.
If anything ive said offends you, then i apologise, but people who think without reason and are quick to blame someone when its not their fault, really piss me off.
If it doesnt work using driver cleaner, then dont panic. Backup all your importent stuff somewhere, and do a format & reinstall. Or, make a bootdisk, boot into dos, and delete the windows directory and the program files directory. That`ll leave the rest of your drive for you to put backups of saves & work.
Your WRONG and I'll tell you why! If having old Nvidia drivers still on the hard drive causes this much of a problem with the ATI installs then ATI clearly needs to bundle something to remove the drivers. I NEVER hear about any problems with people installing a NVIDIA card and having old ATI drivers causing a problem. Keep in mind that I'm NOT talking about just uninstalling the driver. It may be true that Nvidias drivers are not totally uninstalling, BUT its ATI's responsibility to the CUSTOMER to add a utility to remove these IF its causing this much of a problem. Your entitled to your opinion BUT I'm much more experienced in computers than the average user and I'm having major problems. What would happen if say your Mom or Dad decided to buy this video card at Best Buy or CompUSA. They would say screw it after the first day and return it. BTW, why would NVIDIA care if there leftover drivers caused a problem with an ATI install. Obviously they wouldn't and they WILL NOT try and fix it. BTW, do you really need to resort to NAME CALLING? I'd think you could be a little bit more GROWN UP about this to have to resort to that! I'm not here to get in a pissing contest with you, I'm just trying to get this video card to work. If it hurts your feelings that ATI has some issues then thats too bad. I assume you own a ATI card. Its funny you say 90% of all former Nvidia owners that switch to ATI complain about this, wouldn't you actually think that there might be something to this?
I can't agree with you 100% because there is no way ATI can keep up minute by minute with each new revision of Nvidia drivers. Nvidia should use the Windows standard for Uninstall plain and simple. anything beyond that is their responsibility. how is ATI supposed to know prerelease everything that the Nvidia driver will do to an OS??
from a marketing standpoint your right, onus is on ATI, but from a technical standpoint, what Nvidia is doing is holding OS's hostage to their drivers.
from a marketing standpoint your right, onus is on ATI, but from a technical standpoint, what Nvidia is doing is holding OS's hostage to their drivers.
1) It is not in any way ATIs responsability to clear up nvidias mess. There is no way around this. And if nvidia were the all mighty company you make them out to be, then they would be bothered, rarther than leaving stuff that messed ATIs drivers up, leaving ATI to bare the blame.
2) nVidia drivers dont have the problem cos ATI drivers dont fcuk up the system by leaving old driver remenents behind.
3) I hear loads of nvidia problems but they dont get blown out of proportion like ATIs do.
4) You may very well be more experianced than the average user in computing. But i am not an average user and can probably teach you about computing, especially in graphic matters and gfx drivers.
5) If you bothered reading my post, rarther than having selective reading patterns, then you would notice that i apologised for the name calling, and explained about why i did it.
6) I have alot of experiance with nvidia cards, my 9700pro is the first ATI card ive owned. My previous 6 cards were nvidias ones. So i think i know what im on about.
7) We`ve all try to explain why your having the problem, but you are too stubern to listen. I had the same problem, and a re-install fixed it for me.
8) nVidia should be blamed for the problem not ATI. When will people realise this?
Used the drive cleaner program and installed the Omega 3.5's and it worked.
Now very Happy with my new Radeon 9800 Pro
Games never looked so sweet.
Thanks for the info
Now very Happy with my new Radeon 9800 Pro
Games never looked so sweet.
Thanks for the info
dirtrat
Just get the driver cleaner program and use it, you don't need to re-install windows. It's not that hard, and it works. You will be very happy with the ATI card after you properly clean out the old nvidia drivers.
Just a little rant here... I have owned 3 different brands of 3d cards over the years, and in my experience, the one and only nvidia card I owned was the biggest piece of crap I ever put in my machine. Every single time I installed a new game, I had to do a weeks worth or research and tweaking to get it to run. Their drivers were the WORST. The card was a tnt2 ultra and once I got everything set right, it ran great. So I guess it wasn't really the cards fault, just the crappy drivers. Before that card I owned 3dfx cards, and now I use ati cards. Have never had any problems with these, especially the 3dfx. Too bad they had to hang themselves, their cards were the best.
