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*What does Coach Fox Say?!* Official NFL Week 12 Thread

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smackababy said:
I think the refs made a call as they saw it on the field. It looks like a bad hit, and if it was only seen from the back or possibly sides, it looked like a hit to the neck. Now, the NFL fining him is fucking stupid. Watching the replay and seeing what actually happened shows clearly it wasn't an illegal hit.

Brees can cry a river and "know it was a penalty". Yeah, I knew it was a penalty as soon as it happened as well; you could clearly tell because a QB that had a large contract got touched by some brigand on the other team.


I wish a player would refuse the fine. If it were me, I'd tell them "Kick me out of the league then. It wasn't a bad hit, and I am not paying for doing what you told me to do."
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Exactly, and I am not blaming the refs, though...its the NFL for issuing a fine.

Ray Lewis better pony up 8 grand because he did say he'll pay half.

The last thing the NFL needs is Brees going down. This stinks of collusion because the owners have clearly gotten together with the Commish's office and have agreed to not let star QBs go down, even at the expense of hosing the game and others players.

We have Bradford, Rogers, Cutler, P Manning nearly going down last week, Locker, and a few others that are out, or was close to being out (including Brees) and it isn't a coincidence that they're going to tighten the rules during the offseason in the same year big time players are out.

Ever since the Brady rule, it has just snowballed.
 
Rob M. said:
Exactly, and I am not blaming the refs, though...its the NFL for issuing a fine.

Ray Lewis better pony up 8 grand because he did say he'll pay half.

The last thing the NFL needs is Brees going down. This stinks of collusion because the owners have clearly gotten together with the Commish's office and have agreed to not let star QBs go down, even at the expense of hosing the game and others players.

We have Bradford, Rogers, Cutler, P Manning nearly going down last week, Locker, and a few others that are out, or was close to being out (including Brees) and it isn't a coincidence that they're going to tighten the rules during the offseason in the same year big time players are out.

Ever since the Brady rule, it has just snowballed.
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Right! The refs are just doing as they are told. They are not the ones at fault.

But if you really look at what has happened since the focus on "player safety", it seems like there are more serious injuries. Sure less people are getting hurt for a play or two but there are many more season and sometimes career ending injuries.

You have 6'5, 6'7" 350 pound defensive players hitting 5'10, 6'0" 200 pound offensive players. The laws of physics say the offensive guys are going to take the brunt of it. That's why they have been paid more in the past, because they expected shorter careers. Now we the The Commish trying to make it so the defensive guys can't hurt the offensive guys. It just can't happen. Even if they changed to 2 hand touch, the sheer size of the defensive guys running into an offensive guy makes it impossible.

If they really want the game to be safer, start taking away pads. Start with the facemask, helmet, shoulder pads...take away the weapons you have given every player. Make them feel the hits too. Telling them to hit lower does not solve the problem. Fining them after the fact doesn't solve the problem. The Commish needs to pull his head out of his ass and consult with someone that actually knows what they are talking about instead of listening to owners and Prima Donna QB's.


/soap box
 
EagleKeeper said:
Until Sunday; he had the best team record in the league. Now there are three teams with a 9-1; and they are concerned?

One slip and adios. In that case; there should be at least 4 other teams firing coaches after a loss to a team with a 9 win record last week or to Seattle this week.

KC should have waited until the second game to see if lessons learned would apply.
All but ensures that Denver will win the rematch when the management has no faith in the team that was built.
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Parody, dude, parody :biggrin:
 
guys...just got back from 2 weeks in the future.

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zinfamous said:
I read that as him talking about "the flag" for the hit, not so much the fine.

I agree with the penalty; the fine is bullshit.
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I know he's talking about the flag, not the fine. It's one thing to piss and moan on the field about trying to get a call (which a LOT of QB's do), it's another matter entirely to take that same mindset during an interview.
 
EagleKeeper said:
Until Sunday; he had the best team record in the league. Now there are three teams with a 9-1; and they are concerned?

