Originally posted by: NFS4
Who said anything about it looking good? Does a classic have to look good to be considered a classic?
exactly. The original VW was an ugly beast, but yet it became a classic.
I'd have to say 'yes'... it's what makes you lust after them.Originally posted by: NFS4
Who said anything about it looking good? Does a classic have to look good to be considered a classic?
Name one ugly classic or an un-desirable one. I honestly dont' see how the Taurus or Explorer or Cherokee can be on there. The Wrangler? Possibly. Bronco? Sure thing.
Wow... just wow. Some of the cars I've seen listed in this thread don't belong anywhere near a "classic status" (*cough* original Ford Taurus *cough*)
My list :
95-96 Impalla SS
30th Annv. TransAm (most commonly known as Bluebirds with the blue detailed rims)
30th Annv. Z28 (white/orange stripes only available on this car)
35th Annv. Camaro SS
35th Annv. TransAm
50th Annv. Corvette Z06
91-95 Taurus SHO
MKVI Toyota Supra Turbo
FD Mazda RX7s
Mazda Miata
Chrysler/Mitsu Conquest/Starion
Integra Type R
Civic Si (debate this all you want, but this car brought about the fast four econoboxes)
Ferrari 355
993 Porsche Turbo
McLaren F1
Impreza 22B (not available in the states)
Lancer Evo 6
TVR Tuscan
TVR Speed 12
Nissan Skyline GTR (R34)
Honda NSX
There are a lot more cars that deserve to be on this list, but I'll think of them later.
My list :
95-96 Impalla SS
30th Annv. TransAm (most commonly known as Bluebirds with the blue detailed rims)
30th Annv. Z28 (white/orange stripes only available on this car)
35th Annv. Camaro SS
35th Annv. TransAm
50th Annv. Corvette Z06
91-95 Taurus SHO
MKVI Toyota Supra Turbo
FD Mazda RX7s
Mazda Miata
Chrysler/Mitsu Conquest/Starion
Integra Type R
Civic Si (debate this all you want, but this car brought about the fast four econoboxes)
Ferrari 355
993 Porsche Turbo
McLaren F1
Impreza 22B (not available in the states
)Lancer Evo 6
TVR Tuscan
TVR Speed 12
Nissan Skyline GTR (R34)
Honda NSX
There are a lot more cars that deserve to be on this list, but I'll think of them later.
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I think we're working on different definitions of 'classic'. For me, a classic is an older vehicle with timeless design and style that I want to park in the garage, drive occassionally, and brag to everyone that I own it. I'm not going to get that from Explorer, Taurus, etc.
Of course, everyone's tastes vary...
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If you think about it, the last four vehicles I names (Cherokee, Explorer, Taurus, Ram) set the bar for styling convention in their class for the the next 5+ years. The Taurus was radical at its time. Same goes for the Ram. The Ram TOTALLY shook up things in the market...
But now that I think of it, I'm probably mixing significance with being a "classic," but still in my eyes, these vehicles will go down in history for their impact.
Generally it's the first or last of a production run that becomes most desirable. My favorites in no particular order.
Porsche 911SC
The first year NSX
Last year 95? MR2 Turbo,unmolested
Porsche 968 SC
MB 280 SL m/t(it's over 20yr)
Datsun 240Z, 2000 Fairlady roadster, 510 Sedan(interesting history)
88 Fiero Gt
All of these must be non-riced. Factory invoice, window stickers, tools,jack,original spare tire, etc. are all a plus.
I wish I had been able to hang onto my 60'AH3000. I sold it for $2.5k with a rod throw
going bad. They go for $25k+ now...:disgust:
Porsche 911SC
The first year NSX
Last year 95? MR2 Turbo,unmolested
Porsche 968 SC
MB 280 SL m/t(it's over 20yr)
Datsun 240Z, 2000 Fairlady roadster, 510 Sedan(interesting history)
88 Fiero Gt
All of these must be non-riced. Factory invoice, window stickers, tools,jack,original spare tire, etc. are all a plus.
I wish I had been able to hang onto my 60'AH3000. I sold it for $2.5k with a rod throw
going bad. They go for $25k+ now...:disgust:
95' was the last year we recieved them in the states. They continued making them in Japan where I think they made them until '01.
Foolish attempts? The CTS-V has FOUR HUNDRED HORSEPOWER. I suggest you read this before you continue babbling on about a car you obviously know nothing about. The Lincoln LS is one of the best entry-level luxury sports sedans on the market right now, and one of the few in its price range to offer RWD and a V8 engine.
The LS and the CTS-V, for those of us who havent sold our souls to the japanese, will be considered classic because they aren't just 'good-enough but not really' domestic entries into their respective classes. They're real competitors with their own personalities and things to offer. The CTS-V especially, since the only real competitior to it is an M5, and thats a toss-up as to which is the better vehicle (CTS-V is faster, M5 is a bit more refined).
Your impressions of the Mercury Marauder are spoken like someone who's never driven one. It comes with essentially the same engine that's found in the 2002 Ford Mustang Cobra. It also has a high-stall torque converter and 3.55 LSD rear end. It's a 4200lb car that can go from 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. Its a niche vehicle, and thats all it's meant to be, nothing more and nothing less. People looking for something like a Mercury Marauder aren't going to find anything like it NEW, the closest thing to it is a used Impala SS. It will be considered classic if only because of its limited production run, but moreso because it's a modern example of an american full-size luxury muscle car.
