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What country could invade US soil and completely pull an Iraq on us?

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lord_emperor said:
There's a pic out there that visually represents all the world's Aircraft Carriers, the United States has about three times as many Aircraft Carriers as the rest of the world combined, and they're bigger coming out to about ten times the deck space. Other naval vessels were not represented, but they're basically irrelevant anyway.

Keeping in mind I'm not even American, but I can quite easily see that no conventional assault is possible against such odds even with the combined effort of the rest of the world.

Things might be different if the US wasn't surrounded by oceans and allies.
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That pic is on page 2 of this thread, post 38
 
Honestly, I don't think it could ever happen without just nuking everything, and then the attacking country (or countries) will be in the same boat as us. Our relative isolation from any potential hostile nations combined with our ridiculous military capabilities is just too much for anyone to take on.

Even if China was located where Canada is. Our military is so over the top compared to other countries it's ridiculous. Sure, China can throw their 7 million man military at us, but we have all of the advantages when it comes to technology and training. Assuming they do figure out a way to take care of our military, they're going to have another 300 million Americans to deal with. I really don't foresee that any current generation of Americans would accept occupation without massive resistance.
 
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SunnyD said:
It's not so much the equipment quality with a country like China. Remember, they have nearly 4 times the population that we do. Put guns in 1/4 of their population's hands, and they can march across North America pretty easily. The problem is getting them here, and that is where it's not going to happen. European, African and Asian wars are all relatively easy in terms of logistics - they're all connected. It's a lot easier to secure supply lines over land from your home country than it is to secure wide open shipping lanes over water against a superior navy. It's pretty hard to hide a ship in the open sea.
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I realize that. Getting anyone over to the US is difficult. Even if you're a united Europe against us. How are you going to sail 3 days across undetected? Not to mention 1 well placed anti ship Harpoon will really mess your transports up...

So unless they fly from Russia and paratroop into Alaska and seize it (really? is it worth it?) I see it very hard to get a massive army into the US without us doing something about it...

We're just lucky 😀 Now if Mexico declared on us... Could be interesting. I mean if anyone has a decent offensive plan, I'm sure they could wreak havoc. Not that the US would get destroyed, but we would need gather up forces to repel invaders.

AstroEmpires is a huge example. I guess you're not playing anymore, but a lot of ATOTers are still in there and to free a base, in enemy territory, you gotta get your fleet as close as you can undetected and THEN strike. And then flee. We get caught 75% of the time coming in, so it requires staying up late, jumping through weird locations, and then making that big strike.

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This isn't 1000 BC numbers alone won't let them win. WW1 and on it pretty much became impossible to win a conflict by zerg rushing with poorly equiped troops.
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didn't the French try to rush light infantry against machine guns? It worked for Mao in Korea though. I'm sure China isn't doing the Soviet Russia bullet and rifle every other man type deal. And it's not like machine gun technology or artillery barrages improved so much recently that an improved China will still struggle. Our main advances have been in radar, aviation, and guidance technology. Now we can perform surgical precision strikes without carpetbombing. That's not exactly going to stop a massive force that's barreling towards you. Sure you can cut off supply chains better and very accurately with sharp daggers, but if there's 50,000 men rushing (and it's not just raw men... I'm sure China has mechanized forces too.. just not M1 Abrams caliber), you would have some trouble even with our technology today. It's not like we got some aimbot machine gun all of a sudden to make life easier..
 
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JeffreyLebowski said:
Yes, 80 million gun owners is but an annoyance. If 10% of them faught back, that would be the largest military in the world standing at 8 million people all with intimate knowledge of their little slice of the pie. If only 1% fought back, you're looking at the 6th largest army in the world. Not really something you want to go up against.
You seem to drastically under estimate the sheer number of gun owners in the US, and the sheer number of former soilders living here.

Destroying all the cities would be counter productive to accomplishing the goal of taking over a nation. In doing so you fortify the oppressed's desire to defeat you.
Though you can sit back comfy in Canada while the US continues to provide your protection.
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Fail.
 
joshsquall said:
Even if China was located where Canada is. Our military is so over the top compared to other countries it's ridiculous. Sure, China can throw their 7 million man military at us, but we have all of the advantages when it comes to technology and training. Assuming they do figure out a way to take care of our military, they're going to have another 300 million Americans to deal with. I really don't foresee that any current generation of Americans would accept occupation without massive resistance.
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dream land... If china was next door, they could win with sticks and stones.
 