One slip and adios. In that case; there should be at least 4 other teams firing coaches after a loss to a team with a 9 win record last week or to Seattle this week.

KC should have waited until the second game to see if lessons learned would apply.
All but ensures that Denver will win the rematch when the management has no faith in the team that was built.
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RPD said:
Not sure if serious...
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Atomic Playboy said:
It's a satirical article EK.
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AMDZen said:
Ummmmm, yea, you might want to try reading that again as you would an Onion article

http://profootballmock.com/frustrat...ers-if-hell-ever-see-patriots-win-super-bowl/

This one is even more hilarious
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I was serious in the fact that I was unaware that it was a satire site.

Joke is on me :wub:
 
RPD said:
I know he's talking about the flag, not the fine. It's one thing to piss and moan on the field about trying to get a call (which a LOT of QB's do), it's another matter entirely to take that same mindset during an interview.
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But saying "oh, I got hit hard. I knew it was a penalty!" is pretty stupid. This is the NFL, not powder puff, everyone that touches the ball is going to get hit hard.
 
smackababy said:
But saying "oh, I got hit hard. I knew it was a penalty!" is pretty stupid. This is the NFL, not powder puff, everyone that touches the ball is going to get hit hard.
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That's what you think, but that's not true, we all know it. The QBs are being protected, probably too much IMO. You can barely touch a QB without getting a flag or a fine.
 
Pocatello said:
That's what you think, but that's not true, we all know it. The QBs are being protected, probably too much IMO. You can barely touch a QB without getting a flag or a fine.
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I'm somewhat hoping for Nike to design jerseys for QBs with hitting zones that have some sort of color change or reaction when touched.
 
Zin suggested I post the following extremely valid and important complaint in this weeks thread, rather than last weeks as it is reserved for discussing the Keuchly/Gronk non penalty.

Here it is...

What is it going to take to get some love and attention for my Seahawks? On one hand flying under the radar has its advantages, but the Seahawks are putting together an amazing run this year, and doing in a manner that is fairly unique.

Look at just how efficient the offense is, in particular the passing game.

Look at how successful Wilson is on deep passes with a 60% completion percentage on attempts of 15 yards or greater? The next closest is Brees at 53%.

Look at Russell Wilsons number of wins to start a career? He is about to obliterate Marino's record and has 5 games left.

Look at how they have done this all season with an obliterated offensive line, that just last week had all of its starters back? The depth is amazing across the board.

Pro Bowl CB Browner goes down for 4-6 weeks, no problem we'll just start Thurmond who had a pick 6 last week and would start for any other team.

ESPN is the worst, I swear they devote more airtime to Moss and Bob3.0's potential squabble or whether Manning will need an MRI this week than they have the entire season of the 'Hawks. And we all know their love of all things Patriots. Sure they are in their backyard but they are supposed to provide national level coverage. Then again this is nothing new and happens every year, and yes ESPN has sucked for the longest time.

Seahawks have a bye this week and next week host New Orleans at home for MNF. That game could wrap up home field advantage for all intents.

My question to you is, what is your honest assessment of the Seattle so far this season? What do rate their chances to make the Superbowl?

PS: West Coast bias is alive and well in 2013. D:

PPS: Denver doesn't scare me in the least, in fact I hope it is the Broncos who we play in February should things pan out.
 
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^I think Seattle is the strongest in the NFC right now, even with their away game woes. But, any given Sunday. Don't put it past some of the other teams to take it to them. Depending on that NO game, Seattle could have a big advantage.

Denver is looking to be the strongest AFC team, but if KC wins against them next week and both teams don't lose another, Denver is the 5th seed and Manning in the cold isn't something I'd bet on.


I am looking forward to the rape and pillage of Atlanta tonight. However, I hope Brees gets hit a few times for no penalties for his stupid remarks about the Brooks hit.
 
davmat787 said:
My question to you is, what is your honest assessment of the Seattle so far this season? What do rate their chances to make the Superbowl?
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What are Seattle’s chances at reaching the Super Bowl? Good. Vegas has them 3:1 to win it all.

