What do you all think of my police excessive force case?

[Agentbolt]

When the cops, who are huge authority figures and are supposed to protect you, suddenly jump you for no reason and pepper spray you while you're lying on the ground terrified, I'd imagine you'd start to get a little jumpy afterwards.

Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

I don't appreciate the negative commentary by some people here - Al was really devastated by this, and I can guarantee you this case has never been about money for him.

Do you giggle when you type that, or do you simply strain to keep a straight face? I think it'd be hard not to giggle. Seriously, why even bother typing that. You know it's not true, WE know it's not true, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by saying it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

Well duh, it's a court case. You (or rather, your lawyer) are going to exaggerate, because if you tell the honest truth, the other guys will downplay it until it seems like a stroll through the park. I'm not arguing that the guy's experience was exactly what he described, but I can certainly understand a certain amount of physical and mental trauma.

As for the money, it's probably primarily about getting the guys who got you, and the money is a secondary issue. Of course the money's a consideration...but asking whether they would donate it to charity is a very bad litmus test. Donating it to charity won't erase the experience. Asking whether he would trade his settlement check in exchange for the firing of the cops who beat him and more oversight at the police department would give you a better idea of where his heart lies. If he's happy enough with the check, then it was, indeed, about the money.

Similarly, in wrongful death cases, imagine a scenario where they COULD resurrect the person who died. But you would have to give up your entire settlement. Do you really think no one would take that offer? It's the ones who say "well, we never really liked Uncle Frank anyway" that are all about the money.

 

[BigJ]

About the whole money thing, remember why punitive damages are awarded.

Not saying I agree with the award or anything, but the judge didn't award that number in punitive damages because he thought the guy deserved it.

 

[Agentbolt]

Similarly, in wrongful death cases, imagine a scenario where they COULD resurrect the person who died. But you would have to give up your entire settlement. Do you really think no one would take that offer?

Wow, are you serious? Apples, meet...bowling balls. Seriously, you're not even comparing two pieces of fruit here. We're not talking about a wrongful death case.

As for the money, it's probably primarily about getting the guys who got you, and the money is a secondary issue. Of course the money's a consideration...but asking whether they would donate it to charity is a very bad litmus test.

Why? He didn't "get" anybody, the police department says it stands behind the cops. The money didn't come from these cop's pockets, it came from the taxpayer's. And the verdict shows these cops were in the wrong in what they did. A finding for the plaintiff is going to do just as much to make the police have more oversight as a fine of 750 thousand is.

Fact is, the police department's not going to change anything, but this guy still has 750 grand in his pocket. He's already living comfortably, so he doesn't even need the money. You can't just say "it's a bad litmus test" without supporting your opinion. Asking if he'd give up the money for the cops to get fired is a pointless straw man argument because the cops aren't GOING to get fired, so he can say he'd give up the money until he's blue in the face.

This case was about getting the plaintiff a big paycheck to cash in on a sucky experience. Asking a reasonable person to believe that this loser, a grown apparently well-adjusted man, now has PTSD from being roughed up slightly by some cops is ludicrous. There's no reasonable argument you can make that would indicate otherwise.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Why? He didn't "get" anybody, the police department says it stands behind the cops. The money didn't come from these cop's pockets, it came from the taxpayer's. And the verdict shows these cops were in the wrong in what they did. A finding for the plaintiff is going to do just as much to make the police have more oversight as a fine of 750 thousand is.

I didn't say that they succeeded 100% in their objectives, now did I? That's why I posed the hypothetical.:roll:

I can tell this debate isn't going anywhere, because you can't seem to grasp abstract concepts.

 

[Agentbolt]

I didn't say that they succeeded 100% in their objectives, now did I? That's why I posed the hypothetical.

Way to duck every point I brought up in my post. I never claimed you DID say they succeeded, learn to read. I said what actually HAPPENED, and based on that, there's no reason for him to keep the money except he probably wants a later model Jag or a boat or something. While you're babbling on about hypothetical scenarios, I'm talking about what actually occurred.

Since they did NOT succeed in making any changes to the police department, there's no need for the guy to keep the money. If he truly didn't care about the money except to force said changes, he should find a way to give it back to the community. The police department suffers the EXACT same black eye either way, and the Plaintiff actually comes off as a guy who wants to improve his community instead of a guy who exaggerated PTSD symptoms into a near million-dollar payday.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

When the cops, who are huge authority figures and are supposed to protect you, suddenly jump you for no reason and pepper spray you while you're lying on the ground terrified, I'd imagine you'd start to get a little jumpy afterwards.

Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

I don't appreciate the negative commentary by some people here - Al was really devastated by this, and I can guarantee you this case has never been about money for him.

