What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
how about quoting the whole thing if you had really read my post you could easily have seen i was referring to WAGGY NOT YOU when i said "steal".

but i guess actually reading someone elses post just required too much effort for you.

So, the part where you say "you and nik" you actually just mean "just you"?

...and then the next part where you say "nik and waggy" you mean "just waggy"?

Is that what you mean?

Wow, I sure am dumb for assuming that you were talking to me when you said my name.

there you go again, not quoting the context.

first you and nik talk about waiters shouldn't get what they don't deserve and then you go off and steal another $10.00 from the company?

anyone that's read my string of quotes KNOWS i'm referring to Waggy getting $10.00 back from corporate. if you have also done something similar and it is eating at you, deal with it, don't whine to me.

but the fact is, part of what i said was aimed at both of you part of it wasn't. that would have been obvious to anyone with more than a 3rd grade education.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
there you go again, not quoting the context.

first you and nik talk about waiters shouldn't get what they don't deserve and then you go off and steal another $10.00 from the company?

anyone that's read my string of quotes KNOWS i'm referring to Waggy getting $10.00 back from corporate. if you have also done something similar and it is eating at you, deal with it, don't whine to me.

but the fact is, part of what i said was aimed at both of you part of it wasn't. that would have been obvious to anyone with more than a 3rd grade education.

Actually, I remove all but the last post because it cuts down on HUUUUUUUGGE long unnecessary posts with text quoted dozens of times over on each page. It's for efficiency.

Now, getting back to business, if you want to refer to a specific person and no one else, don't put their name in the sentence. That's just common sense.

"Bob and Jim, will you hand me that keyboard?"
*bob and Jim both reach for the keyboard*
"uh, no, I wasn't talking to you, Bob. I was talking to Jim only. Jesus, you're stupid."

:roll:

Seriously, back to the topic PG. Do you have anything to add to the conversation that hasn't already been defeated? Do you have any new argument as to how customers are responsible for the employer's decision on wages?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
there you go again, not quoting the context.

first you and nik talk about waiters shouldn't get what they don't deserve and then you go off and steal another $10.00 from the company?

anyone that's read my string of quotes KNOWS i'm referring to Waggy getting $10.00 back from corporate. if you have also done something similar and it is eating at you, deal with it, don't whine to me.

but the fact is, part of what i said was aimed at both of you part of it wasn't. that would have been obvious to anyone with more than a 3rd grade education.

Actually, I remove all but the last post because it cuts down on HUUUUUUUGGE long unnecessary posts with text quoted dozens of times over on each page. It's for efficiency.

Now, getting back to business, if you want to refer to a specific person and no one else, don't put their name in the sentence. That's just common sense.

"Bob and Jim, will you hand me that keyboard?"
*bob and Jim both reach for the keyboard*
"uh, no, I wasn't talking to you, Bob. I was talking to Jim only. Jesus, you're stupid."

:roll:

Seriously, back to the topic PG. Do you have anything to add to the conversation that hasn't already been defeated? Do you have any new argument as to how customers are responsible for the employer's decision on wages?

first you and nik talk about waiters shouldn't get what they don't deserve and then you go off and steal another $10.00 from the company?

would you like for me to diagram the sentence for you? the grammar might not be perfect, but i referred to waggy as "you" and nik as "nik". in the sentence, You (waggy) and nik talk about waiters shouldnt get what they don't deserve and then YOU (WAGGY) . . ."

any questions? btw, you analogy was ludicrous and no where close to my orginal sentence.

as to you opinion regarding tipping and how you think society should change to fit your personal views.

tipping is a social contract. it's an unspoken one, but everyone that walks into a restaruant walks in KNOWING that the help (waiters/waitresses, bus boys etc) are underpaid SPECIFICALLY so that the customer can pay them according to the service they recieve.

if you walked into a restaruant and the food just tasted HORRIBLE but the waiter/waitress was EXTREMELY friendly, helpful (well except the part about the food tasting bad), non obtrusive, all the things one looks for in a server, would you again refuse to tip because the food was bad?

