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fskimospy

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Either way he has already won. His popularity in the polls and all of the attention are doing wonders for the Trump brand, if he loses it will allow him to continue making more money off of his involvement in the campaign process and relative success when compared to so many others.

If he wins the election then even better for him.

Regardless of how this election goes we already know that folks are going to be even more polarized than they are now.

Not according to market research, which says his brand has suffered severe damage in its target demographic.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-brand-business-213515

Maybe he shifts his brand to something else as a result, but at the moment his brand is tanking with the people it cares about.
 

Carson Dyle

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Why are the liberals so facinated with Trump and the Republicans?

Because the Republicans have been self-destructing since Dubya was prez, and it's fun to watch.

But what can you expect when you take the richest, most corrupt people in America and ally them with the poorest and the most easily manipulated? Then throw in this country's embarrassing number of Christian fundamentalists?

Trump is like the natural conclusion to this unlikely alliance, and a godsend to the Democrats. He's going to responsible for getting the next president elected, but it won't be him.
 

cKGunslinger

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Because the Republicans have been self-destructing since Dubya was prez, and it's fun to watch.

But what can you expect when you take the richest, most corrupt people in America and ally them with the poorest and the most easily manipulated? Then throw in this country's embarrassing number of Christian fundamentalists?

Trump is like the natural conclusion to this unlikely alliance, and a godsend to the Democrats. He's going to responsible for getting the next president elected, but it won't be him.

“When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing corruption. They’re bringing cronyism. They’re liars. And some, I assume (although I've yet to see proof), are good people!" :sneaky:
 

Bowfinger

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Why are the liberals so facinated with Trump and the Republicans? ...
It's not just liberals, it's everyone, and it's for the same reason reality television is so much more popular than PBS. Intelligence and class are no match for the spectacle of damaged people behaving badly.
 

Bowfinger

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The same people who call the GOP candidates clowns fail to mention these things.
No they don't. There are plenty of discussions about Clinton and Sanders. You are ignoring reality and creating stories you wish to be true.
 

kage69

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Trump/Omarosa 2016! :(

No seriously, of all the candidates, who is best poised to bring humanity to its knees? The only thing that will save this planet is at least a 75% reduction in population. Only Trump can do that.

Trump/Omarosa 2016! :)



Truly a match made in wise and beautiful woman heaven. :biggrin: Just breathtaking!
 

Jhhnn

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Not according to market research, which says his brand has suffered severe damage in its target demographic.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-brand-business-213515

Maybe he shifts his brand to something else as a result, but at the moment his brand is tanking with the people it cares about.

Pitching to the fringebillies he probably figures to go the Walmart route, make up for lack of margin with greater market share. He could open a string of waffle houses & convenience stores, start a country music label.
 

Jhhnn

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Because the Republicans have been self-destructing since Dubya was prez, and it's fun to watch.

But what can you expect when you take the richest, most corrupt people in America and ally them with the poorest and the most easily manipulated? Then throw in this country's embarrassing number of Christian fundamentalists?

Trump is like the natural conclusion to this unlikely alliance, and a godsend to the Democrats. He's going to responsible for getting the next president elected, but it won't be him.

I hope you're right. I honestly think that you are. Repubs can't win w/o campaigning to the middle (like Dubya) but they can't satisfy the base they've irrationalized for decades, not when the Donald grabbed the mic.

Sucks to be them, as it should.
 

uclaLabrat

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Hopefully once he loses all the people who support him will be further marginalized than they already are.

Trump supporters seriously scare me. I'll probably vote for Clinton, Bernie in the off chance he actually wraps up the nomination (he won't). I'm essentially voting for a veto against the turd sandwiches that the presumably republican congress will be sending down the river in the new term.
 

bradley

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Title should be -- If Trump loses...

According to everyone Trump should be an irrelevant player by now. Title should be, "how many times can I raise the bar before it falls on my empty noggin." lool

Hopefully once he loses all the people who support him will be further marginalized than they already are.