Do you giggle when you type that, or do you simply strain to keep a straight face? I think it'd be hard not to giggle. Seriously, why even bother typing that. You know it's not true, WE know it's not true, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by saying it.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I read it (first post ONLY). I didn't read enough to make a conclusion either way. I would say that if a person is handcuffed there would not be any reasonable reason to pepper spray them because the overwhelming force required to cuff a resisting person is less than that required to restrain post-cuffing, but they do not agree on when the peppering took place.

Not true at all. I've seen a case where OC spray was completely justified after the handcuff process. Insane dude on heavy heavy meds and alcohol. Took like 5 cops just to get him cuffed and in the car, then he started smashing the window of the patrol car out with his feet and kicked an officer who tried to intervene.


Don Vito, a lot of people posted negative stuff in this thread because your first post didn't provide to many details. Anyways, thats what, two big wins for you this quarter? 😀

 

[imported_nerve]

Congrats:thumbsup:

 

[Agentbolt]

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

All right fine, so your client has a tender, fragile psyche. Do you know why I didn't know what I was talking about? Because you didn't bother to mention any of that in your post.

If your client is really that brittle then I guess I can't fault him too much for keeping the $. Still, I hope he does something more worthwhile with it then take a few dozen trips to the Virgin islands or something.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

On Thursday, a federal jury awarded Hixon $328,000 in compensatory damages and $450,000 in punitive damages. Hixon, 47, had sued the city of Golden Valley and two of its police officers, claiming his civil rights were violated by excessive force, brutality and assault during a mistaken arrest.

Once attorneys' fees are added, the final judgment will be more than $1 million, said his attorney, Andrew Parker.



So this means you are charging him around 200k?

 

[TheSlamma]

Good work, nice to see when cops are held accountable and are not above the law.

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

All right fine, so your client has a tender, fragile psyche. Do you know why I didn't know what I was talking about? Because you didn't bother to mention any of that in your post.

If your client is really that brittle then I guess I can't fault him too much for keeping the $. Still, I hope he does something more worthwhile with it then take a few dozen trips to the Virgin islands or something.

You don't know what you're talking about because every post you've made in this thread is full of assumptions and generalizations.

Congrats to Mr. Hixon though.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer
On Thursday, a federal jury awarded Hixon $328,000 in compensatory damages and $450,000 in punitive damages. Hixon, 47, had sued the city of Golden Valley and two of its police officers, claiming his civil rights were violated by excessive force, brutality and assault during a mistaken arrest.

Once attorneys' fees are added, the final judgment will be more than $1 million, said his attorney, Andrew Parker.



So this means you are charging him around 200k?

Without saying anything about this particular case, these kinds of cases are frequently handled on a contingency basis (meaning we only get paid if we win), and we have hundreds of thousands of dollars of time into the case. We are a small firm and that kind of layout represents a high-risk enterprise on our part.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: ric1287

No money should ever be awarded for something as subjective as "emotional distress", in any case, ever. The reasoning behind that is so stupid.

"It made me feel bad....Well how bout we give you half a million dollars!!!! Thanks, i feel all better now." Ridiculous.

No one ever should be awarded money for emotional stress? These blanket statements are really unproductive. Lots of people sue for emotional damage when there is none, I won't deny that. Certainly, however, there are lots of people who are deeply traumatized by their experiences and need help getting their lives back together.

How about Vietnam war vets? Some of these guys have done things that none of us could believe, been braver than I could ever imagine being, yet now they can't do anything. They 'hear' the sounds of war, they flashback to the experiences they had. They are crippled from PTSD. What about people like that? How can you say they don't deserve compensation?

What about a child who witnesses a horrific crime? Who should pay for therapy, counseling, whatever else he might need to overcome the situation? Don't even begin to give me that 'be a man' crap. Frequently, people need help after witnessing / being involved in stressful situations - if someone is liable for that situation, they should also be financially liable to help fix it.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: DonVito
As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

So, in other words, this guy was fucked up from the start but he actually managed to repress this until now? I don't know... see, when I see something like that, I can't place all of the blame (and with this monetary amount, that's what I'm seeing the jurors did) on the officers that just kind of relit the fire, so to speak.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

All right fine, so your client has a tender, fragile psyche. Do you know why I didn't know what I was talking about? Because you didn't bother to mention any of that in your post.

If your client is really that brittle then I guess I can't fault him too much for keeping the $. Still, I hope he does something more worthwhile with it then take a few dozen trips to the Virgin islands or something.

Hahah, make a jerk out of yourself more why don't you? Who cares what he does with his money? If going on vacation makes him happy that's up to him. You got slapped around son.

 

[rsd]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DonVito
As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

So, in other words, this guy was fucked up from the start but he actually managed to repress this until now? I don't know... see, when I see something like that, I can't place all of the blame (and with this monetary amount, that's what I'm seeing the jurors did) on the officers that just kind of relit the fire, so to speak.