As far as the RSX being 'just another small sports coupe', I don't think you quite understand how much better it is than any previous small sports coupe offerings from Honda, much less how much better it is than the competition. I mean, for fvcks sake just sit inside one. Better yet, go and read the reviews of it, or take one for a test drive. Then head around town and compare it to everything else. Its simply the best car in its class, hands down. It set a new standard for the small sports coupe market, and it will be considered a classic for doing so.
It all boils down to a matter of opinion. There are a lot of cars from the 60s and 70s that are considered 'classic' and are desirable by all kinds of different people. In 20 years, everyone who's into ricing out Honda Civics and Acura RSX's and the like are going to be having a mid-life crisis. If you think they're not going to pass a pristine RSX on the road and say 'damn, I wish I could have one of those', you're fvcking retarded, to put it bluntly.
As far as the Firebird goes, I think you need to rethink what an econobox means. To me, an econobox does not come with leather seats. An econobox values fuel economy over performance. An econobox doesn't come with the same engine as a 2-seater sports car. An econobox doesn't even dream of pushing 300HP without nitrous or a lot of money poured into the engine. Econoboxes are rarely RWD (if ever, anymore).
And, unless I'm mistaken, the Honda CRX never had the heritage or support to garner thousands of signatures requesting its return to the market, did it?
read my post above concerining the RSX.
Maybe, just maybe I was wrong about the LS. Time will tell. There are still a few years left for it to improve (maybe offer the V8 with a 6-speed tranny, work on fit and finish).
The Marauder is far from underpowered or 'slow'. Its a huge car. 4200lbs huge. It does a 0-60 sprint in 6.5 seconds. and a quarter mile in about 15.5. Did I mention it's FOURTY-TWO HUNDRED POUNDS?
All it needs is a supercharger
CTS-V will be a classic. I'll bet my left nut on it.
Edit: Just to clarify, I should note all previous references to "RSX" should be replaced with "RSX-S".
The 2nd generation Legend is the best looking car that Acura has ever made And IMHO up there on the list of sexiest sedans. Although besides it's looks it doesn't have anything special.
And IMHO up there on the list of sexiest sedans. Although besides it's looks it doesn't have anything special.Exotics aside, it all boils down to who will have the disposable income 20 years from now. I think it will be our current 30 somethings not our current 20 somethings. I dont think real disposable income starts coming until your 50's when your mortgage is paid off etc.
That said my list is:
Mustangs and F-bodies are always going to be classics.
The GM 3800 Supercharged cars <Grand Prix, Regal>
Olds Cutlass 2 door cars, especially convertibles
Aurora's
Jeeps usually have a pretty strong, but strange, classic following
VW new beetle
PT Cruiser <it has so much fanaticism now, how can it not?>
Subaru WRX
Cadillac Eldorado's and Sevilles
Corvettes
Trucks, especially the Dodges since they have done so much in the design area.
Miata
This list is not all inclusive just the ones that popped into my head as I am writing this.
That said my list is:
Mustangs and F-bodies are always going to be classics.
The GM 3800 Supercharged cars <Grand Prix, Regal>
Olds Cutlass 2 door cars, especially convertibles
Aurora's
Jeeps usually have a pretty strong, but strange, classic following
VW new beetle
PT Cruiser <it has so much fanaticism now, how can it not?>
Subaru WRX
Cadillac Eldorado's and Sevilles
Corvettes
Trucks, especially the Dodges since they have done so much in the design area.
Miata
This list is not all inclusive just the ones that popped into my head as I am writing this.
another vote for the Corolla GT-S (AE86)...i'll never get one (i realized i'm still too stupid when it comes to cars ), but after watching that "drift king" guy (i can't even begin to spell his real name) all i can say is damn..
ya know, i wished i could go back in time, give my parents ~$11k, tell them to buy a new one and store it in their garage for a couple of years...but i'd probably have to buy a delorean first...
), but after watching that "drift king" guy (i can't even begin to spell his real name) all i can say is damn..ya know, i wished i could go back in time, give my parents ~$11k, tell them to buy a new one and store it in their garage for a couple of years...but i'd probably have to buy a delorean first...
Nice point, but who really considers many car's from the 80s 'classics'? I mean, granted there are a couple but not many at all. Mainly the pony cars, maybe the VW Rabbit GTI and a couple others?
Most people, when they speak of classics, are talking about cars from the 50s to the mid 70s, before the fuel crisis and epa regulations screwed everything up for a good 20 years. So really, by the time these cars are considered classics, the 20 year olds will be 50something and looking to relive their youth.
Shrug, the 80's is an exception rather than the rule. I have considered late 60's early 70's cars classics since the 80's....its just that the auto market was in the turn of a 180 degree design change during the 80's so very little was made that was worth being excited about.
S14 240sx
RX-7
Miata
Supra
Z!
A4 (best looking cars of the past decade)
Impala (the real, Caprice based one)
Plus all low production cars.
That's really all I can think of.
RX-7
Miata
Supra
Z!
A4 (best looking cars of the past decade)
Impala (the real, Caprice based one)
Plus all low production cars.
That's really all I can think of.
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