What does it mean to be a "man"? Are there no "real men" left?

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JMapleton

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There's a couple hundred thousand "real men" putting their ass on the line in the middle east that would barely fit OP's description.

Same goes for farmers.
And construction workers.
And millions of other "real" men that will never fit the OP's microscopic, materialistic view.

Real men don't work to hoard trinkets. They work to provide for and protect their families.

Like the previous poster, you also missed my point. My examples of what real men own is not to imply you need to own something to be a man, it's the possession being a reflection of the inner person.

As far as military members, yes there is no shortage of real men there. I could not possible generalize such a large group of people, but I know for a fact many of them join for very brave and heroic reasons and they do their jobs with class and dignity.
 

Terzo

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Then you're in the perfect situation for a pansy-ass metrosexual.

Sarcasm?
Or are you seriously implying that those who don't own a house or car aren't "real men"? People may not choose to pursue home ownership for good reasons. Some may have an unsteady job, or have yet to "settle down". Owning a house is a large investment that they may not be willing to make. Others may find it financially irresponsible and live in an apartment out of necessity.
While owning a car is certainly cheaper, there are still people who cant justify the expense and rely on public transport. People who live in large cities may find a car a hassle rather than a benefit. Parking may not be readily available whereas many or all of the services they need are within walking distance or easily accessed with public transit.
 

JMapleton

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O'rly? I thought this was the hallmark of the metrosexual.

To buy a proper suit? That makes you a metrosexual? No to dress like you've "never been nowhere," is the hallmark is a child, hence my "man-child" argument. A "boy" doesn't know how to pick out a proper suit. Men's Warehouse is a popular place for prom tuxes, this only proves my point.
 

JMapleton

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Real men step up. If there is a noise in the house or outside they go investigate. They are the protectors.

Agreed.

Real Men take initiative and get things done.

Agreed.

This is all opinion, everyone knows this.

Of course, that's why I said I respect everyone's opinion and went as far to ask for others' opinions. If I was absolutely right, I wouldn't be asking anyone else for their opinion.
 
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To buy a proper suit? That makes you a metrosexual? No to dress like you've "never been nowhere," is the hallmark is a child, hence my "man-child" argument. A "boy" doesn't know how to pick out a proper suit. Men's Warehouse is a popular place for prom tuxes, this only proves my point.

Okay I'm Done with this thread.
 

waggy

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this is a stupid thread.

dress? who fucking cares how a person dress's? you want to knock someone for wearing jeans and a shirt? or wearing athletic shorts and shirt? are you fucking nuts?

clothing is nothing more then a dressing. Why should i get in my suit when im going to help someone on the farm? or work on my car? etc.

if im going to go play basketball, baseball or such i want something that is appropriate.


car? really you are still baseing a person off the car they drive? thats fucking childish. a car does not make a person a man or not.

the whole OP's post is fail from start to bottom. When you get to be a real man you will understand its not about how you dress, what you drive or your education that makes you a man. Until then you are going to continue to be a boy even when you are a grown adult.
 

KGB

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Being a man is accepting the responsibilities and consequences of your own actions and decisions.
 

waggy

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A real man can: change a tire, change the oil on his car, do minor electrical, plumbing, carpentry work as needed for his house - regardless of what kind of house or car he has. If you can't do these simple things (and this is just a start) then you're still a boy.

i disagree.

a good friend of mine's dad couldn't change a tire, his oil or do any electrical or plumbing in his house. What he did though is bust his ass 8-10 hours a day to provide food and shelter for his family. He was also a good father. spending time with his kids and teaching them right from wrong. going to dance recitals and sporting events.

he was married for 40+ years before he died.

i would define that as a man.
 

MJinZ

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i disagree.

a good friend of mine's dad couldn't change a tire, his oil or do any electrical or plumbing in his house. What he did though is bust his ass 8-10 hours a day to provide food and shelter for his family. He was also a good father. spending time with his kids and teaching them right from wrong. going to dance recitals and sporting events.

he was married for 40+ years before he died.

i would define that as a man.

A domesticated one maybe.

All men should learn to be physically capable. You know the women in your lives aren't going to be doing it.
 

waggy

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A domesticated one maybe.

All men should learn to be physically capable. You know the women in your lives aren't going to be doing it.

by that logic then very very few here would be real men. i bet 90% here if had to gather or hunt would starve.
 

JMapleton

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A domesticated one maybe.

All men should learn to be physically capable. You know the women in your lives aren't going to be doing it.

That's less "being able to fix a car" and more "being self reliant." A real man learns or attempts to do things for themselves, as opposed to relying on other people.
 

JMapleton

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the whole OP's post is fail from start to bottom. When you get to be a real man you will understand its not about how you dress, what you drive or your education that makes you a man. Until then you are going to continue to be a boy even when you are a grown adult.