you pay the restaruant for the FOOD and you tip (pay) the waiter/waitress for the service.

if we didn't, all waiters/waitresses would be as rude as airline stewards/stewardesses.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
would you like for me to diagram the sentence for you? the grammar might not be perfect, but i referred to waggy as "you" and nik as "nik". in the sentence, You (waggy) and nik talk about waiters shouldnt get what they don't deserve and then YOU (WAGGY) . . ."

any questions? btw, you analogy was ludicrous and no where close to my orginal sentence.

as to you opinion regarding tipping and how you think society should change to fit your personal views.

tipping is a social contract. it's an unspoken one, but everyone that walks into a restaruant walks in KNOWING that the help (waiters/waitresses, bus boys etc) are underpaid SPECIFICALLY so that the customer can pay them according to the service they recieve.

if you walked into a restaruant and the food just tasted HORRIBLE but the waiter/waitress was EXTREMELY friendly, helpful (well except the part about the food tasting bad), non obtrusive, all the things one looks for in a server, would you again refuse to tip because the food was bad?

you pay the restaruant for the FOOD and you tip (pay) the waiter/waitress for the service.

if we didn't, all waiters/waitresses would be as rude as airline stewards/stewardesses.

Social contract! LMAO!

oh man... here we go again with the whole bullsh|t about how the burden is on the customer to make sure the waiter is paid enough. :roll:

The money you pay isn't just for food, it's for service. That's why it's so much more expensive than buying the food at a supermaket.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
would you like for me to diagram the sentence for you? the grammar might not be perfect, but i referred to waggy as "you" and nik as "nik". in the sentence, You (waggy) and nik talk about waiters shouldnt get what they don't deserve and then YOU (WAGGY) . . ."

any questions? btw, you analogy was ludicrous and no where close to my orginal sentence.

as to you opinion regarding tipping and how you think society should change to fit your personal views.

tipping is a social contract. it's an unspoken one, but everyone that walks into a restaruant walks in KNOWING that the help (waiters/waitresses, bus boys etc) are underpaid SPECIFICALLY so that the customer can pay them according to the service they recieve.

if you walked into a restaruant and the food just tasted HORRIBLE but the waiter/waitress was EXTREMELY friendly, helpful (well except the part about the food tasting bad), non obtrusive, all the things one looks for in a server, would you again refuse to tip because the food was bad?

you pay the restaruant for the FOOD and you tip (pay) the waiter/waitress for the service.

if we didn't, all waiters/waitresses would be as rude as airline stewards/stewardesses.

Social contract! LMAO!

oh man... here we go again with the whole bullsh|t about how the burden is on the customer to make sure the waiter is paid enough. :roll:

The money you pay isn't just for food, it's for service. That's why it's so much more expensive than buying the food at a supermaket.

if you really believe that, you are pretty stupid.

70% of small business in the US go out of business their first 3 years. restaraunts are not that far off that number.

do you honestly think that many restaraunts would go out of business if there margin were truly that generous?

the amount on the bill is for the food, the lease payment, the liquor license, the chef, the food, the liquor, the advertising, the POS system, the decour.

the "SERVICE" is what the waiter/waitress supplies. that you pay for with you tip.

that is the system, like it or not.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
would you like for me to diagram the sentence for you? the grammar might not be perfect, but i referred to waggy as "you" and nik as "nik". in the sentence, You (waggy) and nik talk about waiters shouldnt get what they don't deserve and then YOU (WAGGY) . . ."

any questions? btw, you analogy was ludicrous and no where close to my orginal sentence.

as to you opinion regarding tipping and how you think society should change to fit your personal views.

tipping is a social contract. it's an unspoken one, but everyone that walks into a restaruant walks in KNOWING that the help (waiters/waitresses, bus boys etc) are underpaid SPECIFICALLY so that the customer can pay them according to the service they recieve.

if you walked into a restaruant and the food just tasted HORRIBLE but the waiter/waitress was EXTREMELY friendly, helpful (well except the part about the food tasting bad), non obtrusive, all the things one looks for in a server, would you again refuse to tip because the food was bad?

you pay the restaruant for the FOOD and you tip (pay) the waiter/waitress for the service.

if we didn't, all waiters/waitresses would be as rude as airline stewards/stewardesses.

