What do you object to about Christianity?

[PhoKingGuy]

Wow, what Catholic school did you go to? I certainly don't recall that being in the math/science classes when I went to one. Even now that I teach in one, I can say that this isn't how we run science classes at my school.

Carden Academy. It was billed as a secular school in the brochure, but it wasn't.

 

[xanis]

Okay, we covered that a tenet of Christianity is that rejection of God results in eternal damination. That's a legitmate objection to Christianity.

I don't get the second part. Hatred of "gays, believers in other religions, etcetera" philosophy" isn't a tenet of Christianity.

I didn't say anything about hatred. I'm saying that Christianity essentially says that if you decide to engage with sexual relations with a member of the same gender, you go to hell because it's against God's will – a god that's supposed to love everyone.

If condemning a person to eternal damnation just because they did something that you don't like isn't intolerant, I don't know what is.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Anyone who thinks some magical higher power made all of this without proof is a waste of space. Hopefully some period of my lifetime will have an end to any sort of religious nonsense.

This goes for scientists that shun new theories too. A number of discoveries have been made by scientists with balls large enough to try something out without fear of being criticized.

In fact. Fuck everyone.

So you don't object Christianity specifically, you just object to the belief in God in general. That's legit.

 

[JackBurton]

I object to that too. I think that that the bread and wine served in communion are symbolic.

Yes, symbolic for flesh and blood, hence the pretending to drink your God's blood. I'd classify that as cult behavior.

 

[dighn]

Have you ever considered that you may throwing out the baby with the bath water?

Possibly, but I haven't found a religion that I consider to have a rational world view.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Yes, symbolic for flesh and blood, hence the pretending to drink your God's blood. I'd classify that as cult behavior.

That's your opinion, and your certainly entitled to it.

Christian communion is basically a remberance ceremony.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Possibly, but I haven't found a religion that I consider to have a rational world view.

What do you find irrational about Christianity that hasn't already been mentioned?

 

[magomago]

This thread is going places!

 

[dighn]

What do you find irrational about Christianity that hasn't already been mentioned?

I'm afraid this may come down to a fundamental difference in philosophy. I find religion irrational in general, in that certain claims are made with no supporting evidence at all, and there is no flexibility to alter these claims should conflicting or more likely explainations are made. It requires a leap of faith and an unconditional acceptance of that faith; this is fundamentally irrational to me.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

I'm afraid this may come down to a fundamental difference in philosophy. I find religion irrational in general, in that certain claims are made with no supporting evidence at all, and there is no flexibility to alter these claims should conflicting or more likely explainations are made. It requires a leap of faith and an unconditional acceptance of that faith; this is fundamentally irrational to me.

Which claims are you referring to?

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

This thread is going places!

My take a way so far is that most people who object to Christianity either really don't know why, or lack a fundamental understanding of Christianities tenets.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Well, people have been believing in religion since almost the beginning. And we have thrived during that time.

The vast majority of our laws in the US were originally established along the lines of Christianity.
The Ten Commandments are well-represented in our laws.
Don't lie. Don't steal. Don't commit adultery. Don't kill.
Keep the Sabbath day holy....typical work week includes which day? Sunday. But people are allowed to work if they want.

It's well-documented (and really not even debatable, despite the 'forefather revisionists') that the USA was basically established as a free Christian nation that allows people to believe what they want and practice any form or religion they want, as long as it doesn't break laws or affect others.

And, not by accident, the USA is the most successful nation in the history of the Earth.

I'm not a religious person at all, but I'm not blind to Christianity's part in making this nation what it is, either.

Got that completely backwards, the USA is the first nation to be organized as a secular government.

 

[magomago]

You know what - I'll bite.

I'll base this on the most common interpretations of the Bible. FYI, I have a lot of respect for Christians as great people, and I respect their belief system, but if you are asking about what issues people have, I'll speak on the basis of your invitation. This would probably be easier if I knew what sect of Christianity you believed in.

(a) I don't get the fact that God isn't a singular force. It isn't real monotheism.
(b) I don't understand the entire premise of why we need to be saved. Saved from what? Why can't God, if it is all powerful, simply forgive? Why does a God (who is supposed to be omnipotent and invincible) have to spawn off a third of himself to be sent for a sacrifice? Where is the logic in that? I understand the concept of faith (belief that there is a God), but I'm curious why this elaborate logic must exist.
(c) Why do we need to be forgiven? A single act of sin results in damnation? If God is just, how can that be? Why should original sin impact every human? Should we be responsible for what happened ?????? years ago?

I'd ask more, but its hard without knowing your actual positions.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Got that completely backwards, the USA is the first nation to be organized as a secular government.

Based on Christian principles. Fact.

 

[magomago]

My take a way so far is that most people who object to Christianity either really don't know why, or lack a fundamental understanding of Christianities tenets.

Uh or the basic fact that you think a serious discussion is going to happen on ATOT. If you are serious, you'd find a religion forum to discuss this in a more respectful manner, otherwise prepare for ATOT to crap on anything that might potentially displease the zerg.

