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What country could invade US soil and completely pull an Iraq on us?

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PlasmaBomb said:
The U.S. Navy is the largest in the world; its battle fleet tonnage is greater than that of the next 13 largest combined.

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We can't be outdated. When the Japanese were outdated, thinking that battleships were the key to victory and we aircraftcarried'd them, we were like... lol, stupid japanese.

So what place does an insanely huge fleet have these days? I have a feeling they are just giant floating targets these days.
 
OverVolt said:
We can't be outdated. When the Japanese were outdated, thinking that battleships were the key to victory and we aircraftcarried'd them, we were like... lol, stupid japanese.

So what place does an insanely huge fleet have these days? I have a feeling they are just giant floating targets these days.
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you kinda forget their sneak attack was with carriers, not battleships😉
their tech was fine. their resources and production capacity was outmatched though.
 
I'd say Russia or China. But they'd have to use their nukes which is pretty much end game. China in a decade or less might have the military might to do something like that without nukes. At any rate it wouldn't be in anyone's interest to do something like that no matter how much they liked or disliked the US. Taking the US down militarily would mean the end of the global economy. Why bother taking on the US militarily when China will surpass them economically in a few years anyway?
 
amdhunter said:
See the thing that gets me, is I believe the USA could go out and pick ANYWHERE in the world, and we'd be able to have tens of thousands of ground soldiers on any solid ground in the planet within hours.

It's really hard to believe that no other country could do that to us...
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It's quite easy to believe once you put into perspective just how much money we spend on our military. The US spends almost as much as all the rest of the world combined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
 
No chance unless they use nukes. There is a scoped 300 win mag behind every blade of grass which cuts right through body armor like butter.
 
Considering the question is regarding an Iraq situation, I'd say no.
As many others have pointed out, logistics and armed citizens will be a big pain in the ass. I understand that the US isn't the largest country in the world, but it's nothing to sneer at. For godssake, there are two fucking mountain ranges running down the coasts, a giant stretch of nothing in the center, and a wide range of temperature climates. You may be able to keep troops on the coasts supplied, but getting equipment over the Rockies/Appalachians will prove incredibly difficult. And of course all the guns. Consider the trouble we've had holding cities in Iraq....mostly a desert climate without complex infrastructure. Now imagine trying to hold the city of New York. In between it's large size, massive infrastructure, and subway system you could never really clear it.
 
The US wins most of it's conflicts before they are ever started, through intelligence. Complacency in that area, along with an effective means to render our technology useless, an EMP for example, would be the only way an invasion could even get out of it's infancy.


I am going to go watch Red Dawn & Jericho while fondling my AR-15 now.
 
OverVolt said:
We can't be outdated. When the Japanese were outdated, thinking that battleships were the key to victory and we aircraftcarried'd them, we were like... lol, stupid japanese.

So what place does an insanely huge fleet have these days? I have a feeling they are just giant floating targets these days.
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/facepalm

Floating targets for WHAT exactly? You understand that in times of war they do a bit more than float around right?
 
There's a pic out there that visually represents all the world's Aircraft Carriers, the United States has about three times as many Aircraft Carriers as the rest of the world combined, and they're bigger coming out to about ten times the deck space. Other naval vessels were not represented, but they're basically irrelevant anyway.

Keeping in mind I'm not even American, but I can quite easily see that no conventional assault is possible against such odds even with the combined effort of the rest of the world.

Things might be different if the US wasn't surrounded by oceans and allies.
 
China + Russia + EU

China + Russia
or
Russia + EU

Any of those would be a big problem for the US. If Canada or Mexico was with the invaders it'd be even harder for the Americans because the foothold would already be established.
 
not going to happen..well now anyway.

as others have said teh USN is amazing. Anyone that wants to try to land troops on the US is going to have a hard and deadly time for it. Between the US's navy and airforce i don't think any nation would want to put up with the lose of life.

IF they say landed in south America and came up and attacked they would have a hell of a fight since i would bet MANY would join to defend the nation.
 
sdifox said:
wasn't there a RTS game detailing the container ship and russian invasion thing?

no one can do it. Not even Canada's Tank.
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World of Conflict? Heh.