Social contract! LMAO!

oh man... here we go again with the whole bullsh|t about how the burden is on the customer to make sure the waiter is paid enough. :roll:

The money you pay isn't just for food, it's for service. That's why it's so much more expensive than buying the food at a supermaket.

btw, many many people in this thread have already responded more than sufficiently to this stupid point, the fact that you choose to either ignore those points or pretend that they are just flat wrong doesn't mean it hasn't been dealt with.

in you little word, if you respond to someone elses point, no matter how stupid your own response, that particular issue is DONE.

others respond to you and in your little world, no matter how valid the point, if it doesn't agree with you, it's just flat out wrong.

:roll:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
if you really believe that, you are pretty stupid.

70% of all small business in the US go out of business their first 3 years. restaraunts are not that far off that number.

do you honestly think that many restaraunts would go out of business if there margin were truly that generous?

the amount on the bill is for the food, the lease payment, the liquor license, the chef, the food, the liquor, the advertising, the POS system, the decour.

the "SERVICE" is what the waiter/waitress supplies. that you pay for with you tip.

that is the system, like it or not.

blah blah blah, thanks for beating the dead horse. Nothing said here that hasn't been revealed as bullsh|t ealier in this thread.

The "service" is what the waiter/waitress is REQUIRED to supply because that's in their JOB description. The money I pay at the end of the night that's listed on the bill gets split up for everything that you said, but it also includes wages in general. Not this fvcking horsesh|t about wages for everyone EXCEPT the waitresses garbage. It's everyone's wages.

Oregon and the other states previously mentioned in this thread are proof of this. If you don't understand that, go back and read the entire thread over again.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

One thing I can say for sure on this subject is that failing to tip is a surefire way NOT to get laid at the end of the night (it's even more reliable in this regard than using one of those Entertainment coupon-book coupons). Chicks don't dig cheap bastards.

FWIW, I think Nik has every right to be a cheap, pathetic asshole, just as the rest of us have every right to point it out.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: DonVito
One thing I can say for sure on this subject is that failing to tip is a surefire way NOT to get laid at the end of the night (it's even more reliable in this regard than using one of those Entertainment coupon-book coupons). Chicks don't dig cheap bastards.

FWIW, I think Nik has every right to be a cheap, pathetic asshole, just as the rest of us have every right to point it out.

agreed, nik has every right to be who he is.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Yup, I have every right to expect customer service from a customer service job. I also have every right to decide when to reward hard work.

 

[Halin]

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

they get paid like $3 dollars an hour, tips are really important

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Halin

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

they get paid like $3 dollars an hour, tips are really important

No, they get $3/hour, getting a job that pays better is really important. If they're willing to work for the $3/hour, that's their problem. Tips are voluntary, not manditory and I refuse to reward anyone who demands a tip.

 

[Landroval]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Landroval
I really doubt you would be a successful waiter or be hired at a respectable establishment. You need certain skills, appearance, etc. that you appear to lack.

Why? All I'd have to do is throw some plates on the table, apparently, and stand there with my hand out waiting for people to tip me. Hell, I'm a waiter so I somehow automagically deserve a tip, right? Right?

:roll:

Don't assume anything about me. You have yet to be a customer of mine. You seem to ignore the parts of this thread that actually do me any credit or justice and I'm sick and tired of saying things over and over again because the same folks that say I don't listen are the only ones who aren't listening to "the other side." I've been in customer service since I was 16. So either become a customer of mine so I can prove what ya'll don't seem to believe or eat my nuts. I really don't care which because I enjoy both.

I have seen and heard far more than enough of you to know you have a severe anger management problem and little respect for the majority of posters here. I was not joking when I said you would probably not be hired as a waiter of a decent establishment. Do you really need to curse and scream at people in nearly every one of your posts to make your point?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Halin

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

they get paid like $3 dollars an hour, tips are really important

You're talking to a brick wall. Don't waste your time, even though you're 100% right.

 

[hippy]

No, they get $3/hour, getting a job that pays better is really important. If they're willing to work for the $3/hour, that's their problem. Tips are voluntary, not manditory and I refuse to reward anyone who demands a tip.

Tips are voluntary, not manditory and I refuse to reward anyone who demands a tip

I guess you missed when the IRS made the manditory requirement that all servers that receive tip compensation as part of thier income must declare (whether or not if it was what they actually made or not) 15-18 % of their daily sales each year.


Tips are the income for most people in the food and bev biz. They get taxed every day for what peeps like you think you are too big to give. LOL

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: hippy

No, they get $3/hour, getting a job that pays better is really important. If they're willing to work for the $3/hour, that's their problem. Tips are voluntary, not manditory and I refuse to reward anyone who demands a tip.

Tips are voluntary, not manditory and I refuse to reward anyone who demands a tip

I guess you missed when the IRS made the manditory requirement that all servers that receive tip compensation as part of thier income must declare (whether or not if it was what they actually made or not) 15-18 % of their daily sales each year.


Tips are the income for most people in the food and bev biz. They get taxed every day for what peeps like you think you are too big to give. LOL

The IRS requires that waiters claim tips on their taxes because they're greedy too. The IRS does not require that I tip.

How hard is that to understand?

 

[hippy]

The IRS requires that waiters claim tips on their taxes because they're greedy too. The IRS does not require that I tip.

How hard is that to understand?

Not hard at all... It just proves that you are a wimp and a ass is all.

 

[Anubis]

im not reading all this, however nik has every right to not tip anyone he feels does not deserve one, I agree with him, we should NOT TIP ANYONE,

it should be illegal to pay a food server less then min wage, they barley make 1/2 that, fvck people at McDs make more then min wage

and do most of you realize that in just about every other country they think tipping is rude, and get angry at you when you leave a tip, they do not ask nor expect any tip, and they all do the same things they do over here, take your order and bring me my food,

hell the person at Dunkin donuts takes my order and goes and gets my bagel and whatnot, i don't tip him, and you would think i was stupid for doing so

i do tip when i eat out, but only because societ makes me, it pains me to do so and really think it should stop

 

[hippy]

Originally posted by: Anubis
im not reading all this, however nik has every right to not tip anyone he feels does not deserve one, I agree with him, we should NOT TIP ANYONE,

it should be illegal to pay a food server less then min wage, they barley make 1/2 that, fvck people at McDs make more then min wage

and do most of you realize that in just about every other country they think tipping is rude, and get angry at you when you leave a tip, they do not ask nor expect any tip, and they all do the same things they do over here, take your order and bring me my food,

hell the person at Dunkin donuts takes my order and goes and gets my bagel and whatnot, i don't tip him, and you would think i was stupid for doing so

i do tip when i eat out, but only because societ makes me, it pains me to do so and really think it should stop

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKyyyDOky

 

[brigden]

The ONLY reason people choose not to tip is due to being cheap.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: brigden
The ONLY reason people choose not to tip is due to being cheap.

Lies.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: brigden
The ONLY reason people choose not to tip is due to being cheap.

QFT.

 

[hippy]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: brigden
The ONLY reason people choose not to tip is due to being cheap.

Lies.

Spoken like a true pissant. lol

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: brigden
The ONLY reason people choose not to tip is due to being cheap.

QFT.

:brokenheart: but QFT

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't have a problem with people being cheapskates (as long as I'm not eating with them). I think it's pathetic and sad, but who am I to prevent another person from acting like a jerk? What I do have a problem with, though, is people trying to justify it as a coherent philosophical position, as opposed to just admitting they're cheap. That's pathological.