What do you object to about Christianity?

[HumblePie]

You're barking up the wrong tree. Stop obsessing over the goddamn shoulder as if it matters.

It doesn't matter, but it's an indicative indicator on the fact that people are willing the believe the most wildest claims because someone from authority stated as such.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

HAHA. Now I know you're full of shit. The entire premise of the Church is to go once a week to get re-brainwashed to think how they want you to think, not think for yourself.

Sure, no church discourages you from thinking in and of itself, but they tell you what to think, how to think, and when to think it.

Sorry, you had a bad experience. Look for another church. That hasn't been my experience at all.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

It doesn't matter, but it's an indicative indicator on the fact that people are willing the believe the most wildest claims because someone from authority stated as such.

It seems like you guys are competing to see who's more obnoxious.

 

[Jeff7]

<The Bible, summarized>

...

The bible is so fucking ludicrous I'm surprised it took me as long as it did to break out of that stupid brainwashed cult.

"Men rarely if ever dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. " &#8212; Robert A. Heinlein

The Greek gods were fun too. Look at Zeus - killed his own father to gain the throne. So nice that even our deities are power-hungry and prone to murder one another.

For the most part, deities we humans come up with are cruel, sadistic, and inconsistent. (And they're invariably undetectable by any means we possess. You'd think that at least one of the thousands of gods would decide to be visible.)

--OH THAT'S RIGHT, I knew I forgot something. Be right back while I create angels... perfect beings with no soul but cannot sin. POOF, okay that's done. Now, where was I? Oh, right, back to fucking over my new creation that I'll call "man." Now, when they're in this prison with all this great stuff and naive and don't know what sin is, I'll just sit back and let them sin even though I have the power to stop them and therefore systematically wipe out all negative anything and everything for all of my creation's existence... but where's the fun in that?"

Oops...dammit, apparently those perfect angel things are actually imperfect - one of them has gone and turned against me.
...and now he's screwing with my perfect creations!
Nuts, he just tricked one of them into doing something I told them not to do! Well, I could either fix the systemic bugs that are apparently left in my humans and my angels.....nah. I hate debugging things anyway. If things get bad enough, I'll just wipe them all out and let them start over.



I don't know, maybe this universe is just some idiot preschooler's afternoon creation project. If this is the work of an all-powerful, all-knowing being, well, it's pretty goddamn pathetic, and that's an understatement.

Okay, we know that Adam and Eve lived in a perfect environment until they brought sin and death into the world by disobeying God. Is it fair that we are suffering the effects of their actions? Good question.

Doesn't your book have that answer?

 

[sandorski]

I'm not sure what organization you were associated with, but I've never been to a church that discourages you from thinking.

They didn't discourage it, they just encouraged things that prevented Thinking. Like "Surrendering to God's Will" and acceptance of the Bible as "the inerrant Word of God, suitable for...."

2 things I suspect you hear all too often and have embraced. It shows.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

If you're going to link something to back up your claims, it would be nice if it weren't an agenda-driving religious website. People see those kinds of sites the same way they see your opinion: brainwashed, believe anything that will support what you want to support kinda thing.

Find an unbias source to cite.

The authors have impeccable credentials. It's not my fault that some individuals can't get around their bigotry.

 

[HumblePie]

It seems like you guys are competing to see who's more obnoxious.

Because I'm busting your bubble of ignorant bliss?

 

[Nik]

It doesn't matter, but it's an indicative indicator on the fact that people are willing the believe the most wildest claims because someone from authority stated as such.

No, as is common, people who know what they're talking about come to a conclusion and explain it to the rest of the world. Then the rest of the idiots in the world, like playing the telephone game, pass down the dumbest shit anyone's ever heard, like the shoulder mattering in a crucifiction, as a replacement for the proper explanation.

Then, people like you get ahold of it and FUCKING RUN WITH IT like YOU, and say the whole thing must be a lie because the explanation you heard from some dumbass doesn't make sense.

Then there's folks like us and, you know, the rest of the educated world, who know what they're talking about.

We're not talking about the shoulder. Shut the fuck up about the goddamn shoulder.

 

[HumblePie]

No, as is common, people who know what they're talking about come to a conclusion and explain it to the rest of the world. Then the rest of the idiots in the world, like playing the telephone game, pass down the dumbest shit anyone's ever heard, like the shoulder mattering in a crucifiction, as a replacement for the proper explanation.