That said…

OL. The OL was average, at best, at pass blocking before the injuries. So they finally have Unger, Okung, and Guac back (the first two probowl caliber) but there is no certainty they are 100% or remain healthy. Unlike other groups the OL chemistry is important and right now they have none.

WR. An average group that got “worse” when Rice went down. (Rice was a tall possession receiver but was playing very poorly). Harvin is finally healthy but there will be issues of chemistry (never played with Wilson), rust (has not played over 1 year!), and how the team will use him. He is a great player when healthy. But Seattle has a problem: they have 3 slot receivers at 1-2-3 (Harvin-Tate-Baldwin). Baldwin was doing well at slot. Harvin is better but you are displacing probably the most productive of Seattle’s wide outs. Kearse has been productive but I am not sure you can count on him and Tate on the outside come the playoffs. I like Tate but he is out of position in SEA.

TE. SEA is very, very thin at TE. Miller is very good, when healthy. Miller has missed a bit of time and is, IMO, Seattle’s 4th best lineman as the SEA guards are hoooorible. Luke Wilson is a rookie who didn’t even start in college and is only a pass catcher. Their 3rd TE is a waiver pick up who is a penalty machine.

RB. No issues. Lynch is Top3 NFL. Robinson has cleaned up the FB position while Coleman now has experience. Turbin is a good #2 and Michael has potential to be explosive. Great group.

QB. Wilson is the perfect QB for this team. Good leader, hard worker, unassuming. He has shown something RGIII and Kap lack: when there is a flaw in his game he works on it and a week later he gets better. Of course he has been hit waaay too much this season. TJack is a very good backup (~.500 as a starter). Back to Wilson, without Wilson SEA is 7-4 or 6-5. Wilson is one of the few QBs that can handle the pressure he gets, he scrambles to extend plays and gets down when he needs to, and has very few turnovers. With how close games have been turnovers would have tanked many games.

The offence, as of week 11, is a new beast. The offense that went 9-1 pretty much was missing both OT and a displaced OG (moved to Tackle) and was missing Miller (TE) and Unger (C) for stretches. For the time being the line is a LOT better. Maybe not a great group, but far better than before. If SEA went 9-1 with that HORRIBLE line things could get MUCH better for SEA. Could. RE: Harvin, he cost SEA their #1 and is a big money guy. Even though he never played for SEA, the Harvin move lost them an $8M/year free agent AND a 1st round pick. Them the breaks (with Harvin, literally! Har har har). It is very impressive that Seattle is 9-1 with such a massive investment not on the field. Getting him back is a real X factor. It may be just what Seattle needed to go from, “Gritty enough to win tight games against average teams, but unproven against the NFL’s TOP5” to “Can hang points on anyone.” But this is a huge unknown. Seattle better hope everyone stays healthy AND Harvin can mesh in. Best case scenario Harvin puts an end to 8 in the box and draws coverage away from Tate, Baldwin, and Miller. The Run game would be better, more open receivers, and less pressure on Wilson (which has been insane).

