What can save PC Gaming?

[thirdlegstump]

Whatever happened to killer games like Arkanoid? Wish I had one of them arcades in my apartment.

 

[Rebasxer]

The computer market is stagnant, every good game that comes out is an FPS, were tired of crawling through corridors and shooting demons, and we don't want any more crappy tactical shooters. Look at the most popular action game, CS, why is CS so popular, because it's fast paced, social (as much as a fps can get) and doesn't take a lot of thought, but more so than games like UT.

Oh, and SC2 will sell probably 5 million copies the opening month, so that too would save pc gaming.

 

[shilala]

Originally posted by: Kalbi

Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'd like to see more games that actually work released. You know, games I can play before the 1.9 patch is released two and a half years later.

Exactly.

CS:S/HL2 still had some pretty decent even a few months after it is out.

More games need an engine like the Source engine though. I dont want to buy a new PC for every game I buy. I want to be able to play it decently on a crappy system, then have it able to scale and look great on a better system.

dude the source engine is lame

Thanks for getting that out of the way.
Go back to playing Neopets now, will you?

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: Rudee

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
STFU NOW

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/thread

okay i said it all no one feed the troll

:thumbsup:

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: venk
Don't forget:

$400 Console every 4 Years

vs

$1200 Computer Every 3 YEars

False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

 

[kb315]

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: venk
Don't forget:

$400 Console every 4 Years

vs

$1200 Computer Every 3 YEars

False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

How did you spend $600 for a 4 year old pc that still can the newest games?

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: venk
Don't forget:

$400 Console every 4 Years

vs

$1200 Computer Every 3 YEars

False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

How did you spend $600 for a 4 year old pc that still can the newest games?

he is enjoying the newest games.. just not with everything up and chop chop chop

 

[Linux23]

last I heard, XBox360 was $300?

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
According to Gamespy, 2004 was a record breaking year for game sales of both PC and consoles

They must have stated it was a record for combined sales since console sales grew more than PC games declined.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=8854

PC game sales were $1.1 billion (45 million units), which is down from the $1.2 billion total that PC games posted in 2003. Despite the long-awaited releases of high profile titles like id Software's Doom 3 or Valve Software's Half-Life 2, the PC market only accounted for 15% of overall console and PC software sales. And only two PC games managed to surpass 500,000 units sold.

 

[Legend]

last I heard, XBox360 was $300?

For the crippled version.

$50 for wireless controllers
$40 for wired controllers
$100 for 20 GB HDD
$60 per game
And a bunch of other expensive accessories. It ends up being cheaper to get the $400 bundle.

Just to get all the hardware you need and a single game, it ends up being close to $600 after taxes. That's just xbox360. I'd expect a similar price for PS3, and a bit less for Revolution.

 

[kami]

According to Gamespy, 2004 was a record breaking year for game sales of both PC and consoles

PC and Consoles combined.

Originally posted by: EpsiIon


False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

No, people play consoles because theres more games, more variety, and like you said its effortless. Console games never need patches and rarely have problems. I enjoy PC and consoles, I don't force myself to choose. Tell Xbox modders that they "know nothing about technology"

I used to be strictly PC as well but it changed with the Xbox. Xbox 360 is narrowing the gap even more. The main difference used to be resolution and multiplayer. Well both of those are gone now with the next consoles. Yeah you gotta pay about $7.50 a month to play online but it works for every game. It's not that bad. Hell I pay 15/month to play WoW. The other complaint is controls for FPS games. Well first of all once you get used to the controller it works very well. Also what do you think the USB ports are for? Keyboards and mice should work.

The console itself will probably be cheaper than an equivalent graphics card (if its available by then from ATI) when it comes out in November.

 

[suse920]

Arg

 

[larry89]

It seems that nothing can save PC gaming now.

It has gotton to the point where we arent WOWED by the games at all we usually expect something better and better and better. Well alot if not most of us..

