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What do you think will happen when Trump *loses*?

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bradley said:
You are overestimating the US public when it's most convenient. A poll is a close-ended system conducted in a vacuum; it doesn't account for what people do behind closed doors. The below poll is much more relevant. It was conducted on the very same computer where porn and Doritos are consumed while anonymous shit talking. Not to mention, the Internet is slowly killing literacy and socialization skills.

The only thing that matters is name recognition. Donald is bigger now pre-election than Hilary was in the heat of the last Presidential race.

So get ready to be rickrolled by Trump for the following four years. Don't worry there will always be a fantasy world around to cushion the blow.

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I don't think we are talking about the same thing, although I find the idea that the only thing that matters is name recognition to be pretty obviously false.
 
As the first replier said, everything will continue the same way in the US and in the world. If Trump wins, it might change a little bit, who nows...
 
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
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Donald's two wives were, as far as I know, "imported" as well.

Donal Dumb doesn't seem to know that INDEED the immigration process requires to meticulously lay down that you can financially carry yourself respective YOU NEED A SPONSOR.

Of course, seeing that Dumb is a Billionaire I don't think that issue ever came up when he brought his wives here.... neither would an immigration official ever have wondered whether the wives Dumb was "importing" would at any time need financial gvt assistance 🙂 (They sure could conveniently ignore all that shenanigans in the immigration process)

Let me assure you, the average Joe has a LOT to go through to get a GC/Visa. I am talking from own experience and this was even before 9/11. The immigration process has HARDLY become easier.

Somehow, some folks seem to think that immigration in the US is a piece of cake, it definitely is not.
 
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flexy said:
Donald's two wives were, as far as I know, "imported" as well.

Donal Dumb doesn't seem to know that INDEED the immigration process requires to meticulously lay down that you can financially carry yourself respective YOU NEED A SPONSOR.

Of course, seeing that Dumb is a Billionaire I don't think that issue ever came up when he brought his wives here.... neither would an immigration official ever have wondered whether the wives Dumb was "importing" would at any time need financial gvt assistance 🙂 (They sure could conveniently ignore all that shenanigans in the immigration process)

Let me assure you, the average Joe has a LOT to go through to get a GC/Visa. I am talking from own experience and this was even before 9/11. The immigration process has HARDLY become easier.

Somehow, some folks seem to think that immigration in the US is a piece of cake, it definitely is not.
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Basically, the majority of households across the country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62%), Texas, California and New York with 61% each and Pennsylvania(59%).The study focused on eight major welfare programs that cost the government $517 billion the year they were examined. They include Supplemental Security Income (SSI) for the disabled, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), a nutritional program known as Women, Infants and Children (WIC), food stamps, free/reduced school lunch, public housing and health insurance for the poor (Medicaid).
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This is the rest of the immigration plan :

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

  • Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
  • Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.
  • Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
  • Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
  • Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
  • Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
  • Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”
  • End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.
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Jhhnn said:
That question was really for the good Christian Trumpists spouting family values.

They seem oblivious to the contradictions they embrace.
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You say contradictions, but you say it as if their beliefs and values aren't totally compartmentalized.

They can believe whatever they need to believe at that exact moment to keep their delusions from being burst by reality, and in the next moment, believe something totally different.

It's how we get Christians ignoring the selling your crap and giving the money to the poor, or having your treasure in heaven and not earth one moment, and the next bitching about poors getting assistance through...rendering unto caesar what is caesar's.

Compartmentalization is essentially the process that allows for projection and cognitive dissonance. It's fun to watch in action as a third party studying individuals, and a damn tragedy to see in action as a member of a society.
 
Jhhnn said:
That question was really for the good Christian Trumpists spouting family values.

They seem oblivious to the contradictions they embrace.
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I am not a Trump supporter. You are making crap up like always.

I would vote for Trump over Bernie or the Hillary, but that isn't saying much.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I am not a Trump supporter. You are making crap up like always.

I would vote for Trump over Bernie or the Hillary, but that isn't saying much.
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I understand how you feel. I can't bring myself to vote for a Bernie or Hillary. I probably wouldn't have been able to vote for Trump either, but I saw this and it was off the mainstream media, and without the freaking soundbites and spin. Unless there is some shocking revelation, I think I have made my choice. The more I listen and learn, the more I believe there is only one person who can turn this country around. Granted, the Liberals aren't going to like it, but it is time for a shake up in our government. Things cannot continue on the path we are on. So, for me, Trump it is.

This is long, but if you have time, I would respectfully ask that you give it a listen. It's not media friendly for the MSM, or even FOX, but here it is, on MLK Day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32ZPa4LGkM
 
pcgeek11 said:
I am not a Trump supporter. You are making crap up like always.

I would vote for Trump over Bernie or the Hillary, but that isn't saying much.
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There's the compartmentalization nickqt pointed out. Not a Trump supporter even as you support Trump.
 
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