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this is lies... we are not killer.

I don't get this. The Ottoman (Young Turk) genocide against the Armenians is well documented and was well reported at the time. No one on the scene was under any illusion that it wasn't happening. Ditto for the Ottoman attacks on the Greeks. The key here is that it happened under Ottoman rule and specifically under the proto-fascist Young Turk movement. The new Turkish government, rising from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire, could have simply said "Yeah, those guys were bastards. We're not those guys." much in line with Kemal's stance and gone on building the modern nation. Instead they continue to flat out lie about the genocide. It's a stupid, self-defeating approach to history.
 
Oh, I know something else about Turkey, or at least I suspect this to be true. Based on anecdotal evidence - a sudden influx of Turkish posters - they're engaged in using Internet forums and other social media for positive PR.
 
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Hi. I am Turkish and I just registered for replying "the genocide(!)" posts.

sorry for my bad english.

First of all it all happens during at WW1. And Armanians were helping the russians. Ottoman had to prevent that armenians helping russians. Because of that Ottoman had to force Armenians migration. Armenians in their way to migration were killed by kurds and russians.

To sum up Turks did not kill Armenians. Kurds and Russians did. stop blaming turks about genoside. its all about politics and the victim is Turkey unfortunetely.

again i am sorry for my bad english. with my all regards...
 
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Hello everybody, I have accually just resigned here to give an honest Turkish opinion on so called Armenian genocide. I suggest you to listen both sides about the events that occurred before you draw a conclusion.
In early 1900's Ottoman Empire was suffering from the I. World War, they were fighting against Russian Empire(pre-Soviet), Great Britain(and it's colonies) and Arabians. They were obviously struggling. Ottoman Empire was, as the Europeans at the time refered it, a sick man. Around 1913 Russian Czar(emperor) II. Nicholas promesed a independent country to Armenians, which were living inside Ottoman Empire for almost 500 years, if they helped them to defeat Ottoman Empire. So the Armenian rebellion began. Russia gadred an army just from Armenian volunteers. Also some Armenians gadred gangs which were fighting from the inside.



Armenian Revolution Union (written in Armenian: Հայ Յեղափոխական Դաշնակցությու&#1398😉
Armenakan Party (written in Armenian: Արմենական կուսակցությու&#1398😉
Hınchak Commission (written in Armenian: Սոցիալ դեմոկրատ Հնչակյան կուսակցությու&#1398😉


These are some of the gangs that are gadred in early 1900's against Ottoman Empire and some of the events are:


March 15, 1915; Mahmudiye Governor reported that Armenians were killing Muslims and using mosques as barns.
March 25, 1915; Van Governor Cevdet reported that Armenians were sobataging the army corps by making a sneak attack on army commander as the Russians prepare for a major attack.
February, 1918; In Tepeköy, Erzurum Armenians set on fire all Turkish villagers, some of them were alive. Because all the healty men were in the army most of the victims were women or children.



Sabatages, rapes, executions list goes on and on and on...


The Ottomans had very little strength left so they made an immediate exile for all Armenians. There wasn't any food, water, medicine for the exiled Armenians so many of them just died on the roads. But you have to understand that Ottomans were already fighting with 3 other nations and supplies weren't too bright for the Turkish people either.



But the big question is did the Turks also killed innocent Armenian women and children. Answer is probably yes. There were some extremists in Ottoman Empire.


But the most honest answer (for me anyway) came from my grandfather. I'm from Elazığ. Elazığ is very close to the hot zone where most of the events accrued. Also my grandgrandfather was a gang leader which fought against Armenian gangs. When i asked him if the genocide was real or not he answered 'Armenian gangs had been setting our villiages on fire one by one. So we gadred all the Armenian gang members and people we thought helped those gang members and just fusilladed them. It was a blood bath. But we also had many Armenian friends and one of them left us his two children when he exiled because he knew that children wouldn't have survived the exile. We hid them and raise them. They still don't know that they are Armenian.'


Was the exile dirty, ruthless,brutal ? For sure... Was it a genocide ? I will say, no. It was a precaution taken under heavy circumstances.





But the comment is yours 🙂 Sorry for the nasty English. If you have any other questions about Turks or Türkiye, i would be happy to answer it.
 
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