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zzyzxroad

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America desperately, desperately

Even with the extra desperately, this is still an understatement. The all lives matter folks would rather split hairs over the meaning of defund the police so it's tough.

Yes I think people here might underestimate just how many Americans think it’s perfectly appropriate for the police to brutalize people who make them angry.
I underestimate the shittiness of people on occasion. Thankfully these forums keep me in check.
 
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killster1

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Nothing about temporary/paper plates from the dealership, or WHERE on the back, nothing about "assigned plate mount ONLY". But you know this already, don'tchya shithead? :rolleyes:
paper plates should be treated the same as regular plates, you cant even put the license plate in the front window must be mounted notice how no one posted a law that conflicts with teh law i posted? if no one ever shot the police during traffic stops i think they would behave differently at someone not stopping right away etc.

go ahead tho ill put it up to 100$ if you can show me where it says in the backwindow is oK! :) comply with the police if not they assume you are a criminal and will act accordingly.
 

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fskimospy

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paper plates should be treated the same as regular plates, you cant even put the license plate in the front window must be mounted notice how no one posted a law that conflicts with teh law i posted? if no one ever shot the police during traffic stops i think they would behave differently at someone not stopping right away etc.

go ahead tho ill put it up to 100$ if you can show me where it says in the backwindow is oK! :) comply with the police if not they assume you are a criminal and will act accordingly.
Which do you think takes precedence, orders of the police or state law?
 

killster1

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Which do you think takes precedence, orders of the police or state law?
show me the law that says you can put the paper plate in the window? still waiting.. but obviously you know everything so you must be right! the police state "FELONY STOP" they thought it was stolen or refusing to stop obviously there was more going on then a innocent guy getting harassed by the police. ( which in my case is what happened i matched the description of bank robbery)
 

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show me the law that says you can put the paper plate in the window? still waiting.. but obviously you know everything so you must be right! the police state "FELONY STOP" they thought it was stolen or refusing to stop obviously there was more going on then a innocent guy getting harassed by the police. ( which in my case is what happened i matched the description of bank robbery)
Virginia law clearly states anyone the police attempt to stop may proceed to a well lit area before stopping. Are you saying police orders override state law?

Yes or no, please. If the answer is no though, please explain why the officers should not be fired and/or criminally prosecuted for their actions.
 

ivwshane

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What kind of fucked up individual do you have to be to think that having your temporary plates in the wrong spot warrants any kind violent response from the police?
 
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What kind of fucked up individual do you have to be to think that having your temporary plates in the wrong spot warrants any kind violent response from the police?
As far as I can tell his argument is that excercising your right under Virginia law to drive to a well lit area is what justified the police brutalizing him and that in fact the driver should be thankful the police didn’t further harm him.

Apparently this is because he believes police officers’ commands override Virginia state law, a situation that would presumably be alarming to the governor and legislature.
 

zzyzxroad

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As far as I can tell his argument is that excercising your right under Virginia law to drive to a well lit area is what justified the police brutalizing him and that in fact the driver should be thankful the police didn’t further harm him.

Apparently this is because he believes police officers’ commands override Virginia state law, a situation that would presumably be alarming to the governor and legislature.

I like how he tries to justify his position with this nonsense.

"if no one ever shot the police during traffic stops i think they would behave differently at someone not stopping right away etc."
 

brycejones

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I know the last 2 times I have purchased cars in 2 different states the dealership taped the temporary tag to the back window. Neither of those states was VA so I can’t comment on how they do temporary tags there but it isn’t an uncommon practice to put temp tags in the window.
 
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Nothing about temporary/paper plates from the dealership, or WHERE on the back, nothing about "assigned plate mount ONLY". But you know this already, don'tchya shithead? :rolleyes:
He also knows it's not the owner of the new car who mounts those temporary license plate, it's the dealership where they purchase the car who know dawn well where they are to legally required to mount it. Just like he says it's the drivers fault looking for trouble, when he knows there is no damn way he can keep his hands outside of the vehicle, and get out of the vehicle at the same time because he can't reach in to unbuckle his seat belt or unlock his door. He's also purposely oblivious of the police officers actions and threats. He' just being a trolling fuck who knows damn well he is trolling and blatantly lying about the facts of the situation to argue in defense of these two clowns.
 
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As far as I can tell his argument is that excercising your right under Virginia law to drive to a well lit area is what justified the police brutalizing him and that in fact the driver should be thankful the police didn’t further harm him.