DEFENSE… Very good but also unpredictable. They were tough against the run all year and then allowed 200+ two weeks in a row. I agree with some local guys that Malcom Smith and Bruce Irvin are playing the best. Wagner, whether it was being hurt or otherwise, has not had the impact he had last year. The LB are young, fast, and talented but lack the experience and discipline needed to play lights out every week. The DL is chalk full of pass rushing talent. They can stop the rush but it seems too often they are looking for sacks too quickly. Pressure has been good this season but could still be better against good OL. The DBs are great but the Browner injury is serious. Thurmond is very good, but Lane (a stellar special teams guy) has not progressed enough. Maxwell is a solid angular outside corner allowing Thurmond to move inside on 3 WR sets. That said none of them can jam at the line like Browner. Browner is a penalty magnet and when asked to cover more than 2.5 seconds is at a disadvantage. But at 6’4” he jams like no other CB. And he makes big plays—knock downs, interceptions, big hits, run support, etc. This is a big loss for SEA. But they have depth. Both safeties are awesome but Chancellor has a problem with TE—good TEs are torching SEA. Something to watch out for. A very good group that, to me, looks bored. They were torched in the 1st half in HOU, gave up 21 to TB. Yet in both games they decided to lock down and that was that. They have had broken coverage’s a number of times (last week against MIN and the one in IND for 73 yards changed the game). This is a good group—2nd against the pass with both good DBs and pass rushers. But they could do better and unlike last year are NOT immune to a high octane OFF scoring.

Special teams. Opposing teams have 15 punt return yards all season. Again: 15. Less than 2 punt return yards PER GAME. Tate is a very good punt returner and Harvin is the best KO return guy in the league. I like Kearse but he had 2 fumbles on KO return. That was a big part of their loss on the road to IND. So SEA’s very, very good special teams just launched itself into #1 in the league IMO. You can count on 1 big return/game from here on out.

Seattle is flawed. Just like any team in the parity era. There are no perfect teams. Denver may be the best team in the league and DAL dropped 48 on them. Every team has bad games (see: IND vs. STL). IMO Seattle had a mid-season lull. Most teams have a lull and my guess with all the injuries the middle of the season was it. But flaws in all they throttled a SF team that the week before had 400+ yards passing. They went into CAR in their home opener and pulled out a win against a good CAR team. They played IND close at IND. They have certainly played DOWN to some teams but they also have shown the ability, even with their OFF issues, to crush an opponent (SF, JAC, ARI, ATL, MIN).

It will all come down to playoff matchups. If SEA beats NO on the Dec 2 Monday night game SEA essentially locks up homefield. If Seattle beats NO it also shows they are top of the NFC class, even if they lose @ SF 6 days later. But if NO can come into SEA on Monday night and win SEA obviously will have a LOT of work to do and would possibly have to go to NO in the playoffs to win. SF @ SEA would be a physical game I think SEA wins. CAR is looking good but SEA beat CAR in CAR. I think if Cam Newton has to come to the Clink and SEA has Harvin that SEA puts a beat down. CAR is good, especially their front 7, but Wilson threw for 320 yards against CAR.

Looking at the AFC I think SEA, unlike any other team, lines up well against DEN. SEA has the size and skilled players in their DBs to jam and keep with their WR. And I think SEA’s OFF could move against the DEN DEF. I don’t think the NE offense matches up well at all. The KC team could be interesting as it would resemble the CAR game. I know this will irritate someone here, props to IND for beating SEA, but that was a close game. Luck was shut down for the most part (200ish yards, 70 on a broken play) and they had no run game. SEA moved OK on their DEF. IND made big plays, like the special teams fumble, and SEA was beat. Hats off to IND. But that was not a beat down. SEA showed they could hang with IND at IND. IND is a LOT less healthy now and SEA is a LOT more healthy now. Go to a neutral field and I think as of today SEA beats IND by at least 10.

But any given Sunday. NE, IND, DEN, KC, CAR, SF, and NO are all teams that CAN beat Seattle. I would NOT be shocked if any of them beat Seattle. On the flip side I think SEA could be favored against all of them on a neutral field. SEA is clearly a top 3 team, and maybe the best in the NFL. But they need to prove it on the field. 10-1 and signs of getting even better bode well. Time will tell.

If SEA beats NO convincingly ESPN et al will begin talking about SEA a lot as they will be the clear NFC front runner. If Wilson keeps playing the way he is and Harvin adds a spark the National Guys will have a "theme". "Seattle got healthy, got Harvin back, and they were good enough to win before but now are DOMINANT." If they lose it will be proof they know how to win but are not dominant and could be a victim of a 2nd round exit.
 
smackababy said:
^I think Seattle is the strongest in the NFC right now, even with their away game woes. But, any given Sunday. Don't put it past some of the other teams to take it to them. Depending on that NO game, Seattle could have a big advantage.

