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What does Zen need to be in order to get you to buy it?

I will tell you this,

I have a Core i7 3770K OverClocked to 4.44GHz since June 2012, that is more than 4 years now.

In order to upgrade my system I want

1. At least 50% or 2x (double will be preferable) more Threads
2. At the same or higher IPC
3. At the same or higher Clocks (default or able to OC)
4. At the same or lower power
5. And at the same or lower price (300 Euros).

I dont care if it is AMD or Intel, I just want it next year since my system will become 5 years old. This charade with Quad Cores + 5-10% higher IPC at the same price for 6 years needs to stop.
 
DeathReborn said:
As fast as my current 4770K @ 4.8GHz (faster in MT of course).
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Then be ready for disappointing! %40 More IPC than Excavator does mean around Ivy bridge's IPC.I'm sure due to LLP , Zen won't reach 4.2Ghz So can not beat Core i7 4770 at 4.8GHz.

According to AMD Slide , Cinebench R11.5 for A12-9800 is 1.21( Link = PCPER) so 40% = 1.694 now If we look at cpu-monkey , almost equal to Core i5-6400 But Core i7-4770K = 1.75

So Hold Your Breath! I'm sure It can match Ivy bridge 3770K which is still decent value.Zen Only can Beat Intel in MT score.
 
I game on 60hz 4k screen and also getting 60fps in the future is what decides what to buy. Now i am on 4ghz 4c ib.
Nothing above 100w tdp will do. I guess its mainly about how games evolves and how dx12 and vulcan is used.
Some ground up dx12 designed games that demands a lot of cpu grunt. Ipc is clearly stagnating so there is no way around more cores as i see it.
I dont care what name is on the processor and i guess i wouldnt upgrade for anything less than 100% perf uplift. And thats a bare minimum. Would prefer like 16 zen plus cores on 7nm or some intel equivalent 8 cores plus on 10 or 7 nm.
 
Faster at gaming than the ~$400 Intel CPU. I've got a 4790k and I'm honestly not expecting to upgrade it for Kaby Lake unless I can get a 30%+ performance increase.
 
Having an old 2500k, I want something like the 5820k (I will not even say the 6800k mind you), with better overclocking and better power draw.

The problem is that I want the cpu+decent mobo combo, to be 100 euros less than the 5820k+decent mobo combo.

The fact is that I would be perfectly happy with a 6700k+decent mobo, which are already 100 euros cheaper, bu they are missing two cores, which I'd rather not lose.

I can wait for zer for sure, but if they screw up, I will just go for a 7700k or whatever is out by then.
 
Something unobtainable given the current foundry situation and AMD's finances/market position/staffing! Otherwise, the sky will fall and AMD will die.

Seriously, though, it needs to offer a 25% IPC boost over Piledriver as well as the ability to get to 4 GHz with sane voltage. Since AMD is promising 40% over Excavator the only question is clocks.

There is no doubt it will be cheaper than Intel's offerings in similar categories.

Now, if I could have whatever I like I'd like an L4 cache. I do expect Summit Ridge to be unlocked and soldered.

The ability to do hardware-accelerated H.265 encoding with the full quality array of settings available (not sub-par quality as happened with GPU-based H.264 encoding) would also be welcome but I expect that would be on an APU.

For Zen+ AVX-512 would be a good idea.
 
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I don't think I would buy anyting new unless it's substantially faster than my 4690k. Oh, and it need a better m.2 implementation than my current motherboard, but that shouldn't be too hard...
 
At least same gaming ipc as my current 3770k, @ 4.3ghz minimum. or if it can have that on lower frequency. 125w max tdp although i don't really care about that since i pay for my bills myself. and 350$ max for 6c/12t cpu.


but honestly i'm waiting for zen apu, 4c/8t cpu with 1-15tflops of Gcn 5 gpu. it will be a perfect light work+ casual gaming+ vr video setup. hoping it will cost 350$ max.
 
AtenRa said:
I will tell you this,

I have a Core i7 3770K OverClocked to 4.44GHz since June 2012, that is more than 4 years now.

In order to upgrade my system I want

1. At least 50% or 2x (double will be preferable) more Threads
2. At the same or higher IPC
3. At the same or higher Clocks (default or able to OC)
4. At the same or lower power
5. And at the same or lower price (300 Euros).

I dont care if it is AMD or Intel, I just want it next year since my system will become 5 years old. This charade with Quad Cores + 5-10% higher IPC at the same price for 6 years needs to stop.
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Really? For sure you can get #1, #2 and #3 for sure from intel, maybe from Zen, good luck with 4 and especially with 5.
 
DrMrLordX said:
You'll be pining for CMT in 2026.
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No, Multi-level Clustered Multitheading or simply Multistar is the way to go. It is no surprise who got that under patent, *cough*Intel*cough* and is also buying the company that implemented it, *cough*Soft Machines*cough*.

SMT is so last generation, Multistar and its parent CMT is current generation.
 
It would need to be another Athlon 64 X2 compared to Intels' Pentium D performance wise.
25% faster than a 6700k@ 4.5 @ 120 watts to make me want to change platforms.

If you have anything faster than a 2500k overclocked, I don't see a reason to buy a new cpu anyway.
 
If It can harness the innate ability to outperform intel's top consumer processor. Although I'm not sure if I would really buy it to be honest.
 
If I am dreaming a little bit ,
-4C/8T - 2500K performance but 150-200 euro and actually a price i can buy it for not the MSRP in some far far away place called USA ;p
-4C/8T - 80% performance of 6700K 250 euro

I wonder if it won't launch 8C/16T with nothing lower then 999 euro ;p
 
Honestly I feel burned by purchasing an fx6300 a couple years ago. The machine has had many failures, all were warrantee and they were all motherboards but regardless AMD can't keep playing in the super low cost bracket without corners being cut.
Zen would need to be priced attractively but not tock bottom, needs good performance best isn't necessary but close second is necessary, I'd also have to wait to have it proven to me the motherboards are not garbage and I'd like something special about Zen like 8 physical cores.
 
For me to personally buy it, it would have to be substantially faster at compiling code (mostly c++) than my current setup without being too expensive to justify buying it. I could do a lot better today than my current system, but I just can't justify the cost for the benefit. Code compiling is very parallelizable, branchy integer load, so assuming the prices stay reasonable, my target might be a lot more reachable than those of other people.
 
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