Trump supporters seriously scare me. I'll probably vote for Clinton, Bernie in the off chance he actually wraps up the nomination (he won't). I'm essentially voting for a veto against the turd sandwiches that the presumably republican congress will be sending down the river in the new term.

Just as wrong about medicine and pharmaceuticals as politics. Please don't quit your day job.

Because the Republicans have been self-destructing since Dubya was prez, and it's fun to watch.

Trump is like the natural conclusion to this unlikely alliance, and a godsend to the Democrats. He's going to responsible for getting the next president elected, but it won't be him.

I'm enjoying watching both parties implode. Otherwise, famous last words. Can't wait to do laps in that sea of empty words.
 
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pcgeek11

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“When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing corruption. They’re bringing cronyism. They’re liars. And some, I assume (although I've yet to see proof), are good people!" :sneaky:

Right. None of that applies to the Democrats.....

:)
 

pcgeek11

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I am not a Trump fan. It would be amazing if he did win to see what happens to all the liberals....

Maybe we would get lucky and they would all move to Canada or the Philippines.

:)
 

bradley

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Not according to market research, which says his brand has suffered severe damage in its target demographic.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-brand-business-213515

Maybe he shifts his brand to something else as a result, but at the moment his brand is tanking with the people it cares about.

You are overestimating the US public when it's most convenient. A poll is a close-ended system conducted in a vacuum; it doesn't account for what people do behind closed doors. The below poll is much more relevant. It was conducted on the very same computer where porn and Doritos are consumed while anonymous shit talking. Not to mention, the Internet is slowly killing literacy and socialization skills.

The only thing that matters is name recognition. Donald is bigger now pre-election than Hilary was in the heat of the last Presidential race.

So get ready to be rickrolled by Trump for the following four years. Don't worry there will always be a fantasy world around to cushion the blow.

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flexy

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I am not a Trump fan. It would be amazing if he did win to see what happens to all the liberals....

Maybe we would get lucky and they would all move to Canada or the Philippines.

:)

So you're supporting a one-party system, like, say, in the former Soviet Union, China etc. where only one type of political view is tolerated?

Aware you mean this as a joke...but exactly this would happen should "all" or most lefties/liberals leave.

Ironically, I see LOTS of conservatives who say exactly this, who think that anyone who is to the left/progressive/liberal is not a "true American"....or better (what I saw yesterday)..calling lefties/Bernie Sanders supporters etc. "enemies of America".

That this thinking is as UN-American as it can even get, do they realize this?

It does (fortunately) not apply to me anymore since I am not living in the US anymore....but I sure would not like to live in a country where there is only "one" correct political view.

A democracy, for me, is a mix of people to the right/middle/left..with all their differences..YET they manage it to somehow live together...sometimes even form coalitions in politics.

How far has the US come in the recent years where this concept seems odd? Have you shifted so far to the right that you THINK it would be good "all liberals leaving"? Cheezus christ get a grip...
 

bradley

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So you're supporting a one-party system, like, say, in the former Soviet Union, China etc. where only one type of political view is tolerated?

Aware you mean this as a joke...but exactly this would happen should "all" or most lefties/liberals leave.

Ironically, I see LOTS of conservatives who say exactly this, who think that anyone who is to the left/progressive/liberal is not a "true American"....or better (what I saw yesterday)..calling lefties/Bernie Sanders supporters etc. "enemies of America".

That this thinking is as UN-American as it can even get, do they realize this?

It does (fortunately) not apply to me anymore since I am not living in the US anymore....but I sure would not like to live in a country where there is only "one" correct political view.

A democracy, for me, is a mix of people to the right/middle/left..with all their differences..YET they manage it to somehow live together...sometimes even form coalitions in politics.

How far has the US come in the recent years where this concept seems odd? Have you shifted so far to the right that you THINK it would be good "all liberals leaving"? Cheezus christ get a grip...

Oh thank goodness, a voice of reason. I don't even support Trump as much as I oppose the current corruption benefiting a scant few.

I'm just looking for a slightly more fair, just equitable system. Is it too much to ask? In order to make the US great again a president would merely need to execute and enforce preexisting laws. Not usurp the entire process.

