What do you think the Witcher 3 will take to run ?

[Deders]

No, theoretically, they don't even out. Assuming you've looked at any of the compute benchmarks from before Maxwell, until now. All the benchmarks show that Kepler did not do well in compute. It even showed up in compute heavy games.

You could see the writing on the wall way back in the early days of Kepler when you saw games like Metro 2033, which used a lot of compute.

This conspiracy theory is just the result of Nvidia having underestimated the need for compute in modern games. They designed their cards for what they thought would be needed, and made a poor prediction. Like AMD did with their early 5000 series when it came to tessellation.

Looking at the first benchmark on Anandtech's page, Luxmark 2.0 backs up what you said, but i've just run the test myself on a single 780 and it blows these results out of the water. Would be nice to see what a 970 could do with these drivers (347.52).

Edit, that was x64. x32 returned a result of 2400.

 

[bystander36]

Looking at the first benchmark on Anandtech's page, Luxmark 2.0 backs up what you said, but i've just run the test myself on a single 780 and it blows these results out of the water. Would be nice to see what a 970 could do with these drivers (347.52).

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8526/67744.png

http://i61.tinypic.com/rj4bv7.png

Edit, that was x64. x32 returned a result of 2400.

The difference in score is likely the "scene" used. There are lots of other compute tests too. Kepler just didn't do well with them.

 

[mohit9206]

I heard Witcher 3 requires minimum quad core Cpu. So Us poor souls with Pentium dual core cpu are not invited?

 

[RussianSensation]

I heard Witcher 3 requires minimum quad core Cpu. So Us poor souls with Pentium dual core cpu are not invited?

Seriously? What kind of a GPU would you pair with a $50-70 CPU for TW3? Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz was $300 as of August 2007 or nearly 8 years ago. There is no excuse at all to not own a quad-core AMD/Intel CPU in 2015 for PC gaming, esp. given how long Core i5s last nowadays (4-5 years minimum).

 

[Spjut]

Seriously? What kind of a GPU would you pair with a $50-70 CPU for TW3? Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz was $300 as of August 2007 or nearly 8 years ago. There is no excuse at all to not own a quad-core AMD/Intel CPU in 2015 for PC gaming, esp. given how long Core i5s last nowadays (4-5 years minimum).

The minimum requirements specifically state a Phenom II X4 940, so a Q6600 should work as well.


It's amazing the Core 2 Quads have held out this long

 

[Deders]

The difference in score is likely the "scene" used. There are lots of other compute tests too. Kepler just didn't do well with them.

Thankfully it doesn't look quite so bleak.



The face detection benchmark is only 3 fps behind a 780TI, but...

My 780 beats the 980 by over 2.3 Mpixels/s

And it beats the 980 in particle simulation. I don't have the software to test the others but it looks to me as if things aren't the same as they where on Maxwell's release.

 

[escrow4]

I heard Witcher 3 requires minimum quad core Cpu. So Us poor souls with Pentium dual core cpu are not invited?

I wouldn't use a Pentium in an office box in 2015. Dual cores are dead for gaming and barely adequate for an all rounder box. And really Nvidia, I'm not paying $1600 for a Titan X here. Its got nothing to do with the falling dollar either. :hmm:

 

[mohit9206]

Seriously? What kind of a GPU would you pair with a $50-70 CPU for TW3? Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz was $300 as of August 2007 or nearly 8 years ago. There is no excuse at all to not own a quad-core AMD/Intel CPU in 2015 for PC gaming, esp. given how long Core i5s last nowadays (4-5 years minimum).

I wouldn't use a Pentium in an office box in 2015. Dual cores are dead for gaming and barely adequate for an all rounder box. And really Nvidia, I'm not paying $1600 for a Titan X here. Its got nothing to do with the falling dollar either. :hmm:

But its all about price/performance. I bought Pentium G630 for $60 in 2012 when the cheapest i3 was $120 and i5 was $200.At the time Toms Hardware was also recommending Pentium in their monthly CPU category. Even now Toms Hardware still puts a Pentium in their under $100 category although now i think they should remove it altogether as dual core is no longer sufficient.
But you also have to understand that about 50% of gamers according to the Steam hardware survey still play on Dual Core CPU's so it would be poor business decision for game companies to lock out half the potential market.

 

[showb1z]

Steam hardware survey isn't representative of the target audience for a game like Witcher 3.

 

[NTMBK]

I'd expect it to require an OC'd Celeron 300A and a Voodoo 3, minimum.

 

[Zanovar]

I'd expect it to require an OC'd Celeron 300A and a Voodoo 3, minimum.

 

[Flapdrol1337]

Seriously? What kind of a GPU would you pair with a $50-70 CPU for TW3? Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz was $300 as of August 2007 or nearly 8 years ago. There is no excuse at all to not own a quad-core AMD/Intel CPU in 2015 for PC gaming, esp. given how long Core i5s last nowadays (4-5 years minimum).

The pentium g3258 easily outperforms the q6600 though. The only real problem is devs "optimising" by coding the main thread to run on the 3rd core.

 

[mohit9206]

I'd expect it to require an OC'd Celeron 300A and a Voodoo 3, minimum.

I have a Radeon 7750. Will it run Witcher 3 on medium settings at 1600*900 assuming the game runs on Dual Core cpu?

The pentium g3258 easily outperforms the q6600 though. The only real problem is devs "optimising" by coding the main thread to run on the 3rd core.

But they could just easily program the code to work with 2 cores since each individual core can handle multiple threads at once.

Steam hardware survey isn't representative of the target audience for a game like Witcher 3.

Then what is? Anandtech community?

 

[showb1z]

The Steam userbase includes millions of people on crappy laptops playing free/casual games.
These people aren't interested in a complex AAA game like The Witcher 3. It's not even on their radar, so whether or not they can run it is irrelevant.
Either way, Steam has 125 million active users. The Witcher series sold 7-8 million so far, they will be fine.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I have a Radeon 7750. Will it run Witcher 3 on medium settings at 1600*900 assuming the game runs on Dual Core cpu?

But they could just easily program the code to work with 2 cores since each individual core can handle multiple threads at once.

Then what is? Anandtech community?

Sorry bro. Sorry to break your heart. But to get 30-60 Fps at the lowest (not medium) settings at a Rez below 1080p would still require a core i5 quad first gen with a 7870 and 8gb ram. At the very least.

To run 1080p medium at 30-60fps you're looking at a second gen core i5 quad or maybe much higher along with a 280x/7970 level card and 8-12gb ram.

 

[escrow4]

But its all about price/performance. I bought Pentium G630 for $60 in 2012 when the cheapest i3 was $120 and i5 was $200.At the time Toms Hardware was also recommending Pentium in their monthly CPU category. Even now Toms Hardware still puts a Pentium in their under $100 category although now i think they should remove it altogether as dual core is no longer sufficient.
But you also have to understand that about 50% of gamers according to the Steam hardware survey still play on Dual Core CPU's so it would be poor business decision for game companies to lock out half the potential market.

Under $100 CPU you may as well save and buy a console. A lot of steam hardware is old crap. They are not the target market.

 

[RussianSensation]

The pentium g3258 easily outperforms the q6600 though. The only real problem is devs "optimising" by coding the main thread to run on the 3rd core.

Ya, I know. My point is we had quad-core Intel CPUs for $300 going back 8 years ago. Someone who gets a dual core Pentium or an i3 will ultimately have to get an i5 anyway. Now think about an i5 2500K @ 4.5Ghz. That CPU could be purchased for $230 or so around January 2011. It's still not outdated for the most part. That means without even considering resale value, and assuming this processor lasts until Skylake, we'd be looking at nearly 5 years of useful life. $230 / 5 = $46 per annum! If someone can't afford to spend $46 per year to have a very good gaming CPU, chances are they aren't buying $50-60 AAA games at launch or $250-300 GPUs every 2-3 years either. Even before we get to the CPU part, you are going to need a very beefy GPU to play TW3. This is one of the most cutting edge games, and surely THE most cutting edge open world PC game ever made.

I would much rather the developers push the envelope rather than think about all those gamers on Pentiums and Core 2 Duos and i3s. Sooner or later, quad-cores will become truly mainstream but a developer can't just go back in 2-3 years and remake TW3. Might as well make it a modern game. No offense but you don't have to be rich to buy a $230 Core i5 2500K, heck there are lower priced i5 processors for $180-190.