When you actually read the thread before posting, you will understand I was not basing manhood on what you drive or how you dress, but using that as a indication of the personality of a person. A person who dresses childishly, is probably childish themselves. A person with a vile car probably has a vile attitude.
 

waggy

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When you actually read the thread before posting, you will understand I was not basing manhood on what you drive or how you dress, but using that as a indication of the personality of a person. A person who dresses childishly, is probably childish themselves. A person with a vile car probably has a vile attitude.

again you are basing how they dress or drive on how they are where it does not matter.
 

MJinZ

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by that logic then very very few here would be real men. i bet 90% here if had to gather or hunt would starve.

Physically capable? I'm talking being HANDY, not regressive. Food is plentiful and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. Being handy on the other hand is being able to be at ease and capable with the environment we ARE dealt with, that's basically knowing how to do home improvements if you own a home (or just learning), basic car stuff if you own a car (Youtube it, it's not rocket science), fix your own computer etc.

Sure, you can hire someone to do these things until you find there's no one else around you that can do it.
 

Nintendesert

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Exactly. :p

Really though most sounds are nothing... and don't need investigation.

And the ones that do the police are better able to handle, well unless you have a gun.
But given that in this country you can be sued by the person that was trying to rob you for all your worth and win even... it's shoot to kill or not shoot at all.



I'm not sure where you're from or what they teach you, but whenever you shoot at someone the intent is to kill them. D:
 

tcsenter

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again you are basing how they dress or drive on how they are where it does not matter.
Really? So someone who likes to dress in a Nazi SS uniform does so because they think its really fashionable?

Similarly, nobody tries to emulate the LOOK of biker gangs, ethnic urban gangs (e.g. rappers), heavily tattood ex-cons and felons who did hard time, and others because they like the STYLE. On some level or another, the CULTURE appeals to them as well (i.e. criminality and antisocial behavior).

In that way, yes, you can tell a lot about a person by the CULTURE they find appealing or attempt to emulate through their appearance or image.
 

duragezic

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The Neutered Man by Wranglerbarn

Intersting video. I don't agree with it all but some good points. But obviously's he's a sort of old school guy really into doing things yourself, trades, etc.

I'm nowhere near like him but I do think it's funny his story about the guys thinking it's too dangerous to clean gutters. :D;

edit: I was thinking of another video. This is the one:

3 Dimensional Man by Wranglerbarn
 
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Jeff7181

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I feel like a big child. I'm a single 28 year old. I have 2-door car. I have a motorcycle. I like computers and video games. I find "that's what she said" jokes amusing.

I guess I'm not a man. Oh well, I'm gonna go play Forza Motorsport 3...
 

HamburgerBoy

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I'm 130lbs, have a borderline emo haircut, talk with a high-pitched near-lisp when conversing with those more masculine, can perform only the most trivial of maintenance, and drive a light blue Mazda Miata. How manly am I? :awe:
 

Xstatic1

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these are the 3 best posts :):

A real man can: change a tire, change the oil on his car, do minor electrical, plumbing, carpentry work as needed for his house - regardless of what kind of house or car he has. If you can't do these simple things (and this is just a start) then you're still a boy.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=real+man

A true man can best be described as rugged and that does not have any fears. A man has a good deal amount of knowledge about tools, cars, the outodoors, knows how to act around women by being a gentlemen, but is not always serious and can have fun with them. Men financially provide for others and themselves and are overall responsible. Men are clean, well groomed, and can have a very short beard to portray that image of ruggedness. True men do not think about themselves. They do not always think about sex. They stand up for what they believe, take responsibility for their actions, help others, they are self confident, physically stong and in shape, have a sense of humor, generous, honest, and are considerate. They provide a sense of security. Men are brave and do not need to show off for their friends nor do their sway their opinions because of their friends. Now even if you are biologically a man, this does not mean you fit my definition of all the components of what a real man is.
A "Real Man" would be like the Brawny paper towel mascot. He has that image of outdoors, strength, confidence, and ruggedness, but what about his character?

what makes a man a man is not the clothes he wears, nor is it the car he drives or the house he owns. all the crap is material bullshit that doesn't matter. someone who leads, who takes risks, who is not content to let life pass him by, someone who makes the most outta every opportunity given to him, who tries and fails but at the very least tries, but keeps on trying. That my friend is a man, it sounds to me u have no idea what it takes to be a man.
 

Bignate603

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When you actually read the thread before posting, you will understand I was not basing manhood on what you drive or how you dress, but using that as a indication of the personality of a person. A person who dresses childishly, is probably childish themselves. A person with a vile car probably has a vile attitude.

Yes, because you can always know a book by its cover. :rolleyes:

A guy can wear, drive or live in whatever he wants. If he still steps up and does what is needed to take care of the people that rely on him he's a man. There are plenty of ways to do that, so there's no single set of qualifications that you can stack a guy up against.
 
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I think fashion is the bane of civilization. It contributes only ills to society. Other than that I'm fine with what you say.