AyashiKaibutsu said:
This isn't 1000 BC numbers alone won't let them win. WW1 and on it pretty much became impossible to win a conflict by zerg rushing with poorly equiped troops.
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I believe I addressed this. With a proper supply chain and a large enough army, along with appropriate logistical offensive capability (air support and such), a zerg rush would cripple the US. As I said though, logistically, it's all but impossible.

We're talking modern forces, and yes - I did say even a partially ill-equipped force (conscripts). But because I said that, you have to take into account a well trained, well equipped force providing command, support and logistics while the conscripts are marching across the country. A zerg rush, in this context, is the ONLY way someone would win a conventional invasion of the US.
 
DLeRium said:
World of Conflict? Heh.

I don't think anyone can get on US soil. But can we get in a war with them that'll make it tough for us? China. I think most people underestimate China. They sucked in the early 90s, and we're still riding on that. It's true they don't have the great Air Force for example that we have, but they're not just flying junker Vietnam era planes. They do have some decent jets out there. Nothign like an F22, but it's not like their AA defenses are a joke or anything. If you look at studies looking at the F22 and F35, they will conclude that China have capabilities to easily neutralize the F35 and that the only acceptable solution for us is the F22.

Plus, even if 50% of their equipment and infantry is ill-equipped, you still got another million or so that IS well equipped... or decently equipped.
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That's fine, but an invasion is based on logistics and what you can do to secure beachhead.

Like back in WWII.

Think about all the birds (satellites) flying above, how are you going to hide the giant flotilla of easy targets?

shit, the Pentagon just need to give command to gamer geeks and they will sink all the ships.
 
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bingo, it was damn lucky in ww2 the uk was an island. else they woulda gotten rolled. it let us build up a million+ men over time shipping them over before we even tried to pull a landing off.
 
With conventional weapons only, it would be pretty much impossible. Our navy is by far the best in the world, as is our air force. We have a lot of troops stationed overseas right now, but we still have plenty of people trained to shoot and plenty of weapons, from national guard to police to rednecks. We also have amazing radar cover on our country - any foreign military jets would be identified hundreds of miles outside of our borders and we would already have fighters in the air by the time they get here.

Aside from the sheer quantity of hardware and people that we have around the world and country, we also have by far the most advanced hardware. We have the best jets, tanks, and carriers, and for its size the best trained army in the world.

We also have the capability to move ground forces across the country fairly quickly - that's what our highways were designed for. China and Russia have huge parts of land that are devoid of good roads, so we could conceivably invade them and set up a foothold before reinforcements arrive, but not vice versa.

We win. Troll.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
With conventional weapons only, it would be pretty much impossible. Our navy is by far the best in the world, as is our air force. We have a lot of troops stationed overseas right now, but we still have plenty of people trained to shoot and plenty of weapons, from national guard to police to rednecks. We also have amazing radar cover on our country - any foreign military jets would be identified hundreds of miles outside of our borders and we would already have fighters in the air by the time they get here.

Aside from the sheer quantity of hardware and people that we have around the world and country, we also have by far the most advanced hardware. We have the best jets, tanks, and carriers, and for its size the best trained army in the world.

We also have the capability to move ground forces across the country fairly quickly - that's what our highways were designed for. China and Russia have huge parts of land that are devoid of good roads, so we could conceivably invade them and set up a foothold before reinforcements arrive, but not vice versa.

We win. Troll.
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It`s like chess...ain`t it?....but in real life.

The Russians would destroy in such case. It would not happen anyway. lol
 
Ronstang said:
They not only don't have enough nukes they don't have a Navy that could get all those screaming Chinamen over here. Even if they did there is no way with today's technology they could pull a Jap attack like Pearl Harbor without being detected and blown out of the water.
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Actually, I have heard several times and from several sources that this attack was known about well in advance and was allowed to happen to gain favor for the war. Didn't those top secret documents that were released during the Clinton administration confirm this? Sounds kind of familiar...
 