As I said before and I will keep saying it: it rewards one in the end to spend a little extra upfront to get a Core i5 + a solid PSU for their new build, even if it means getting a worse videocard to start. The CPU platform and esp. the PSU will outlast any videocard. I honestly think developers should stop abandon dual core CPUs and focus on quad-core+. Thankfully with DX12 this is actually going to happen whether they want to or not because for them to make more advanced games, they are going to have no choice but to take advantage of 4-8 cores. With DX12 and Windows 10, finally dual core CPUs will be buried for good and future game development won't be held back by outdated budget dual cores! Thank god the current consoles have 6 cores available to them as well.

Under $100 CPU you may as well save and buy a console. A lot of steam hardware is old crap. They are not the target market.

Exactly. If someone is gaming on a dual core, chances are their videocard is also really bad. Also, what kind of a gamer buys a $50-70 CPU but then goes and buys $50-60 AAA games on launch date? Over the course of 3-5 years, this doesn't even make sense.

 

[alcoholbob]

One of these cards:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-990-ti-24gb-amd-r9-395x2-16gb-benchmarked-reviewed/

:-D

 

[Paul98]

One of these cards:

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-990-ti-24gb-amd-r9-395x2-16gb-benchmarked-reviewed/

:-D

It's not quite April first yet.

But that is rather good

 

[escrow4]

What Russian said. Get a decent CPU and a half decent mobo and use that as a solid platform whilst you upgrade the GPU as required.

 

[mohit9206]

Ya, I know. My point is we had quad-core Intel CPUs for $300 going back 8 years ago. Someone who gets a dual core Pentium or an i3 will ultimately have to get an i5 anyway. Now think about an i5 2500K @ 4.5Ghz. That CPU could be purchased for $230 or so around January 2011. It's still not outdated for the most part. That means without even considering resale value, and assuming this processor lasts until Skylake, we'd be looking at nearly 5 years of useful life. $230 / 5 = $46 per annum! If someone can't afford to spend $46 per year to have a very good gaming CPU, chances are they aren't buying $50-60 AAA games at launch or $250-300 GPUs every 2-3 years either. Even before we get to the CPU part, you are going to need a very beefy GPU to play TW3. This is one of the most cutting edge games, and surely THE most cutting edge open world PC game ever made.

I would much rather the developers push the envelope rather than think about all those gamers on Pentiums and Core 2 Duos and i3s. Sooner or later, quad-cores will become truly mainstream but a developer can't just go back in 2-3 years and remake TW3. Might as well make it a modern game. No offense but you don't have to be rich to buy a $230 Core i5 2500K, heck there are lower priced i5 processors for $180-190.

As I said before and I will keep saying it: it rewards one in the end to spend a little extra upfront to get a Core i5 + a solid PSU for their new build, even if it means getting a worse videocard to start. The CPU platform and esp. the PSU will outlast any videocard. I honestly think developers should stop abandon dual core CPUs and focus on quad-core+. Thankfully with DX12 this is actually going to happen whether they want to or not because for them to make more advanced games, they are going to have no choice but to take advantage of 4-8 cores. With DX12 and Windows 10, finally dual core CPUs will be buried for good and future game development won't be held back by outdated budget dual cores! Thank god the current consoles have 6 cores available to them as well.



Exactly. If someone is gaming on a dual core, chances are their videocard is also really bad. Also, what kind of a gamer buys a $50-70 CPU but then goes and buys $50-60 AAA games on launch date? Over the course of 3-5 years, this doesn't even make sense.

Dual core cpu is like DVD format, it just will not die. 50% of active Steam user base have dual core cpu (includes hyperthreaded dual cores as well). So until dual core market share drops below 20% which i don't see happening until atleast 2020,until then game developers keep supporting dual core cpu. So i hope Witcher 3, GTA V and MGS V run on dual core cpu. Btw my graphics card is good to handle these games amd 7750.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The minimum requirements specifically state a Phenom II X4 940, so a Q6600 should work as well.


It's amazing the Core 2 Quads have held out this long

Actually it says the minimum spec for intel is 2500k, which makes no sense because it is much faster for gaming than the phenom.

I think we really have to just wait and see what it takes. Suggested system specs have not been very accurate to say the least recently.

 

[godihatework]

Just wondering what you guys think. I think it will take more than whats avaiable today for GPUs to run the game smoothly maxed out.

Xbox one will probably run it just fine.