Denver is looking to be the strongest AFC team, but if KC wins against them next week and both teams don't lose another, Denver is the 5th seed and Manning in the cold isn't something I'd bet on.


I am looking forward to the rape and pillage of Atlanta tonight. However, I hope Brees gets hit a few times for no penalties for his stupid remarks about the Brooks hit.
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As an Atlanta fan I would seriously be ok with how bad our season has gone if we just beat the Saints tonight. I'd up that to happy if we can knock Brees around. Brees doesn't get to make complaints about hard hits after he defended the bounty scandal last year.
 
smackababy said:
even with their away game woes.
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What is the statute of limitations on such statements???

Seattle, from the middle of last year to now have a good road record.

Seattle was bad on the road in the past on the road because they were a bad team. Yes, the 10am starts traveling to the East Coast is tougher (I can say this as someone who has lived and business travelled both ways--West to East is way harder).

Yet in the last year and a half SEA has a good road record. Only 1 road loss this year, and it was a close game. The games are often close but SEA had close games at home against TEN and TB, too.

Curious, how many NFL teams with .500+ road records are there? And of those how many have an average margin of road victory over 7?
 
Seattle I think has a tendency to get behind too much/sleep on opponents. There's something to be said for being able to claw their way back to a victory but against the more potent teams I think they may find themselves unable to catch up if they let that happen. They very nearly lost to the Buccaneers and Texans afterall.
 
Ban Bot said:
Curious, how many NFL teams with .500+ road records are there? And of those how many have an average margin of road victory over 7?
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Philly, Detroit, Chicago, NO, Carolina, Seattle, SF, Indy, Tennessee, Denver, and KC.

I agree Seattle has been winning this year, but they should be playing a lot better. Their come from behind victories only work when they can effectively stop the other team from scoring and score themselves. Can they do that against Denver? NO? Carolina? Indy? NE?
 
smackababy said:
Philly, Detroit, Chicago, NO, Carolina, Seattle, SF, Indy, Tennessee, Denver, and KC.

I agree Seattle has been winning this year, but they should be playing a lot better. Their come from behind victories only work when they can effectively stop the other team from scoring and score themselves. Can they do that against Denver? NO? Carolina? Indy? NE?
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Anyone can stop Indy from scoring right now. Same for NE--though NE has improved drastically form the beginning of the season.

NO would be difficult in the dome, but are relatively "harmless" in Seattle.
Seattle matches up well against Carolina, and a rematch of that game would be awesome.

Denver is the real question. But I lean towards accepting a minimum of 24 points from Manning and having to find a way to score on their defense...which should pose no problems for Seattle...at home. Not that this matchup (either home field advantage) would happen this year.

But Manning would be playing in Jersey, in February. He has yet to prove that he can perform well in those conditions. Seattle has proven, at least, that they can play on the road. Seattle has pretty shitty weather, and Wilson did spend a season playing in Wisconsin in the fall (still not frigid), so maybe he has the advantage?
 
I'd have to agree that Seattle would beat the Colts right now on a neutral field. The Colts have been downright awful the last few weeks and I'm not sure it is going to get any better. I don't know why they're suddenly having these issues as I refuse to believe the loss of Wayne could make this much of a difference. I will say that like last year, the offensive line was playing well for a few games and then has taken some huge steps backwards. At this time, I think the only reason the Colts even make the playoffs is because they're going to win the AFC South because they've built an insurmountable lead in the division. I believe they will be one and done in the playoffs, however.

As far as Seattle's chances, I'll repeat what I've said before: they're done if they don't win HFA. Fortunately for them, I think they will. If they slip up and New Orleans wins HFA, NO will beat their asses up one side and down another in NO.
 
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