 

[EpsiIon]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: kb315

Originally posted by: EpsiIon

Originally posted by: venk
Don't forget:

$400 Console every 4 Years

vs

$1200 Computer Every 3 YEars

False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

How did you spend $600 for a 4 year old pc that still can the newest games?

he is enjoying the newest games.. just not with everything up and chop chop chop

Hehehe, kinda. HL2 gets a bit choppy in multiplayer, but the FEAR demo (and all other SP games I've tried) ran fine. I've got an Athlon XP 2500+ (~$100 of that $600 two years ago), 768 MB or RAM, and a GeForce 6800 GT (2/3 of that $600). I'm sure I'll have to upgrade that CPU soon, which could incur a number of costs, but that's to be expected. I'm thinking I'll just max out my CPU on this motherboard for now and then spring for an entirely new system in another year (when I have a real job).

So yeah, PC costs average out to more than consoles, but I honestly enjoy the experience more. When all of your friends have decent gaming PCs, it's a lot more rewarding to play PC games, especially since consoles simply don't do FPS/RTS well. Plus the only RPG I'm really looking forward to (Oblivion) will be released on the PC... *shrug* I guess there's just not a lot of incentive for me. The closest thing is Soul Calibur III, but I'm boycotting that due to the whole PS2-only garbage...

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: kami
No, people play consoles because theres more games, more variety, and like you said its effortless. Console games never need patches and rarely have problems. I enjoy PC and consoles, I don't force myself to choose. Tell Xbox modders that they "know nothing about technology"

I used to be strictly PC as well but it changed with the Xbox. Xbox 360 is narrowing the gap even more. The main difference used to be resolution and multiplayer. Well both of those are gone now with the next consoles. Yeah you gotta pay about $7.50 a month to play online but it works for every game. It's not that bad. Hell I pay 15/month to play WoW. The other complaint is controls for FPS games. Well first of all once you get used to the controller it works very well. Also what do you think the USB ports are for? Keyboards and mice should work.

The console itself will probably be cheaper than an equivalent graphics card (if its available by then from ATI) when it comes out in November.

Yeah, consoles have gotten pretty darn good, if more expensive. Once they get a kb+mouse that actually work well on the console, I might get one.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Bah. People have beeen saying that PC gaming is dying for 20 years. It aint happened yet, and its not going to happen any time soon. Everyone seems to ignore the honestly innovative games like Civ III and Civ IV (oct. 26 baby!) and Dawn of War, and stuff like that.

Plus, console games strike me as one of the most immature groups of people I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. At our last LAN party the Halo kids were so damn annoying I almost left. Loud, obnoxiously loud, running around, unplugging our PCs, shouting to eachother even though they have headsets...Yeah, I know, this isn't representive of alot of console gamers, but still...

 

[skace]

Those PC numbers don't make any sense. Especially since they encompass the years of EQ1's release and WoW. At the very least I would expect a spike in 1999 or 2000 for EQ1.

 

[Schadenfroh]

EA going under

 

[NiKeFiDO]

this thread is old...
anyway, gyi for FEAR, the review on IGN said the release was better optimized (than the demo) and ran better, plus you get to change all sorts of settings to tweak the game unlike the demo. Might have to pick that game up and add my contribution to the non-dying PC game industry. Hell, PC gaming will go on becaue we like messing with our computers more than modding our xBoxes.

 

[Rock Hydra]

PC Gaming isn't going anywhere for the forseeable future. No need to ponder it.
/thread.

 

[Hammerhead]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
By keeping getting rid of all the non mature players.

Or, by getting rid of people who cant speak english.

Did he mean immature? He must be speaking Engrish

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: kami

According to Gamespy, 2004 was a record breaking year for game sales of both PC and consoles

PC and Consoles combined.

Originally posted by: EpsiIon


False.

XBox 360 (just an example): ~$400 + $90 for extra controllers + $20 per memory card + $xx per month to play online (on top of broadband costs).

