What causes pregnancy?

[fskimospy]

I find it both funny and sad is that even the pro-abortion feminazis don't believe their own bullshit. Once women start to choose to abort girls because they want boys, the feminazis want to restrict choice.

Well I certainly don't hold that view, so you're responding to the wrong person. I think people should be able to get an abortion whenever they feel like it. Hell, recreational abortions for all!

 

[JD50]

Can someone please explain how it's hypocritical for a small government conservative to be against murder?

 

[HAL9000]

Well I certainly don't hold that view, so you're responding to the wrong person. I think people should be able to get an abortion whenever they feel like it. Hell, recreational abortions for all!

D:

 

[JD50]

If the embryo is so sacred and innocent, why this exception? After all, it didn't do any of those horrible things to the mother, why does it deserve to be or is allowed to be killed?

:thumbsup:

 

[Tom]

Rather than utterly hijack Gigantopithecus' thread about third party candidates, I will create this topic instead.

My argument on abortion.

A woman does not have the right to kill anyone except in self-defense. Killing your unborn child, then, is only permissable when you've been raped or in any event did not consent to the act which brought about pregnancy.

The response from the pro-choice side: Sex doesn't cause pregnancy.

Then what does? The implantation of a fertilized egg? In other news, guns don't cause deaths. Bullets aimed at hearts do.

I'd like to know who honestly believes this notion, and furthermore their justification for it.

My mind is insufficient to the task of adequately describing the incongruity of this defense, so I have to resort to metaphor.

What is the logic in allowing abortion in the case of rape, but forbidding it otherwise ?

The only reason I can come up with is, a woman that has consensual sex is a slut and that gives you the right to dictate what happens if she gets pregnant.

But if she's raped, you are willing to kill a baby.

 

[HAL9000]

What is the logic in allowing abortion in the case of rape, but forbidding it otherwise ?

The only reason I can come up with is, a woman that has consensual sex is a slut and that gives you the right to dictate what happens if she gets pregnant.

But if she's raped, you are willing to kill a baby.

It's because in the one case the woman made a choice to have sex and risk getting pregnant

In the other the woman made no choice. If the woman made no choice she shouldn't be forced to carry a baby, if she made a choice then she chose and the baby should have to die because she made the wrong choice.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's because in the one case the woman made a choice to have sex and risk getting pregnant

In the other the woman made no choice. If the woman made no choice she shouldn't be forced to carry a baby, if she made a choice then she chose and the baby should have to die because she made the wrong choice.

So the choice itself is the "bad" action in your mind? :hmm:

 

[HAL9000]

So the choice itself is the "bad" action in your mind? :hmm:

There is no bad action, it was the wrong choice if she didn't want to be pregnant, so it may be a bad choice for her, but it's not a bad action.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

There is no bad action, it was the wrong choice if she didn't want to be pregnant, so it may be a bad choice for her, but it's not a bad action.

But why bring up choice in that context at all? Isn't it the taking of "human life" which makes you object to abortion? The rape-baby didn't choose to be conceived either.

 

[HAL9000]

But why bring up choice in that context at all? Isn't it the taking of "human life" which makes you object to abortion? The rape-baby didn't choose to be conceived either.

Very true, thinking about it I suppose that abortion isn't the right option for rape victims, it's just far more understandable and it's also somewhat unreasonable to force someone to be in a situation they had no say in.

 

[Tom]

There is no bad action, it was the wrong choice if she didn't want to be pregnant, so it may be a bad choice for her, but it's not a bad action.

You won't admit it, but you are saying exactly what I said. A woman that has sex becomes inferior to other people.

In fact, since women can get pregnant, maybe we should cover them up, forbid them mixing with others in school, make examples of them if they have sex by stoning therm to death;

It's all part of the same string of thought.

 

[HAL9000]

You won't admit it, but you are saying exactly what I said. A woman that has sex becomes inferior to other people.

In fact, since women can get pregnant, maybe we should cover them up, forbid them mixing with others in school, make examples of them if they have sex by stoning therm to death;

It's all part of the same string of thought.

What the fuck are you saying? How are pregnant women inferior to other people?! That's insanity.

 

[Tom]

What the fuck are you saying? How are pregnant women inferior to other people?! That's insanity.

That is your position. Once they're pregnant, their uterus is yours to control.

What part of your body is controlled by the state ?

 

[Jaskalas]

What I find both funny and sad is that even the pro life people don't believe their own bullshit. They don't view an embryo as the equivalent of a full person either.

If there were a Nazi concentration camp where thousands of people were being murdered each year in your hometown, they wouldn't stand for it. By their argument, the exact same thing is happening all over America every day and their response is to take signs outside and say 'please stop'.

I'll be sure to tell them you advocate them actually using their guns.

 

[HAL9000]

That is your position. Once they're pregnant, their uterus is yours to control.

What part of your body is controlled by the state ?

No, my position is that once a woman gets herself pregnant the foetus has the right to life. That is paramount to the woman finding it inconvenient. It has nothing to do with stoning or inferior citizens or other such bullshit from your previous post.