We need an ignorance emoticon. I guess 😕 will do.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DonVito
As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

So, in other words, this guy was fucked up from the start but he actually managed to repress this until now? I don't know... see, when I see something like that, I can't place all of the blame (and with this monetary amount, that's what I'm seeing the jurors did) on the officers that just kind of relit the fire, so to speak.

why not?

if i had stitches from surgery and then police officers arrested me beat me and broke open those stitches for no reason, you don't think they would be responsible 100% for breaking open those stitches? regardless of whether the cut was there before or not, doesn't matter, the police offices did something they SHOULD NOT HAVE.



a lot of really really stupid people posting in this thread.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: rsd

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

All right fine, so your client has a tender, fragile psyche. Do you know why I didn't know what I was talking about? Because you didn't bother to mention any of that in your post.

If your client is really that brittle then I guess I can't fault him too much for keeping the $. Still, I hope he does something more worthwhile with it then take a few dozen trips to the Virgin islands or something.

Hahah, make a jerk out of yourself more why don't you? Who cares what he does with his money? If going on vacation makes him happy that's up to him. You got slapped around son.

i agree with your post below but can't entirely agree with this post, as it is tax payer money.

i'm not saying he didn't deserve something, but it does irk me that ultimately it's the tax payers that pay him. i think the officers should have their pay docked for so many years, mb 10 or whatever, and he should get that money.

 

[Andrew111]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

When the cops, who are huge authority figures and are supposed to protect you, suddenly jump you for no reason and pepper spray you while you're lying on the ground terrified, I'd imagine you'd start to get a little jumpy afterwards.

Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

I don't appreciate the negative commentary by some people here - Al was really devastated by this, and I can guarantee you this case has never been about money for him.

Do you giggle when you type that, or do you simply strain to keep a straight face? I think it'd be hard not to giggle. Seriously, why even bother typing that. You know it's not true, WE know it's not true, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by saying it.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

I think many people are calling BS for the PTSD claim because PTSD is usually associated with much worse and prolonged events. Try being in the military and being mortared daily for an entire year, or having to kick in doors and seeing your friends die or killing someone that was trying to kill you. I just can't see how he can get SEVERE PTSD from this one incident.........it just boggles the mind. Keep in mind that many people that are exposed to much worse while fighting a war do not develop severe PTSD....but this dude gets a little roughed up and pepper sprayed by the cops and is mind-fucked for life? I can't honestly say I truly buy it....but if the psychiatrists say so;-)

I also hate to see our tax dollars going towards such a ridiculously high settlement.....he definitely should have won, but what is the purpose of giving him $750,000? Yep, I'm sure he said it wasn't for the money but you know damn well he is happy to receive such a large sum of money...........

I've been in Germany for last two years and the cops do much worse here and you won't get a red cent from any kind of settlement. If a bar fight breaks out and the cops come.....I've seen them apprehend people with pepper spray and billy clubs flying. Here you know not to run from the cops cause you'll get the beat down of your life. I'm not saying its a good system but the police go much further here and you'll be damned to get a penny from claiming PTSD from a little pepper spray🙂 They'll laugh at you and send you to the hospital if you get a reaction from it.....I've seen it happen, lol.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Andrew111

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

When the cops, who are huge authority figures and are supposed to protect you, suddenly jump you for no reason and pepper spray you while you're lying on the ground terrified, I'd imagine you'd start to get a little jumpy afterwards.

Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

I don't appreciate the negative commentary by some people here - Al was really devastated by this, and I can guarantee you this case has never been about money for him.

Do you giggle when you type that, or do you simply strain to keep a straight face? I think it'd be hard not to giggle. Seriously, why even bother typing that. You know it's not true, WE know it's not true, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by saying it.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

I think many people are calling BS for the PTSD claim because PTSD is usually associated with much worse and prolonged events. Try being in the military and being mortared daily for an entire year, or having to kick in doors and seeing your friends die or killing someone that was trying to kill you. I just can't see how he can get SEVERE PTSD from this one incident.........it just boggles the mind. Keep in mind that many people that are exposed to much worse while fighting a war do not develop severe PTSD....but this dude gets a little roughed up and pepper sprayed by the cops and is mind-fucked for life? I can't honestly say I truly buy it....but if the psychiatrists say so;-)

I also hate to see our tax dollars going towards such a ridiculously high settlement.....he definitely should have won, but what is the purpose of giving him $750,000? Yep, I'm sure he said it wasn't for the money but you know damn well he is happy to receive such a large sum of money...........