Apparently this is because he believes police officers’ commands override Virginia state law, a situation that would presumably be alarming to the governor and legislature.
Bs I never said shit about driving to a well lit area of course you are making up things. It was a possible stolen car / idk what else and how he was driving etc. You seem to fail to answer the question I asked you so why should I answer your nonsense question?? Heh love how people insult instead of real replies. Comply with police or be treated as a criminal until they sort it out. He wanted problems and he got them go figure. Not shocked the same people as every other thread chanting sue the police defund the police nonsense.. yes give the police less money so they can hire less qualified officers.. that makes sense.. they should require a real degree and pay them more.
 

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He also knows it's not the owner of the new car who mounts those temporary license plate, it's the dealership where they purchase the car who know dawn well where they are to legally required to mount it. Just like he says it's the drivers fault looking for trouble, when he knows there is no damn way he can keep his hands outside of the vehicle, and get out of the vehicle at the same time because he can't reach in to unbuckle his seat belt or unlock his door. He's also purposely oblivious of the police officers actions and threats. He' just being a trolling fuck who knows damn well he is trolling and blatantly lying about the facts of the situation to argue in defense of these two clowns.
He was obviously resisting the whole time. You didn't see him refuse to let the police open the door? (Used his arm to hold the door shut..) And you think that's ok??? ;) go try it out see how it works out for you
 

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show me the law that says you can put the paper plate in the window? still waiting.. but obviously you know everything so you must be right! the police state "FELONY STOP" they thought it was stolen or refusing to stop obviously there was more going on then a innocent guy getting harassed by the police. ( which in my case is what happened i matched the description of bank robbery)
You are complete idiot.. your argument consists of what YOU heard over the radio in the police car. And somehow in your feeble mind, that translates to the driver being aware of their intentions, when he did nothing wrong. Ignoring the fact that as soon as the vehicle went into the gas station where it is well lit, the temporary license is 100% visible.
 

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Bs I never said shit about driving to a well lit area of course you are making up things. It was a possible stolen car / idk what else and how he was driving etc. You seem to fail to answer the question I asked you so why should I answer your nonsense question?? Heh love how people insult instead of real replies. Comply with police or be treated as a criminal until they sort it out. He wanted problems and he got them go figure. Not shocked the same people as every other thread chanting sue the police defund the police nonsense.. yes give the police less money so they can hire less qualified officers.. that makes sense.. they should require a real degree and pay them more.
Nope, comply with the LAW, not the police if they are violating it. The governor and the state police are now investigating the officers involved in this incident so hopefully they get what’s coming to them. If they had just complied with the law they wouldn’t be in this situation. Why is it so hard to get cops to understand all they need to do is comply?

As for paying cops more I’m fine with that, but only if it comes with accountability, and that means when officers act like in this case we don’t need to have this discussion because they are already fired.
 
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He was obviously resisting the whole time. You didn't see him refuse to let the police open the door? (Used his arm to hold the door shut..) And you think that's ok??? ;) go try it out see how it works out for you

Resisting the whole time? You must have missed the threats prior by the police, the conflicting orders. etc. you are a fucking trolling idiot, ignoring the facts. Do you know what the fist requirement is for a police officer when pulling someone over is? Identifying the driver and inform them the reason they pulled them over. That didn't happen, these clowns, that you are trying to defend, immediately escalated the situation from the moment they stepped out of their squad car with guns drawn. You act like this guy just robbed a 7-11 or murdered someone.

edit: Hell, I was taking out of my own home at gun point by the police many years ago, because they thought my roommate and myself might be involved in an armed robbery up the street, that happened 30 minutes prior, because my roommates car fit the description, which the police knew the car from being at our neighbor's house a couple days before. (don't worry wasn't us) And yet, they still treated me with respect and informed me why, as soon as I came out of the bath room and saw them with their guns pointed my direction when I heard them call my name. And this was one week after the US bank 4 blocks away was bombed...

So don't' sit there and act like these idiots where in the right and the driver was in the wrong.
 
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brycejones

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Resisting the whole time? You must have missed the threats prior by the police, the conflicting orders. etc. you are a fucking trolling idiot, ignoring the facts. Do you know what the fist requirement is for a police officer when pulling someone over is? Identifying the driver and inform them the reason they pulled them over. That didn't happen, these clowns, that you are trying to defend, immediately escalated the situation from the moment they stepped out of their squad car with guns drawn. You act like this guy just robbed a 7-11 or murdered someone.
I think we need to keep in mind that wherever killster1 lives the cops appear to do the same thing and he is totally fine with it. I think most Americans are horrified by such behavior from cops by killster1 is completely desensitized to it and even accepts it as standard police practice for minor traffic stops. killster1 has been brutalized and basically thinks everyone should be brutalized like he has been.
 

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I don't know shit about Virginia law, but here in WA and in CA, when you buy a new vehicle, they tape a temporary registration in your rear window.
We were on the way to Wisconsin in 2005 to visit our son..and taking him one of our "extra" cars...when Iowa state cops stopped my wife foe no playes. One look at the temp registration and paperwork from the dealer...and ahe was in her way. (and the rear window in the Expedition she was driving was tinted to the max allowed in CA.)
 
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the driver wanted problems. i am surprised all he got was pepper spray. this is what happens when you think you don't have to obey police orders. they said "felony stop" on the radio before the officer got out of his patrol car. why didn't he just get out and lay on the ground?

I have had the same thing happen to me except i complied with the police orders toss teh keys on the ground get out and lay belly down on the dirty gas station ground.
You are allowed to drive to a well lit area period. If they hit the lights on a dark secluded HWY, I sure as hell wouldn't want my wife stopping as soon as the lights go on. What is not known is did this guy slow down and turn hazards on to let the officers know that he was aware they want to stop him.
You are flat out wrong here.

yea i know police in real life and they are regular people, they are not all assholes, and guess what many of their co-workers have been shot / stabbed on duty and it IS actually a very dangerous job, especially when people dont comply with orders and escalate the situations.

yea sue and win 0, you want the city to fork over tons because people think they are above the law, there is a similarity to all these video's the person does not comply and is shocked when the police have to spray / smash windows / pull people out through the window. 100% did not comply.


police did nothing wrong imo, people that have so much hate like you are the problem.. think they dont have to comply with the orders of the police and risk everyone's life along with their own because of it.

this exact shit has happened to me not one but 2 times *(first time i did have to lay down on stomach after exiting car but second only had to drop the keys out the window and keep hands up along with everyone else in the car)

welcome to reality buddy its a dangerous world out there and people that play games get problems.

I know cops in real life as well. from several cities. They covered for each other all the time. Frequented a bar I frequented as well.
One story I witnessed, was the going to the cops house after bar closed. The one guy from a different city, rolled and totaled his Ford Ranger in a field. It was laying on the roof. The friends of the city he was in, got a tow truck out there, and flipped and hauled off said ranger. No tickets, no citations, dude basically lost his vehicle. Also wound up at the party afterwards, needless to say all were drunk.

At another man in blues house party, he got very drunk, and wanted to go find some "Ni**ers" to shoot. ried to get me to go. He was going hunting.
I declined, and also left the house, parked my vehicle around the block and slept it off.

BTW this is in Detroit, you know that crime ridden place where everyone is a suspect until proven innocent.
 
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What is not known is did this guy slow down and turn hazards on to let the officers know that he was aware they want to stop him.
According to the article, apparently quoting the officer's statement or report, he did slow his speed and activate a turn signal. He pulled into the gas station less than a mile down the road. The police took that as "possible evading, felony stop".

Which of course, according to Virginia state law, was a bullshit proclamation for the officers to make.
 
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paper plates should be treated the same as regular plates, you cant even put the license plate in the front window must be mounted notice how no one posted a law that conflicts with teh law i posted? if no one ever shot the police during traffic stops i think they would behave differently at someone not stopping right away etc.

go ahead tho ill put it up to 100$ if you can show me where it says in the backwindow is oK! :) comply with the police if not they assume you are a criminal and will act accordingly.

Catch the drift of this?

What part of Police are NOT the LAW do you not get? Hell I would bet your your 100 that a majority of the officers, do NOT know the LAW, with exception of what they are trying to nail you with.
 
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According to the article, apparently quoting the officer's statement or report, he did slow his speed and activate a turn signal. He pulled into the gas station less than a mile down the road. The police took that as "possible evading, felony stop".

Which of course, according to Virginia state law, was a bullshit proclamation for the officers to make.

That sounds like one boring ass pursuit.

For the record they knew exactly what he was doing as well:

Bodycam footage shows Gutierrez telling Nazario he understood the lieutenant chose to continue driving before stopping at the gas station for safety reasons, and that it "happens all the time" and "80% of the time -- not always -- it's a minority."

@killster1 still sound a like a valid reason to declare the driver was eluding and it was a felony stop?
 
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I know the last 2 times I have purchased cars in 2 different states the dealership taped the temporary tag to the back window. Neither of those states was VA so I can’t comment on how they do temporary tags there but it isn’t an uncommon practice to put temp tags in the window.
I drove for 4 months with a temporary plate on my back windshield. I guess I should have looked up the law in order to validate... Because that's what everyone should do.