Angry retaliation is different from protecting your family. While I don't own a gun and probably never will, I do like the idea of being able to get one if I felt threatened by violence in my neighborhood or something. I am not in that situation now so I don't feel very strongly about my right to bear arms.
Angry retaliation is different from protecting your family. While I don't own a gun and probably never will, I do like the idea of being able to get one if I felt threatened by violence in my neighborhood or something. I am not in that situation now so I don't feel very strongly about my right to bear arms.
That's fine, but violent self-defense isn't the Christian thing to do. Let's face it, "turn the other cheek" is pretty clear. By a plain reading of the new testament, it's clear Jesus was against violence and being wealthy and materialistic. Yet American protestants (and catholics to a large extent) spin the verses so that they can do whatever they want.
Sorry to bump a really old thread but I saw this cartoon and thought it would fit in here.
http://www.harpers.org/CartoonJesusChildren.html
http://www.harpers.org/CartoonJesusChildren.html
<- Christian who agrees with you whole heartedly. There are perhaps a few social issues that Jesus would probably take the Rep side over the Dem's, but for the most part the Democratic party would have ideology much closer to what I think Jesus' would be. Republicans are masters of "Throwing a bone" to Christians to make it seem like they're on Jesus' side... "Sure, we'll outlaw gay marrige". Then they kill thousands of Iraqi's in the name of Oil and Christians think it's also God's will. Screw that.
I have always thought Religion was about freedom as opposed to being a slave of the devil, and being trapped in the chains of dependency and addictions. Some people think the opposite, but they are just confused. Too much alcohol and drugs will do that to a person.
Gun Control and Freedom are in contradiction to each other. If people have no access to any guns whatsoever, then they are only as free as the government lets them be. Guns stand in the way of the government controlling everything, and they insure the people have the means to rise up against their oppressive government should that need ever manifest itself.
Without weapons you are just like a peasant with a pitchfork trying to defend yourself against some knights with horses and armor and swords, and swinging maces. Dont kid yourself.
Gun Control and Freedom are in contradiction to each other. If people have no access to any guns whatsoever, then they are only as free as the government lets them be. Guns stand in the way of the government controlling everything, and they insure the people have the means to rise up against their oppressive government should that need ever manifest itself.
Without weapons you are just like a peasant with a pitchfork trying to defend yourself against some knights with horses and armor and swords, and swinging maces. Dont kid yourself.
cKGunslinger
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Yes, the Republicans have decided to dump the elephant and use Jesus as thier official mascot. :roll:
I sometimes can't believe the utter irony of the so-called "free-thinking left" who constantly accuse their political counterparts of being followers and "sheeple," yet continue en masse to parrot trite little talking points like this. Why not throw some more "Bush-God fanboi" accusations out there - I haven't actually seen one of those in a while. (Now cue the posts of "I'm not a Democrat, I'm just an Independent against Bush, followed by a dozen or so dittohead replies. "You are all individuals." <all in unison> "Yes, we are all individuals.
)As for the OP, as you are quick to point out in instances where it suits your opinions, correlation does not equal causation. I notice that many PETA and ALF members call themselves Democrats. Tell me, what do violent protests, demonstrations, and acts of sabotage have to do with Universal Health Care and a woman's right to chose? :roll:
And it looks like they might need those guns to force people to attend their Bible Study courses:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-suit09.html
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-suit09.html
:roll:
cKGunslinger
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the problem is that you're taking the bible literally.
when Jesus said "turn the other cheek" or when he let the Romans abuse and cruxify him, what he really meant was "pop a cap in the fvcker's ass if he tries to take your big screen tv"
when Jesus said "turn the other cheek" or when he let the Romans abuse and cruxify him, what he really meant was "pop a cap in the fvcker's ass if he tries to take your big screen tv"
There is a relation, but its only that most Christian fundies happen to be gun nuts. Its just pandering to their audience.
Perhaps they come down on the side of responsibility. It is irresponsible to avoid knowing how to protect ones own security with the tools at hand. If anyone here thinks the taxpayers of the United States can ever pay enough in taxes to hire, equip, and train enough officers of the law to protect the population of the United States, they really should seek consuling.
Cerb
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Gun control. The emphasis is where it's at. Fear and control are the main parts of what Fundies are and do (and why many other Christians can't even stand them). Freedom is in direct opposition to control, and eventually in opposition to fear (though this requires more time and work, as we must begin to overcome those fears programmed into us, and then the fears we are born with as animals).
One of the greatest fears we have is that of the unknown. In this case, to not be a blind follower of sect A. Those people not part of sect A, or at least not compatible with sect A's beliefs, are feared and hated. Even worse, these outsiders are often pitied.
How can those that are feared, hated, and pathetic, be allowed to wield means of death and suffering? That is the duty of the chosen. Sect A has direction, purpose, and an agenda. It is their place to guide the pitiful of the world. After all, with God on their side, they are definitely going to responsible with those firearms.
This then follows directly into Rainsford's post:
God forbid (pun intended) children be allowed to grow up in a safe and [at least socially] free environment.
One of the greatest fears we have is that of the unknown. In this case, to not be a blind follower of sect A. Those people not part of sect A, or at least not compatible with sect A's beliefs, are feared and hated. Even worse, these outsiders are often pitied.
How can those that are feared, hated, and pathetic, be allowed to wield means of death and suffering? That is the duty of the chosen. Sect A has direction, purpose, and an agenda. It is their place to guide the pitiful of the world. After all, with God on their side, they are definitely going to responsible with those firearms.
This then follows directly into Rainsford's post:
God forbid (pun intended) children be allowed to grow up in a safe and [at least socially] free environment.
What does anything have to do with gun control/ownership? Why should people support taking another freedom away from the American people? I don't have much, but I will protect it vigorously, whether it be with a gun or a baseball bat.
Disarming our nation and creating a society of victims is going to make them safe in what way? 9/11 wouldn't have succeeded had our population not had to listen to the liberal mantra of "When a craft is highjacked, keep your head down, do not challenge the highjackers, be passive and do not anger them. Submit to them and you will surivie." That was wrong and the degree of wrong was proven on 9/11. You eat a lot of dirt when crawling on your belly! The key to being a strong nation lies in individual strength and group psychology just won't get the job done!
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