Then, people like you get ahold of it and FUCKING RUN WITH IT like YOU, and say the whole thing must be a lie because the explanation you heard from some dumbass doesn't make sense.

Then there's folks like us and, you know, the rest of the educated world, who know what they're talking about.

We're not talking about the shoulder. Shut the fuck up about the goddamn shoulder.

Then why even argue such a stupid point in the first place the moment I brought up that death by asphyxiation on a cross is a myth?

 

[Nik]

The authors have impeccable credentials. It's not my fault that some individuals can't get around their bigotry.

No, but it's your responsibility to present credible evidence. Since you know they (we) will immediately discredit your attempt because it's a website written by agenda-driven brainwashed psychopaths like yourself, we're less inclined to take what you say or what you link seriously.

Now, with regard to the particulars of the cross, I'm right with you (and that's where it stops), but if you're going to convince anyone you'll need to cite something that someone else is willing to accept -something that doesn't have all your slimy christian fingers all over it.

That being said, if you're not interested in actually convincing someone, like your religion says you should be, you're not doing anything more than upsetting the masses and arguing for the sake of arguing, which the Bible condemns.

So which is it? Are you a failure or a sinner?

 

[Nik]

Then why even argue such a stupid point in the first place the moment I brought up that death by asphyxiation on a cross is a myth?

Because it's not a myth. The mechanics of it seem to be beyond your seemingly-toddler-level grasp.

That's like me saying it takes gas to run a car and you arguing that gas cannot feed the driver which is required but would in fact kill him so therefore gas cannot power an automobile

Either stop typing and educate yourself on the matter or stop typing and don't. Either way, shut the hell up already.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

They didn't discourage it, they just encouraged things that prevented Thinking. Like "Surrendering to God's Will" and acceptance of the Bible as "the inerrant Word of God, suitable for...."

2 things I suspect you hear all too often and have embraced. It shows.

It's pretty clear I'm a Christian. Why would you be surprised that I follow the precepts of Christianity?

 

[HumblePie]

Because it's not a myth. The mechanics of it seem to be beyond your seemingly-toddler-level grasp.

That's like me saying it takes gas to run a car and you arguing that gas cannot feed the driver which is required but would in fact kill him so therefore gas cannot power an automobile

Either stop typing and educate yourself on the matter or stop typing and don't. Either way, shut the hell up already.

Oh wait because one person, Pierre Barbet, made a theory on that death by asphyxiation would occur due to hyper expansion of the chest when the arms are suspended, now it's a fucking matter of fact? When tests done afterward have shown this NOT to be the case? When people do this shit on a regular basis and prove this not to be the case? And anyone with a basic understanding of anatomy would realize how stupid that sounds. Then you state I have a toddler level grasp of this. Yah, you are one special case alright.

 

[sandorski]

It's pretty clear I'm a Christian. Why would you be surprised that I follow the precepts of Christianity?

Then you have effectively shutoff the Critical Thought process regarding specific issues. Just like I did.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

No, but it's your responsibility to present credible evidence. Since you know they (we) will immediately discredit your attempt because it's a website written by agenda-driven brainwashed psychopaths like yourself, we're less inclined to take what you say or what you link seriously.

Now, with regard to the particulars of the cross, I'm right with you (and that's where it stops), but if you're going to convince anyone you'll need to cite something that someone else is willing to accept -something that doesn't have all your slimy christian fingers all over it.

That being said, if you're not interested in actually convincing someone, like your religion says you should be, you're not doing anything more than upsetting the masses and arguing for the sake of arguing, which the Bible condemns.

So which is it? Are you a failure or a sinner?

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. If you ask me a question, I'll try to answer it and if I don't know, I'll try to lead you in the right direction. It's more or less a free country (at the moment). What you believe is your own business.

 

[Nik]

It's pretty clear I'm a Christian. Why would you be surprised that I follow the precepts of Christianity?

Because those "precepts" are based on interpretation and human beings, being fucking retarded, like to do things like twist what the bible says to fit what they want it to say.

When someone says that they're Christian, you almost need to interrogate them with 50,000 questions to find out just what sect of christianity they best fall into. Plain and simple, it doesn't matter what you SAY you are, there IS a popular sect out there that you fall squarely into no matter how much you rant and rave that you're "not one of THOSE kinds of Christian."