No part of my body is controlled by the state as no part of my body is required by anyone else to live, If I had a siamese twin that needed my liver to live, I don't have the right to remove my liver and let the twin die.

 

[Tom]

No, my position is that once a woman gets herself pregnant the foetus has the right to life. That is paramount to the woman finding it inconvenient. It has nothing to do with stoning or inferior citizens or other such bullshit from your previous post.

No part of my body is controlled by the state as no part of my body is required by anyone else to live, If I had a siamese twin that needed my liver to live, I don't have the right to remove my liver and let the twin die.

Don't you see what you are saying ? You think you have the right to dictate what happens in a woman's body.

Where the hell do you get that right ?

Every subjugation of women through history stems from the same exact motivation, it isn't very far from you controlling a woman's pregnancy after it happens, to controlling how and when a woman gets pregnant.

That is why your willingness to make women lesser beings in terms of their human rights, is the same strand of thought that leads to stoning 13 year old girls to death when they are raped.

 

[HAL9000]

Don't you see what you are saying ? You think you have the right to dictate what happens in a woman's body.

I think the government should have the right to stop the murder of a potential baby, the woman made a choice.

Where the hell do you get that right ?

Life > Choice

Every subjugation of women through history stems from the same exact motivation, it isn't very far from you controlling a woman's pregnancy after it happens, to controlling how and when a woman gets pregnant.

That is why your willingness to make women lesser beings in terms of their human rights, is the same strand of thought that leads to stoning 13 year old girls to death when they are raped.

It has nothing to do with women, I'd feel the same if it was a man that got pregnant, the same as I feel that men should be forced to pay child support.

 

[kami333]

Very true, thinking about it I suppose that abortion isn't the right option for rape victims, it's just far more understandable and it's also somewhat unreasonable to force someone to be in a situation they had no say in.

So do you or don't you think that rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion?

 

[dmcowen674]

ASTCT (Another Save the Cells Thread)

 

[HAL9000]

So do you or don't you think that rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion?

It's a tough one, I'm going to come down on the side that they should be able to, assuming that it has been established that them having the baby will cause extreme emotional distress for them etc.

The biggest issue for me in the abortion debate is not just the rights of the foetus / baby, but also the rights of the father, if we are going to have legal abortion (as we do) then I think that the father should have a say and only in a unanimous decision with both parents should an abortion be allowed, in the example of rape the rapist obviously has no say.

 

[HAL9000]

ASTCT (Another Save the Cells Thread)

The same can be said about any pro human life thread.

 

[Tom]

I think the government should have the right to stop the murder of a potential baby, the woman made a choice.



Life > Choice



It has nothing to do with women, I'd feel the same if it was a man that got pregnant, the same as I feel that men should be forced to pay child support.

That is total bullshit. Men don't get pregnant.

Like a lot of "pro-lifers", your willingness to subjugate women is so innate, you can't see what you are doing.

Read Roe vs Wade. The entire issue is the conflict between the rights of the woman and the rights of the unborn.

You solve that conflict by deciding the woman has no right, after she gets pregnant.

That is an outrageous position to hold.

Now, you could make a reasoned argument, starting from a place where a woman has full rights, like everyone else, and try to argue that the rights of the unborn outweigh those of the woman..

But you don't because you can't win that argument. So you just take over the woman's uterus as if she is cattle.

 

[HAL9000]

That is total bullshit. Men don't get pregnant.

Like a lot of "pro-lifers", your willingness to subjugate women is so innate, you can't see what you are doing.

This is a human issue, not a women issue.

Read Roe vs Wade. The entire issue is the conflict between the rights of the woman and the rights of the unborn.

Well I'd call it an adult issue vs the rights of the unborn, but that's just semantics.

You solve that conflict by deciding the woman has no right, after she gets pregnant.

The woman has the right to choose to get pregnant, after she has made her choice then there are two lots of rights that need to be considered, I don't think that anyone has the right to kill anyone else even if that person is affecting their rights. For example, If someone is supressing my right to free speech I don't have the right to kill them.

That is an outrageous position to hold.

Now, you could make a reasoned argument, starting from a place where a woman has full rights, like everyone else, and try to argue that the rights of the unborn outweigh those of the woman..

That is my argument.

But you don't because you can't win that argument. So you just take over the woman's uterus as if she is cattle.

My opinion is this:

Everyone has the right to do whatever they want until it effects someone else's rights, and the most paramount right is the right to life.

The idea that someone should be allowed to end a life out of inconvenience is madness to me.

 

[badb0y]

The woman has the right to choose to get pregnant, after she has made her choice then there are two lots of rights that need to be considered, I don't think that anyone has the right to kill anyone else even if that person is affecting their rights. For example, If someone is supressing my right to free speech I don't have the right to kill them.



That is my argument.

O God, If everyone thought like you we would still be under Great fucking Britain.

 

[HAL9000]

O God, If everyone thought like you we would still be under Great fucking Britain.

Check my location.