Just get the driver cleaner program and use it, you don't need to re-install windows. It's not that hard, and it works. You will be very happy with the ATI card after you properly clean out the old nvidia drivers.
Just a little rant here... I have owned 3 different brands of 3d cards over the years, and in my experience, the one and only nvidia card I owned was the biggest piece of crap I ever put in my machine. Every single time I installed a new game, I had to do a weeks worth or research and tweaking to get it to run. Their drivers were the WORST. The card was a tnt2 ultra and once I got everything set right, it ran great. So I guess it wasn't really the cards fault, just the crappy drivers. Before that card I owned 3dfx cards, and now I use ati cards. Have never had any problems with these, especially the 3dfx. Too bad they had to hang themselves, their cards were the best.
Wow, this thread blew up over the weekend.
Dirtrat,
Do the driver cleaner and report back please. I know you are upset and I would be as well. Just stay calm and give it a shot
I think WHEN it works you will be happy that you have the fastest card on the market for less than the competition.
Dirtrat,
Do the driver cleaner and report back please. I know you are upset and I would be as well. Just stay calm and give it a shot
I think WHEN it works you will be happy that you have the fastest card on the market for less than the competition.
Let's be clear about this. It's technically *not* ATi's responsibility to clean up after nVidia (assuming nV's drivers don't uninstall fully), but it would make great business sense to integrate some sort of search-and-destroy-old-drivers functionality in order to avoid the kind of experience dirtrat had (assuming it's happening with relative frequency).
But, like I said, I think I performed the trickiest swap (integrated nVidia graphics with upgraded drivers via Windows Update to ATi card), and it went flawlessly, so I'm OK with both companies for now in terms of drivers.
Originally posted by: Pete
Let's be clear about this. It's technically *not* ATi's responsibility to clean up after nVidia (assuming nV's drivers don't uninstall fully), but it would make great business sense to integrate some sort of search-and-destroy-old-drivers functionality in order to avoid the kind of experience dirtrat had (assuming it's happening with relative frequency).
But, like I said, I think I performed the trickiest swap (integrated nVidia graphics with upgraded drivers via Windows Update to ATi card), and it went flawlessly, so I'm OK with both companies for now in terms of drivers.
what's funny is when an NVidia card has problems with ATI drivers not being fully installed the people post on here assuming it is there own fault, when ATI has the same problems with NVidia drivers, it's all ATI's fault.
the driver differences between Nvidia and ATI is more perception than reality.
You`ve hit that one right on the head there.
I`ve been arguing that point in several threads over the months, but people here are too stubern and set in their ways to understand/admit this.
I gave this a shot again tonight but no luck. I first uninstalled my Video drivers then restarted in Safe Mode. I used the driver cleaner AND Cab cleaner and removed ATI and Nvidia drivers. Restarted again and let Windows redetect my ATI card. canceled the Auto Detect install and manually installed the latest drivers from ATI. Restarted computer again but still no go. Whats odd is I get VERY BADLY CORRUPTED video even in Pre-Post and when in the BIOS. I'm talking about LARGE vertical black bars, corupted text, rainbow colors, flashing colors and even had my Monitor lose Sync two times saying "No Input" when I was at the desktop. I'm beginning to wonder if its possible that I have a bad card? I have no PCI cards installed. my Power supply is a Antec Truepower 330, and I changed the power supply connector on my Video card to another connector just to make sure. I'm really frustrated and at a loss to what the problem could be. When I reinstall My PNY GF4 4200 my system is happy again like nothing ever happened. The PNY card is being ran at 8X AGP and its also a 128 Meg card. I tried the above twice just to make sure I did everything right. Any more suggestions?
Its probably a bad card. RMA it or take it back to where you brought it for a replacement.
My TFT occasionally looses the signal, but not all the while though.
My TFT occasionally looses the signal, but not all the while though.
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