I don't think anyone can get on US soil. But can we get in a war with them that'll make it tough for us? China. I think most people underestimate China. They sucked in the early 90s, and we're still riding on that. It's true they don't have the great Air Force for example that we have, but they're not just flying junker Vietnam era planes. They do have some decent jets out there. Nothign like an F22, but it's not like their AA defenses are a joke or anything. If you look at studies looking at the F22 and F35, they will conclude that China have capabilities to easily neutralize the F35 and that the only acceptable solution for us is the F22.

Plus, even if 50% of their equipment and infantry is ill-equipped, you still got another million or so that IS well equipped... or decently equipped.
 
PottedMeat said:
wolverines!
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That's what I'm talking about

sandorski said:
Armed Citizens are not a deterrent.
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Couldn't be more incorrect

jlee said:
I posted something said by a Japanese dude post-WWII. What's your reference, other than your own opinion?

Citizens are only a minor irritation? Well damn, guess we should've finished up Iraq in a matter of hours.
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Exactly

waggy said:
not going to happen..well now anyway.

as others have said teh USN is amazing. Anyone that wants to try to land troops on the US is going to have a hard and deadly time for it. Between the US's navy and airforce i don't think any nation would want to put up with the lose of life.

IF they say landed in south America and came up and attacked they would have a hell of a fight since i would bet MANY would join to defend the nation.
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Granted I do live in Texas but I know at least 100 capable 20-25 year-olds who would form a militia immediately. And we would be pretty well-armed.
 
DLeRium said:
World of Conflict? Heh.

I don't think anyone can get on US soil. But can we get in a war with them that'll make it tough for us? China. I think most people underestimate China. They sucked in the early 90s, and we're still riding on that. It's true they don't have the great Air Force for example that we have, but they're not just flying junker Vietnam era planes. They do have some decent jets out there. Nothign like an F22, but it's not like their AA defenses are a joke or anything. If you look at studies looking at the F22 and F35, they will conclude that China have capabilities to easily neutralize the F35 and that the only acceptable solution for us is the F22.

Plus, even if 50% of their equipment and infantry is ill-equipped, you still got another million or so that IS well equipped... or decently equipped.
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It's not so much the equipment quality with a country like China. Remember, they have nearly 4 times the population that we do. Put guns in 1/4 of their population's hands, and they can march across North America pretty easily. The problem is getting them here, and that is where it's not going to happen. European, African and Asian wars are all relatively easy in terms of logistics - they're all connected. It's a lot easier to secure supply lines over land from your home country than it is to secure wide open shipping lanes over water against a superior navy. It's pretty hard to hide a ship in the open sea.
 
sandorski said:
Shens. Once the Military is gone, the Citizens are but a minor irritation. If need be, they can just raze whole Cities from a distance.
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Yes, 80 million gun owners is but an annoyance. If 10% of them faught back, that would be the largest military in the world standing at 8 million people all with intimate knowledge of their little slice of the pie. If only 1% fought back, you're looking at the 6th largest army in the world. Not really something you want to go up against.
You seem to drastically under estimate the sheer number of gun owners in the US, and the sheer number of former soilders living here.

Destroying all the cities would be counter productive to accomplishing the goal of taking over a nation. In doing so you fortify the oppressed's desire to defeat you.
Though you can sit back comfy in Canada while the US continues to provide your protection.
 
SunnyD said:
It's not so much the equipment quality with a country like China. Remember, they have nearly 4 times the population that we do. Put guns in 1/4 of their population's hands, and they can march across North America pretty easily. The problem is getting them here, and that is where it's not going to happen. European, African and Asian wars are all relatively easy in terms of logistics - they're all connected. It's a lot easier to secure supply lines over land from your home country than it is to secure wide open shipping lanes over water against a superior navy. It's pretty hard to hide a ship in the open sea.
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This isn't 1000 BC numbers alone won't let them win. WW1 and on it pretty much became impossible to win a conflict by zerg rushing with poorly equiped troops.
 
Sclamoz said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22

Invading and occupying countries as large as the US is impossible. The best way to do it would be to destroy our economy and try to fracture the US into multiple countries, maybe by starting a civil war.
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Along with a carrier air group for defense... good luck.
 
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