I'm still waiting on your proof -hell, I'll even take the suggestion of evidence at this point, for man's soul.

I'm also waiting on the answer to WHY you believe.

I know I'll never get answers from you on these, but I like to press them anyway to prove that you're nothing more than 1) a flaming troll or 2) someone with a mind simple enough to fall into this rubbish without the mental wherewithall to see his way out.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Because I'm busting your bubble of ignorant bliss?

Quoting Ronald Reagan, "There you go again".

 

[Nik]

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. If you ask me a question, I'll try to answer it and if I don't know, I'll try to lead you in the right direction. It's more or less a free country (at the moment). What you believe is your own business.

I've already asked you several questions to which you've conveniently ignored them.

I don't care whether it's legal or illegal to believe what you want to believe.

See? You're inching closer to the "well you can't prove he DOESN'T exist and I don't have to have a reason to believe" answer that I said earlier that you'd eventually come to.

Is it 90 minutes from that post yet? Would be kinda funny if it were. :awe:

 

[Nik]

Oh wait because one person, Pierre Barbet, made a theory on that death by asphyxiation would occur due to hyper expansion of the chest when the arms are suspended, now it's a fucking matter of fact? When tests done afterward have shown this NOT to be the case? When people do this shit on a regular basis and prove this not to be the case? And anyone with a basic understanding of anatomy would realize how stupid that sounds. Then you state I have a toddler level grasp of this. Yah, you are one special case alright.

Yes. Because one man in the whole of human history knows anything about crucifixion.

You realize your arms are connected to your body through more than bones, right? These magical connective things are called "tissues" and they don't stretch for an eternity.

God... it's so frustratingly simple that I don't even want to explain this to you.

In fact, I don't think I'll bother. If you want to continue being a dumbass, that's your right.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Because those "precepts" are based on interpretation and human beings, being fucking retarded, like to do things like twist what the bible says to fit what they want it to say.

When someone says that they're Christian, you almost need to interrogate them with 50,000 questions to find out just what sect of christianity they best fall into. Plain and simple, it doesn't matter what you SAY you are, there IS a popular sect out there that you fall squarely into no matter how much you rant and rave that you're "not one of THOSE kinds of Christian."

I'm still waiting on your proof -hell, I'll even take the suggestion of evidence at this point, for man's soul.

I'm also waiting on the answer to WHY you believe.

I know I'll never get answers from you on these, but I like to press them anyway to prove that you're nothing more than 1) a flaming troll or 2) someone with a mind simple enough to fall into this rubbish without the mental wherewithall to see his way out.

I believe that believing takes a lot less faith than not believing.

With all due respect, are you okay?

 

[Nik]

I believe that believing takes a lot less faith than not believing.

With all due respect, are you okay?

You believe that believing takes less faith than not believing?

What about "there's no proof..." is harder to believe than "there's proof but nobody in the history of mankind has ever seen it"?

(for the record, I've seen this answer a billion times and know where it's leading too so feel free to just answer honestly so we can get this over with)

 

[Nik]

Edit: I guess I'll just skip ahead 90 minutes in the conversation and ask you why YOU believe. Why do you? What have you seen to make you believe? What have you heard to make you believe?

WHY do you believe?

This posted at 6:55pm pacific. It's now 8:02pm. 60 minutes isn't 90 minutes, but I damn near called it as usual

Here's where the rest of the thread is going to go:

Then, I'll skip forward another billion posts and draw the conclusion that you, just like every single other religious nutjob I've asked, cannot explain why they believe or don't believe without resorting to "well you can't prove he doesn't exist" and all of that nonsense.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

I've already asked you several questions to which you've conveniently ignored them.

I don't care whether it's legal or illegal to believe what you want to believe.

See? You're inching closer to the "well you can't prove he DOESN'T exist and I don't have to have a reason to believe" answer that I said earlier that you'd eventually come to.

Is it 90 minutes from that post yet? Would be kinda funny if it were. :awe:

I'm not inching towards that at all. And I'm going to bed. Early day tomorrow.

 

[Nik]

Do you have your eyes closed, fingers in your ears, and are you chanting "NUH UH! NUH UH! NUH UH!" when you typed that? Hehe.

 

[gorobei]

at what point can we start a poll to vote for ban?