WHat do you think the full gpu lineup will look like at the end of summer

[Head1985]

I think the gtx980ti will be 8% slower than the Titan x@ 1080p and will get even slower than the Titan x as the resolution and eye candy get turned up.
Up to as much as 15% slower in some cases.

No way because 980TI have only 9% less SP,same rops and same 384bit bus.It will be at max 5% slower at the same clock

 

[happy medium]

No way because 980TI have only 9% less SP,same rops and same 384bit bus.It will be at max 5% slower at the same clock

I think it will depend on the game . Some games that are heavy shader intensive you will see more of a gap ect .ect ect. you know what I mean.

 

[tviceman]

Hawaii won't be able to compete with GM200 on any scale. A respin / different process can lower TDP a little bit and squeeze out another 5% performance which would only bring it closer to, but not beat, GM204. I think the an improved Hawaii with slightly better power consumption and performance at $399 can force GTX 980 down to $450 and the GTX 970 down to $300. I think 4gb GTX 960 cards will be $200 and Nvidia may bring out a cutdown GM206 aka GTX 950 TI. I also think it's very possible Nvidia may bring out a third GM204 SKU, aka GTX 960 TI because the gap between the 960 and 970 is rather large for the price differences and prospective market.

Other'n that, I have no clue what AMD will do with the rest of their cards.

 

[maddie]

Fiji X2 WCE
Fiji WCE / 980 Ti Ultra [6GB]
Titan X
Fiji
980 Ti
390x
980
390
970
380x
960Ti
380
960


980 Ti Ultra because I'm fairly certain that Nvidia is harvesting more full die than can be disposed of with Titan X, seeing how the DP performance has been sacrificed and thus no/little professional outlet.

Nvidia will not do a top dual die card with air. No Titan Z fiasco.

As an outside chance, 8GB in Fiji WCE. Its not impossible from a technical standpoint.

 

[Cloudfire777]

$850: Radeon Fury, 4096 shaders, 4GB HBM, Water Cooled - 350W TDP: 100% performance
$999: GTX Titan X, 3072 cores, 12GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 250W TDP: 95% performance
$649: GTX 980Ti, 2816 cores, 6GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 235W TDP: 90% performance
$499: GTX 980, 2048 cores, 4GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 165W TDP: 65% performance
$349: R9 390X, 2816 shaders, 8GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 290W TDP: 60% performance
$329: GTX 970, 1664 cores, 4GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 145W TDP: 50% performance

 

[Tuna-Fish]

So your saying AMD will take all the rebrands 390x/390/380x that will release on June 16th and stick a cut down Fiji chip called the 395x in between the Fury max and rebranded 390x?. That's a good possibility.:thumbsup:

Mabe they will call the cut down fury chip ,fury jr. or something.

For the past few generations, nV has put salvage chips in the main lineup with Ti in the name. 395x would be sort of a similar solution.

WHat will they call the dual gpu chip then?

There have been some rumblings about a card with "VR" in the name, to capitalize on the impending Oculus launch and LiquidVR..

 

[Elfear]

This is how I see the lineup by the end of the summer and estimated prices.

Note: every tier AMD will be slower/= their Nvidia counterpart but cheaper in price.

I don't think that will happen as it hasn't been that way historically. While generally the fastest single-GPU card has been Nvidia, at lower tiers the AMD card is almost always faster at similar prices. People shop by price not by product stack and at the same price AMD has almost always been faster.

By uneducated guess:

Titan X ($1000) ~= Fiji WCE ($800-850)
980Ti ($650-700) ~= Fiji Pro ($550-600)
980 ($450-500) ~= Respun 290X (GCN 1.2?) ($400)
970 ($300-329) ~= Respun 290 ($280-300)
960Ti ($250) ~= optimized Full Tonga chip ($200-225)
960 ($180-200) ~= optimized 285 ($160-180)

Too many rumors flying around to know if everything below Fiji will be respun at GF, but that would be the best outcome IMO to help lower power consumption and add more performance

 

[gamervivek]

If AMD is going with a rebranded slightly OC'ed Hawaii, they need more games like Hitman Absolution and reviewers like techspot.

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/977/bench/Hitman.png

 

[Glo.]

AMD Radeon Fury: 4096 GCN cores, 4 GB of HBM, Water cooling, 849$, faster than GTX Titan X
AMD Radeon R9 395X: 3584 GCN Cores, 4 GB of HBM, air cooling, 649$, around 250W of TDP, faster than GTX 980 Ti, slower than Titan X.
AMD Radeon R9 390X: 3072 GCN cores 8 GB of GDDR5, air cooling, less than 250W TDP, 499$, faster than GTX980, slower than GTX 980 Ti.

AMD Radeon R9 370X, 2048 GCN cores, 2 GB of HBM, air cooling, 199$, around 130W of TDP.

 

[96Firebird]

If AMD is going with a rebranded slightly OC'ed Hawaii, they need more games like Hitman Absolution and reviewers like techspot.

http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/977/bench/Hitman.png

I'm surprised that game is still on their list, it is coming up on 3 years old now...

 

[x3sphere]

Fiji X2 WCE
Fiji WCE / 980 Ti Ultra [6GB]
Titan X
Fiji
980 Ti
390x
980
390
970
380x
960Ti
380
960


980 Ti Ultra because I'm fairly certain that Nvidia is harvesting more full die than can be disposed of with Titan X, seeing how the DP performance has been sacrificed and thus no/little professional outlet.

Nvidia will not do a top dual die card with air. No Titan Z fiasco.

As an outside chance, 8GB in Fiji WCE. Its not impossible from a technical standpoint.

Well, full GM200 die isn't only being sold as Titan X, they also have the Quadro M6000 targeted towards professional markets. Although Maxwell has poor DP performance that doesn't make the card useless for a lot of other compute tasks, and the large amount of on-board memory is useful for rendering.

At any rate I agree we will probably eventually see a fully enabled 980 Ti. Not sure it'll come this summer though. Seems too early.

 

[swilli89]

AMD Radeon Fury: 4096 GCN cores, 4 GB of HBM, Water cooling, 849$, faster than GTX Titan X
AMD Radeon R9 395X: 3584 GCN Cores, 4 GB of HBM, air cooling, 649$, around 250W of TDP, faster than GTX 980 Ti, slower than Titan X.
AMD Radeon R9 390X: 3072 GCN cores 8 GB of GDDR5, air cooling, less than 250W TDP, 499$, faster than GTX980, slower than GTX 980 Ti.

AMD Radeon R9 370X, 2048 GCN cores, 2 GB of HBM, air cooling, 199$, around 130W of TDP.

I could definitely see this.

 

[digitaldurandal]

I could definitely see this.

980 Ti is faster than Titan X in regards to gaming if the benchmarks seen are to be believed. It boosts higher even though it has less cores.

 

[Subyman]

That seems to be the consensus ,but I have a hard time believing that a respun 290x will only just compete with a gtx980 also.

WHy not just overvolt and overclock your current 290x?

GTX 980 is about 12-15% faster than an R9 290X. I'd think AMD could easily gain ground there and compete slightly above the GTX 980. That would place the R9 390X at just above the GTX 980 with, hopefully, a better reference cooling option and better power consumption. The problem I have is how pricing will work out. Compared to the GTX 980 pricing, a target of $499 at launch seems reasonable, but it falls apart when considering it would only be 10-15% faster than the R9 290X which can be had for $299.

For whatever reason the R9 2XX series is tainted in the eyes of the consumer (reference cooler panned at launch, crypto coin messing with the market, etc.) GTX 980s sell well at $500+ when they are only 10-15% faster than an R9 290 at $299.

What AMD needs this round isn't just performance, it needs a great marketing strategy. If they simply dump these cards on the market without reworking their image then it will be business as usual with Nvidia responding with a slight price cut and AMD slowly reducing pricing again.

I'm very interested to see how the 3XX series is received.