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sandorski said:
Originally Posted by JeffreyLebowski said:
Yes, 80 million gun owners is but an annoyance. If 10% of them faught back, that would be the largest military in the world standing at 8 million people all with intimate knowledge of their little slice of the pie. If only 1% fought back, you're looking at the 6th largest army in the world. Not really something you want to go up against.
You seem to drastically under estimate the sheer number of gun owners in the US, and the sheer number of former soilders living here.

Destroying all the cities would be counter productive to accomplishing the goal of taking over a nation. In doing so you fortify the oppressed's desire to defeat you. Though you can sit back comfy in Canada while the US continues to provide your protection.
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Fail.
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How is that fail? 80 million people with guns is a MAJOR deterrent in any large area that a force is looking to occupy. Remember, we're talking about occupation, not total annihilation (I should reinstall that game, btw). Out of those 80 million armed citizens, there are several million with military training, such that they have the knowledge to organize a resistance. Some of them also have the knowledge and equipment to weld roadblocks and create explosives, such that they can stage ambushes against supply lines and convoys. There are also many bomb shelters around the country from the Cold War days that would be impervious to artillery bombardment. It would be nearly impossible to annihilate an 80-300 million man resistance (depending on supply of weapons and willingness to fight), short of nuclear weapons and carpet bombing. But if the enemy really wants to use make full use of a conquered America, they would be very stupid to destroy our manufacturing centers and infrastructure such that it would have to be rebuilt across the whole country. Such a reconstruction would as costly, if not more, than the war itself. Therefore, any country that tries to invade us would likely go bankrupt in the process anyway and be conquered by other nations, so that is a deterrent in itself.
 
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ConstipatedVigilante said:
How is that fail? 80 million people with guns is a MAJOR deterrent in any large area that a force is looking to occupy. Remember, we're talking about occupation, not total annihilation (I should reinstall that game, btw). Out of those 80 million armed citizens, there are several million with military training, such that they have the knowledge to organize a resistance. Some of them also have the knowledge and equipment to weld roadblocks and create explosives, such that they can stage ambushes against supply lines and convoys. There are also many bomb shelters around the country from the Cold War days that would be impervious to artillery bombardment. It would be nearly impossible to annihilate an 80-300 million man resistance (depending on supply of weapons and willingness to fight), short of nuclear weapons and carpet bombing. But if the enemy really wants to use make full use of a conquered America, they would be very stupid to destroy our manufacturing centers and infrastructure such that it would have to be rebuilt across the whole country. Such a reconstruction would as costly, if not more, than the war itself. Therefore, any country that tries to invade us would likely go bankrupt in the process anyway and be conquered by other nations, so that is a deterrent in itself.
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Easily accomplished, raze a few Cities, watch the Civilians surrender their Guns. Those thinking Armed Civilians deters Invasion have not thought things through. Your Military is the deterrent.
 
sandorski said:
Easily accomplished, raze a few Cities, watch the Civilians surrender their Guns. Those thinking Armed Civilians deters Invasion have not thought things through. Your Military is the deterrent.
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It doesn't work that way. Everyone I know would hide out in the woods, stash their weapons and supplies, wait until the army rolled past, then break out the guns and take over again.

I've literally dreamed many times about having to defend my house against foreign invaders - very exciting stuff.
 
sandorski said:
Easily accomplished, raze a few Cities, watch the Civilians regain a WWII-like conviction and a drive to defend themselves and their fellow citizens.
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Fixed.

Hell I know a guy who lives in the New England mountains - I would honestly not be surprised in the least if he had the capability of neutralizing modern tanks...there are some "interesting" people up here.
 
jlee said:
Fixed.

Hell I know a guy who lives in the New England mountains - I would honestly not be surprised in the least if he had the capability of neutralizing modern tanks...there are some "interesting" people up here.
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You'll never have to find out how wrong you are. So be at ease.
 
sdifox said:
wasn't there a RTS game detailing the container ship and russian invasion thing?

no one can do it. Not even Canada's Tank.
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that was world in conflict. also a great game.

it's plausible, but highly improbable. what made it plausible in WiC was that most of our army was occupied in europe at the time.
 
sandorski said:
Easily accomplished, raze a few Cities, watch the Civilians surrender their Guns. Those thinking Armed Civilians deters Invasion have not thought things through. Your Military is the deterrent.
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other countries know that unless they're willing to kill EACH and EVERY american, they're gonna be unable to occupy the US. an armed populace IS a deterrent to occupation.
 
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