Make it possible for all voices to be heard again. Just say no to ideologues.

Cause right now lobbyists and bankers blot out every single voter who labels themselves within this framework. And - liberal, conservative, progressive, independent etc - your rhetoric and platitudes don't mean anything against the enormous actions of a bubble-generating economy running on fumes and former glory.

The Far Right and the Far Left are all crazy...

Extremist views and ideologies will never be reasonable. The truth will always be in the middle somewhere.
 

mysticjbyrd

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So, OP, what do you think will happen when Hillary and Bernie lose? I'm not saying Trump is going to win, because he probably won't, but I know for sure who is going to lose.
The only chance the republican party wins is if it's Hillary vs Trump, and even then it's small.

On the plus side for republicans, Hillary is just as much of a corporatist whore as the people you want in office, so it's basically the same thing. In other words, as long as Hillary wins the primary, you win. At least ideally speaking, in actuality, you lose with the rest of us.
 
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compuwiz1

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See....even you love him! Trump is probably the only candidate who will upset the establishment and say "NO MORE BULLSHIT". I want to see someone actually handle business and I think he's gonna send some people, who have been around far too long, off to pound sand. We've gotta try this. This opportunity doesn't come around very often and we've suffered from some very weak leadership for too long. Fuck China, Fuck Mexico. Tariff them up the ass and let our manufacturing jobs come back home. Bring our jobs back. Make America great again!
 

bozack

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Not according to market research, which says his brand has suffered severe damage in its target demographic.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-brand-business-213515

Maybe he shifts his brand to something else as a result, but at the moment his brand is tanking with the people it cares about.

with market research you mean one article one source.

While his businesses may have lost some as a result of his actions, there is no doubt I think in anyone's mind that he is far more of a household name (if he wasn't already) now.
 
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shady28

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See....even you love him! Trump is probably the only candidate who will upset the establishment and say "NO MORE BULLSHIT". I want to see someone actually handle business and I think he's gonna send some people, who have been around far too long, off to pound sand. We've gotta try this. This opportunity doesn't come around very often and we've suffered from some very weak leadership for too long. Fuck China, Fuck Mexico. Tariff them up the ass and let our manufacturing jobs come back home. Bring our jobs back. Make America great again!


That's basically Trumps message. He has 5 main platforms.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions


IMMIGRATION

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
  • Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.
  • Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
  • End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
  • Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
  • Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
  • Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.

REFORMING THE U.S.-CHINA TRADE RELATIONSHIP


How We Got Here: Washington Politicians Let China Off The Hook

In January 2000, President Bill Clinton boldly promised China’s inclusion in the World Trade Organization (WTO) “is a good deal for America. Our products will gain better access to China’s market, and every sector from agriculture, to telecommunications, to automobiles. But China gains no new market access to the United States.” None of what President Clinton promised came true. Since China joined the WTO, Americans have witnessed the closure of more than 50,000 factories and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. It was not a good deal for America then and it’s a bad deal now.

  • Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator.
  • Protect American ingenuity and investment by forcing China to uphold intellectual property laws and stop their unfair and unlawful practice of forcing U.S. companies to share proprietary technology with Chinese competitors as a condition of entry to China’s market.
  • Reclaim millions of American jobs and reviving American manufacturing by putting an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards. No more sweatshops or pollution havens stealing jobs from American workers.
  • Strengthen our negotiating position by lowering our corporate tax rate to keep American companies and jobs here at home, attacking our debt and deficit so China cannot use financial blackmail against us, and bolstering the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism.

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VETERANS ADMINISTRATION REFORMS


The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Veterans Plan

The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.

The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.

The Trump Plan Will:
  • Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans’ invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
  • Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
  • Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today’s veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
  • Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don’t permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women’s health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran’s ID card.


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TAX REFORM

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

  • If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
  • All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
  • No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
  • No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
  • The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral

The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:
  1. Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
  2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
  3. Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
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PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

Enforce The Laws On The Books

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Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

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fskimospy

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"The Trump Tax Plan is revenue neutral."

Holy shit is that hilarious. Donald Trump is either a complete moron or he thinks his supporters are.