 

[Azix]

The best outcome would be redesigned hawaii under fiji, and with HBM. That would likely allow them to up the clocks and maybe add more cores depending on the space saved. fingers crossed.


screw the 8gb gdd5 rumours

 

[Subyman]

The best outcome would be redesigned hawaii under fiji, and with HBM. That would likely allow them to up the clocks and maybe add more cores depending on the space saved. fingers crossed.


screw the 8gb gdd5 rumours

Yeah, I don't see 8GB GDDR5 on the R9 390X helping here other than for marketing purposes if it is indeed a hopped up 290X.

 

[tential]

$850: Radeon Fury, 4096 shaders, 4GB HBM, Water Cooled - 350W TDP: 100% performance
$999: GTX Titan X, 3072 cores, 12GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 250W TDP: 95% performance
$649: GTX 980Ti, 2816 cores, 6GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 235W TDP: 90% performance
$499: GTX 980, 2048 cores, 4GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 165W TDP: 65% performance
$349: R9 390X, 2816 shaders, 8GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 290W TDP: 60% performance
$329: GTX 970, 1664 cores, 4GB GDDR5, Air Cooled - 145W TDP: 50% performance

Has there ever been such a MASSIVE performance delta between the top chip, and the runner up from either camp ever?

 

[Rvenger]

I keep thinking and come to this conclusion. Why do I have a feeling the dual GPU will be ready at launch? It would explain the 8gb marketing.

 

[maddie]

I keep thinking and come to this conclusion. Why do I have a feeling the dual GPU will be ready at launch? It would explain the 8gb marketing.

No one has disproved 8GB HBM. We have evidence which points to 4Gb, but all that says is 4Gb exists not that 8Gb does not exist.

In fact the quote from Macri is very cagy in my opinion. He then defends 4GB, but that might be misdirection. The "if you have four stacks" said twice.

“You’re not limited in this world [die stacking world] to any number of stacks, but from a capacity point of view, this generation-one HBM, each DRAM is a two-gigabit DRAM, so yeah, if you have four stacks you’re limited to four gigabytes. You could build things with more stacks, you could build things with less stacks. Capacity of the frame buffer is just one of our concerns. There are many things you can do to utilise that capacity better. So if you have four stacks you’re limited to four [gigabytes], but we don’t really view that as a performance limitation from an AMD perspective.”

http://wccftech.com/amd-addresses-capacity-limitation-concern-hbm/

 

[Rvenger]

The 8gb HBM would be 4gb per GPU if dual GPU. Technically it is still 4gb but they always market it as 8gb.

 

[maddie]

The 8gb HBM would be 4gb per GPU if dual GPU. Technically it is still 4gb but they always market it as 8gb.

I was not clear. I meant 8GB HBM for a single GPU card. Technically possible as Macri stated. The only limit is each stack of HBM memory at present is 1 GB. # of stacks can be 1+.

 

[gamervivek]

I'm surprised that game is still on their list, it is coming up on 3 years old now...

It's on many other review sites as well, just do a quick search, but only techspot have the 290X in such a commanding lead, the AA probably playing a part as well.

 

[Cloudfire777]

Has there ever been such a MASSIVE performance delta between the top chip, and the runner up from either camp ever?

OP asked about the initial lineup.

Nvidia may not release any other than those on the list, AMD may not either.
But a Radeon Fury Pro with 3500 shaders may come out once the 4096 Fury Pro had some time on the market to ship to customers. Air cooled Fury Pro with 3500 shaders will probably be a good deal cheaper than Radeon Fury so it would put damper on the sales if launched together.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I was not clear. I meant 8GB HBM for a single GPU card. Technically possible as Macri stated. The only limit is each stack of HBM memory at present is 1 GB. # of stacks can be 1+.

8GB isnt coming. Even AMD said so.

You are into Q2/Q3 2016 before you see any 8GB or higher cards. And it will be based on HBM2.

 

[Cloudfire777]

8GB isnt coming. Even AMD said so.

You are into Q2/Q3 2016 before you see any 8GB or higher cards. And it will be based on HBM2.

Yep 8GB HBM isnt happening on other card than Dual Fiji.