That's a $500+ entry fee to enjoy ONE console (if you want to own a PS3 and a Revolution, too, start thinking about $1000+).

In contrast, I've spent ~$600 in the past four years and I'm STILL enjoying my PC AND playing the newest games.

The price difference really isn't a huge factor anymore. Consoles are popular because they're faster and simpler. It's nice for people who know nothing about technology to be able to simply "plug and play." In the meantime, notice that the most involved and interesting games have been released on the PC. PC gaming wasn't dead 5 years ago. It's not dead now. It won't die any time in the near future.

No, people play consoles because theres more games, more variety, and like you said its effortless. Console games never need patches and rarely have problems. I enjoy PC and consoles, I don't force myself to choose. Tell Xbox modders that they "know nothing about technology"

I used to be strictly PC as well but it changed with the Xbox. Xbox 360 is narrowing the gap even more. The main difference used to be resolution and multiplayer. Well both of those are gone now with the next consoles. Yeah you gotta pay about $7.50 a month to play online but it works for every game. It's not that bad. Hell I pay 15/month to play WoW. The other complaint is controls for FPS games. Well first of all once you get used to the controller it works very well. Also what do you think the USB ports are for? Keyboards and mice should work.

The console itself will probably be cheaper than an equivalent graphics card (if its available by then from ATI) when it comes out in November.

xbox live is $50/yr ~= $4.25/mo, not $7.50/mo.

and to that other guy who knows nothing about xbox360, why would you buy a memory card when you already have the $400 system that has the 20gb HD with it, and where the hell are you buying controllers that cost almost $100 a piece?

 

[meltdown75]

i think if more people actually bought new games, the problems would dissipate. so... imho piracy is the main issue.

but more innovation is needed on the creative side of things. for example, many sequels tend to be retreads of previous versions, released early and without a lot of differences from the originals, in an attempt to grab the exact same demographic. as a result i believe the user base for these particular games decreases instead of increases. HL2 would be an exception, since I think more people play it now than ever before.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i think if more people actually bought new games, the problems would dissipate. so... imho piracy is the main issue.

but more innovation is needed on the creative side of things. for example, many sequels tend to be retreads of previous versions, released early and without a lot of differences from the originals, in an attempt to grab the exact same demographic. as a result i believe the user base for these particular games decreases instead of increases. HL2 would be an exception, since I think more people play it now than ever before.

if thats the case, then why are console software sales going up? piract affects console gaming just as much as pc gaming.

i have lost a lot of faith in nintendo since the gamecube came out, but the revolution really does look like an innovative step for them, and I hope that it does well. if it keeps its < $200 price, i'm definitely going to pick one up.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: meltdown75
i think if more people actually bought new games, the problems would dissipate. so... imho piracy is the main issue.

but more innovation is needed on the creative side of things. for example, many sequels tend to be retreads of previous versions, released early and without a lot of differences from the originals, in an attempt to grab the exact same demographic. as a result i believe the user base for these particular games decreases instead of increases. HL2 would be an exception, since I think more people play it now than ever before.

if thats the case, then why are console software sales going up? piract affects console gaming just as much as pc gaming.

i have lost a lot of faith in nintendo since the gamecube came out, but the revolution really does look like an innovative step for them, and I hope that it does well. if it keeps its < $200 price, i'm definitely going to pick one up.

Gamecube really is a great value. It doesn't seem to be on the same level of the XBox or PS/2, but in economic terms it is tough to beat.
It's true what you say, piracy is becoming more and more prevalent in the console industry, but I don't believe it is on the same scale as PC piracy. I would have to guess that the majority of console owners don't even know about the possibility of obtaining pirated games for their systems. I think PC piracy has always been worse simply because of the difference in demographics... ie. PC users are a lot more likely to want to try to hack the game or obtain it for free, just because they can. imho