I've been in Germany for last two years and the cops do much worse here and you won't get a red cent from any kind of settlement. If a bar fight breaks out and the cops come.....I've seen them apprehend people with pepper spray and billy clubs flying. Here you know not to run from the cops cause you'll get the beat down of your life. I'm not saying its a good system but the police go much further here and you'll be damned to get a penny from claiming PTSD from a little pepper spray🙂 They'll laugh at you and send you to the hospital if you get a reaction from it.....I've seen it happen, lol.

you have to admit, though, Germany is a very different country with VERY different rights. The police there have much more authority and discretion. There are no guaranteed rights to free speech there... in fact there are generally far fewer rights there than in the US.

 

[Patt]

Congrats on winning the case!

 

[Andrew111]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: Andrew111

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

When the cops, who are huge authority figures and are supposed to protect you, suddenly jump you for no reason and pepper spray you while you're lying on the ground terrified, I'd imagine you'd start to get a little jumpy afterwards.

Oh please. Anyone who's seen me post here knows I'm about as down on cops in general as anyone on ATOT (and that's saying something) but this guy's claims are ridiculous. Coughing up mucus and blood from being pepper sprayed? Sure, maybe. Withdrawing from family and friends because he has full-blown PTSD because a cop knocked him around a little? Please. This guy said whatever he needed to to win a huge award. End of story, it's the American Way.

If this "isn't about the money" then I'd love to see this guy donate half the money to some charitable organization. Pro athletes, politicians, everyone always says it's not about the money. They're all full of shit.

I don't appreciate the negative commentary by some people here - Al was really devastated by this, and I can guarantee you this case has never been about money for him.

Do you giggle when you type that, or do you simply strain to keep a straight face? I think it'd be hard not to giggle. Seriously, why even bother typing that. You know it's not true, WE know it's not true, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by saying it.

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. No fewer than four psychiatrists and psychologists, including one hired by the defense attorneys in this case, have agreed he is suffering from severe, chronic PTSD. The defense psychiatrist also gave him an MMPI with Validity Indicator Profile, specifically to detect faking or exaggerating, and found his complaints were totally valid.

As it happens (and I think it's directly relevant to the severity of Al's PTSD), Al was raised in segregated Birmingham, Alabama, and saw all kinds of police abuses as a kid. He has managed to emerge from that environment and thrive, becoming a successful professional and raising a family, only to be dragged right back down into it by some abusive cops. I don't just think his complaints are valid, I know they are.

I think many people are calling BS for the PTSD claim because PTSD is usually associated with much worse and prolonged events. Try being in the military and being mortared daily for an entire year, or having to kick in doors and seeing your friends die or killing someone that was trying to kill you. I just can't see how he can get SEVERE PTSD from this one incident.........it just boggles the mind. Keep in mind that many people that are exposed to much worse while fighting a war do not develop severe PTSD....but this dude gets a little roughed up and pepper sprayed by the cops and is mind-fucked for life? I can't honestly say I truly buy it....but if the psychiatrists say so;-)

I also hate to see our tax dollars going towards such a ridiculously high settlement.....he definitely should have won, but what is the purpose of giving him $750,000? Yep, I'm sure he said it wasn't for the money but you know damn well he is happy to receive such a large sum of money...........

I've been in Germany for last two years and the cops do much worse here and you won't get a red cent from any kind of settlement. If a bar fight breaks out and the cops come.....I've seen them apprehend people with pepper spray and billy clubs flying. Here you know not to run from the cops cause you'll get the beat down of your life. I'm not saying its a good system but the police go much further here and you'll be damned to get a penny from claiming PTSD from a little pepper spray🙂 They'll laugh at you and send you to the hospital if you get a reaction from it.....I've seen it happen, lol.

you have to admit, though, Germany is a very different country with VERY different rights. The police there have much more authority and discretion. There are no guaranteed rights to free speech there... in fact there are generally far fewer rights there than in the US.

True, I'm just saying the police do much worse here and you will not get a red cent. US Soldiers here in Germany frequently feel the wrath of the German police when fights break out and they get pepper sprayed even when they had nothing to do with the crime, fight, or whatever. After the pepper spray wears off and their face heals up from getting smashed into the concrete by the cops.....they are back to normal. Many US Soldiers here in Germany have experienced much worse than this guy and they don't get mind-fucked for life and they don't get 750K settlements for some teary eyes and some bumps and bruises......that's all I will say about that. And yes, they are very racist and will often target any black people in the vicinity first. It's definitely not right, I'm just demonstrating that this dude is lucky he lives in America or he wouldn't be able to buy $750,000 cream to heal up his eyes from pepper spray and comfort him mentally for being targeted because he is black.

To sum up my position.....yes, the cops were wrong, but I think the legal system is going overboard when they hand out $750K for an incident like this. This dude wouldn't get a red cent in other democratic countries.....Germany's system is wrong....but so is awarding $750,000 for pepper spraying some dude, supposedly because he was black. Just my opinion.

 

[ViviTheMage]

oh man, Golden Valley cops are not the best either ...