 

[CycloWizard]

I was forced into Catholic school from grades 4-7, worst years of my life and affirmed my hatred for all forms of organized religion(extortion).

The best part was we had these bullshit science textbooks that started out with the basis of why religion was more trustworthy than science and how the world was 7000something years old and man lived with dinosaurs because it said so in the bible. When it came to the tests for the book I never wrote down the religious explanations for questions and would get them wrong, I eventually got sent to the principal where I told her the book was full of shit and I had every right to put down what I believed.

They didn't bother me with that from then on

I think that whole experience was just an exercise for me on how to troll people. I finally convinced my parents to let me go to public school from 8th grade onwards (which I loved and excelled academically)

Sounds like you fell off the short bus at the wrong stop, as no Catholic school would ever teach that.

 

[magomago]

Based on Christian principles. Fact.

FACT? LAWL?

Yes, because its such fact, that the founders sought to invoke the word 'Bible' and 'Jesus' in all of our important governmental institutions.

Deists whom most believed in the concept of a force or existence called God? Yes. Christians? Some.

Founding the country explicitly based on Christian principles? Ya right.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

You know what - I'll bite.

I'll base this on the most common interpretations of the Bible. FYI, I have a lot of respect for Christians as great people, and I respect their belief system, but if you are asking about what issues people have, I'll speak on the basis of your invitation. This would probably be easier if I knew what sect of Christianity you believed in.

(a) I don't get the fact that God isn't a singular force. It isn't real monotheism.
(b) I don't understand the entire premise of why we need to be saved. Saved from what? Why can't God, if it is all powerful, simply forgive? Why does a God (who is supposed to be omnipotent and invincible) have to spawn off a third of himself to be sent for a sacrifice? Where is the logic in that? I understand the concept of faith (belief that there is a God), but I'm curious why this elaborate logic must exist.
(c) Why do we need to be forgiven? A single act of sin results in damnation? If God is just, how can that be? Why should original sin impact every human? Should we be responsible for what happened ?????? years ago?

I'd ask more, but its hard without knowing your actual positions.

I read and study and form my own opinions. I'm not bound by the beliefs of any particular sect.

Good points. For "a", are you referring to the trinity?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Since there's such strong opinions here, there must be something.

It does not appear to be true.

 

[PhineasJWhoopee]

Uh or the basic fact that you think a serious discussion is going to happen on ATOT. If you are serious, you'd find a religion forum to discuss this in a more respectful manner, otherwise prepare for ATOT to crap on anything that might potentially displease the zerg.

It seems to me that if someone has a really strong opinion against something he/she should at least have reasons why and be able to articulate them.

 

[Pacfanweb]

FACT? LAWL?

Yes, because its such fact, that the founders sought to invoke the word 'Bible' and 'Jesus' in all of our important governmental institutions.

Deists whom most believed in the concept of a force or existence called God? Yes. Christians? Some.

Founding the country explicitly based on Christian principles? Ya right.

It's true.

And they didn't use "bible" or "Jesus"...they used "Creator".

Do some research on the people who wrote the documents, it's all easy to find. It's based on Christian principles, yet the gov't isn't allowed to interfere in Church affairs, and everyone is free to believe/practice what they want. Great system.

 

[Miramonti]

The Christians. Particularly many evies and fundies.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I was forced into Catholic school from grades 4-7, worst years of my life and affirmed my hatred for all forms of organized religion(extortion).

The best part was we had these bullshit science textbooks that started out with the basis of why religion was more trustworthy than science and how the world was 7000something years old and man lived with dinosaurs because it said so in the bible. When it came to the tests for the book I never wrote down the religious explanations for questions and would get them wrong, I eventually got sent to the principal where I told her the book was full of shit and I had every right to put down what I believed.

They didn't bother me with that from then on

I think that whole experience was just an exercise for me on how to troll people. I finally convinced my parents to let me go to public school from 8th grade onwards (which I loved and excelled academically)

That defiantly was not a Catholic School. I think you've developed your trolling skillz to the point of making up stories just to have something to post.

 

[magomago]

I read and study and form my own opinions. I'm not bound by the beliefs of any particular sect.

Good points. For "a", are you referring to the trinity?

Yes I'm referring to the trinity. I've also read a lot about religion as it interests me. No matter how many articles I read, or defense of Trinitarian view of Christianity, it seems clear to me that the trinity isn't real monotheism, but was made as a compromise between the competing views of God as Christianity was solidifying its hierarchy under the direction of Empire (Go and Read about the Aryan Controversy, excuse my spelling)


And if you had a specific sect (for example: Catholicism, Evangelicals, etc.) I'd probably bring up a few points. But when you make it non denominational the way you do, one really has to know your beliefs before anything can be addressed.

 

[magomago]

It seems to me that if someone has a really strong opinion against something he/she should at least have reasons why and be able to articulate them.

Clearly you haven't spent enough time in ATOT :twisted: