What caliber handgun do you guys recomend for home use?

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AaronP

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hehe Boone, if those first couple shots just wing em, our legal system encourages homeowners to "finish the job" I would tell the person to stand up, so when I shoot them, the balistics and trajectory info and all that will back me up. It it looks like I shot em when they where on the floor in pain, then that might not go over too well.

Basically, you have to prop them up, or tell them to stand up if they have the energy, then cap em, then plant a weapon on em for the best legal outcome.
 

veryape

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<< My revolver is a .38 special. It should be about what you need for home protection.

Just make sure you use hollow point ammo.

Jim
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Why, is killing the intruder your main objective or is your safety your main objective. Check yourself if it's the former, because there is no need to kill someone, stopping them and incapacitating them should be your objective.
 

gregshin

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For home defense pistol round get a .38 special or a .45ACP....the 38 is easy to control and has decent stopping power...the 45 is a great all around round....if you get a 9mm, 357, 10mm then your rounds are gonna go thru walls cuz of their speed. !2 gauge is nice for home defense also.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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<< My revolver is a .38 special. It should be about what you need for home protection. Just make sure you use hollow point ammo. Jim >>

Why, is killing the intruder your main objective or is your safety your main objective. Check yourself if it's the former, because there is no need to kill someone, stopping them and incapacitating them should be your objective.
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Sounds good in theory, but unless you are very good and very lucky, you will have a possibly armed and VERY pissed perp, who as was commented on earlier more alert going into this situation. Visibility is bad (night remember?) and trying to hit a motivated moving target in the dark at close range in a limb or non vital area means you most likely lose first strike. You now stand an excellent chance of being dead. If you want to be a gentleman, don't get a gun. A gunfight is like a street fight. He who hits hard first wins. Or an oft quoted maxim "Never draw a gun unless you intent to use it, and don't intend to use it if you are not prepared to kill"
 

deerslayer

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get yourself a 12 gauge and a box of 3" magnums, if you miss with that, a handgun wont do you any good anyways
 

AndrewR

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Another vote for the shotgun. You really can't beat it for defensive purposes, and there's absolutely no disputing its ability to take someone down.

A .45 will drop 'em right now, whereas .38's and 9 mm's won't.

So, would you want to volunteer to take a few rounds from my Ruger 9mm with Federal HydraShok 147 grain ammo?
 

Mookow

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<< My revolver is a .38 special. It should be about what you need for home protection.

Just make sure you use hollow point ammo.

Jim
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Why, is killing the intruder your main objective or is your safety your main objective. Check yourself if it's the former, because there is no need to kill someone, stopping them and incapacitating them should be your objective.
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So what is your plan to incapacitate an intruder? Incapacitating someone with a gun isnt like the movies... no one in their right mind aims for the hands.



<< So, would you want to volunteer to take a few rounds from my Ruger 9mm with Federal HydraShok 147 grain ammo? >>



[Cartman doing the "where's your regional champions certificate"] Was your cartridge specifically made to knock down a drugged up charging man? [/Cartman doing the "where's your regional champions certificate"] I'd volunteer to take as many as you could make while standing immediately after taking a 45 ACP to the sternum. :D
 

Salvador

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Definitely a .45 Calibur Semi Auto so you don't have to shoot him/her more than once or give them a chance to come back at you.

Sal
 

jemcam

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<< isn't it illegal to kill someone for breaking into your house? >>



Umm...No, that's why they call it self-defense. There is also such a thing called the castle doctrine, meaning that you are not legally expected to leave your house because you have an intruder threatening you. You have the right to use deadly force to defend yourself in your house. Just make sure you have exhausted other means before opening fire. Don't ask me what it may be, circumstances may dictate what the "other means" are. If you're going to shoot, kill him, don't wound him. Wounding him can increase your chances of going to jail. Dead men don't talk.

If the guy makes a furtive movement if you are confronting him, you have a reasonable expectation that the bad guy is going to harm you or your family. Basically, (in my state) you have the right to resort to deadly force to prevent harm to another person, including yourself.

If you don't have the stomach for what could happen, don't buy a gun. However, if you do buy a gun, learn what the laws are in your state.

I'm no lawyer, but I do know what my rights are where I live. Don't rely on a pawnshop owner's advice either. Talk to an attorney, DA, or police PR person to get accurate advice in your area.
 

glenn1

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Shotgun would be top choice, followed by a revolver in either .38 or .45 caliber.... if you live in an apartment, don't use hollow points either, use frangible rounds, Glaser Safety Slugs­® are probably the most well known, but Cor-Bon makes good ones, as well as Delta, and a couple of other manufacturers.
 

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<< Shotgun would be top choice, followed by a revolver in either .38 or .45 caliber.... if you live in an apartment, don't use hollow points either, use frangible rounds, Glaser Safety Slugs­® are probably the most well known, but Cor-Bon makes good ones, as well as Delta, and a couple of other manufacturers. >>



But if you buy frangibles you get into the notion of being portrayed as a 'gun-nut' with a premeditated wish to kill someone with your 'special' ammunition. Same kind of thing if you do your own reloading. Unfortunately, in a court of law I think you're better off with a common, store bought round. Hollow-points will penetrate more than frangibles, but aren't going to be considered as uncommon or strange to a jury.
 

Novgrod

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I very, very, very adamantly recommend you not get something so weak as a .38 or a .32. I have fired them before, and while I haven't seen, say, the bullet performance on a person, I can tell you that

1) the kick from a higher caliber gun isn't that much heftier. At All. I've fired most of them repeatedly.

2) I've talked about this extensively with friends. My marine buddy says that a Colt .45 has immense stopping power; that is, a hit somewhere other than the upper torso/head will still do enough damage to stop an intruder.

3) Hollow points are not that wonderful. At All. If your crook is wearing something substantial to protect him, say, a thick leather jacket with something sewn into it (I've heard about linoleum of all things) don't consider it unlikely that the bullet could fragment upon hitting the jacket and not penetrate at all. That being said, you probably don't want full metal jackets :)

4) Revolvers aren't the be-all end-all of handguns. Yes, they'll never fail. Neither will a Colt .45 or a Browning 9mm. EVER. Let's say somebody breaks into your house. With a revolver you have to fiddle around with the speed loader, which is hell when your hands are shaking (as they will be). I'm praying and hoping that you won't be keeping the gun loaded. It's much easier to slip a clip into a semi-auto and cock it. Futhermore, your accuracy on the second shot with the revolver is severely hindered unless you cock the hammer yourself. Not so with the semi. You can't go wrong with either, but I recommend a semi very strongly.

5) If you want a semi, I further recommend Colt 45 or the Browning hi-power 9mm It is the opinion of some of my friends that the 9mm isn't powerful enough. I disagree, but they're both fun to shoot and they're both amazing in reliability and accuracy. I've fired a 1898 (that's right, eighteen ninety eight) colt .32 semi-auto and it still works like a dream. Really, any good model of Browning's 9mm Hi-power or Colt's .45 will do you a world of good. Ammo is easy to find, it *is* easy to aim in the dark. Get a night sight.

7) If you feel the need to have a revolver, I would recommend something like a .375 mag.

6) On the topic of guns, make sure you go to the shooting range, often. I'm assuming you're not that familar with guns. Beyond point blank range, aiming becomes thoroughly difficult without practice.

To the people who've commented on how you don't need a .357 or you want hollow points, why do you say so??


Other notes: it is not illegal to kill someone breaking into your house. It never will be--that is, when it does, I'll think strongly about relocating.

Any gun can kill someone, even a .22. Never, ever, ever fire to hit someone nonfatally. A shot to the ground/roof, i would imagine, isn't ineffective (never having tried it) but shooting someone in the arm is asking for trouble.
 

Mookow

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<< 4) Revolvers aren't the be-all end-all of handguns. Yes, they'll never fail. Neither will a Colt .45 or a Browning 9mm. EVER.
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Never say never. My uncles 1911 fails to cycle fully all the time (It hangs about 2/3 of the way through loading the next round, and the slide needs to be tapped forward). Then again, it is a real model 1911, made in either 1913 or 1914. Almost 90 years old, so I'm willing to cut the sucker a little slack.
 

Hammer

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If its your first gun, I would suggest a sig or walther 9mm. The 12 gauge is also a good idea.
 

glenn1

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<< Revolvers aren't the be-all end-all of handguns. Yes, they'll never fail. Neither will a Colt .45 or a Browning 9mm. EVER. >>



Ever? Well, i wouldn't go that far. Even if a weapon operates perfectly in all the mechanicals, you can still have a problem like a stovepipe, which can be deadly in a confrontation, particularly with someone whose familiarity with a weapon is less than total.

A revolver is inherently more reliable than a pistol. A misfire is resolved by pulling the trigger a second time. For those with a high level of experience and knowledge of shooting, a pistol may be a better choice, but for that reason of reliability, that makes the revolver a far superior solution for the vast majority of the shooting population.

That being said, my personal home defense weapon is a Sig Sauer 229, in .40 S&W loaded with 135gr. Cor-Bons, but then again, i think it's safe to say that my background is not typical of the population at large.
 

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<< But if you buy frangibles you get into the notion of being portrayed as a 'gun-nut' with a premeditated wish to kill someone with your 'special' ammunition. Same kind of thing if you do your own reloading. Unfortunately, in a court of law I think you're better off with a common, store bought round. Hollow-points will penetrate more than frangibles, but aren't going to be considered as uncommon or strange to a jury. >>



I don't agree with that at all. While in CT I got my carry permit because of a part time job I had. When I got the permit the police sergeant told me to get the Glaser Safety slugs because I lived in an apartment. It wasn't the law or anything just a "strong suggestion". I will once again reccomend a 12ga for home protection. There is nothing more lethal/accurate inside 10 yds. I'm sure no room in your apt is 30 feet long. Very few people can fire aimed rounds when paniced without extensive training no matter what all the dirty harry wannabes on this board tell you. A shotgun takes away that part of it. Just point it in the general direction, pull the trigger, pump it, repeat.. Your intruder will be dead or be gone. You can follow the sh!t trail to find him. Pistols have their uses, but ask almost anyone in law enforcement what they want when going into a dark building and I think the vast majority of them will tell you shotgun.
 

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<< isn't it illegal to kill someone for breaking into your house? >>



If the person isn't posing any harm to you or your family, and you injur or kill him, you better be ready for a lawsuit. If he is robbing your house, and you sneak up with a laser from an AK47 and put a round through his head... well....lets just say you won't have to worry about protecting your home while you are in jail.
 

Mookow

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<< isn't it illegal to kill someone for breaking into your house? >>



If the person isn't posing any harm to you or your family, and you injur or kill him, you better be ready for a lawsuit. If he is robbing your house, and you sneak up with a laser from an AK47 and put a round through his head... well....lets just say you won't have to worry about protecting your home while you are in jail.
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Where I live, as long as you tell the police you thought the intruder posed a threat to your life, you're fine. It has to be somewhat believeable though... if the intruder catches a round in the back first, you very well might be fubar'ed. If you state that you thought the intruder was going to rape/kill your wife and children, you are fubar'ed. You had to think they were going to kill you, not anyone else.
 

Hammer

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Epecially if you have limited experience with firearms.

Pickup some sabot shells for the shotgun while you're at it. ;)



<< Pistols have their uses, but ask almost anyone in law enforcement what they want when going into a dark building and I think the vast majority of them will tell you shotgun. >>

 

rgwalt

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While I think the risks of owning a gun in the home are greater than the potential uses/benefits, I will say that there are responsible gun owners out there. A gun is a killing tool, and the person that owns such a tool has to be responsible enough to know how to use it and keep it out of the wrong hands. This being said...

I will agree that owning a shotgun is probably the best idea for home defense. Accuracy isn't as big of a factor with a shotgun in hand. However, you have to ask yourself if you are going to keep the gun loaded, and if not, if you are going to be able to load the gun SILENTLY. You see, if an intruder hears you loading/pumping a shotgun (or loading any gun for that matter), they will assume that you plan on killing them. That brings me to my last point...

If you own a gun and plan on confronting an intruder, be prepared to take their life. Hell, be prepared to take their life after you put the round in the chamber. When you point your weapon at the person, they will feel their life is in danger too, and will have no problem killing you to preserve their own life. It is a kill or be killed situation.

Ryan

PS- Oh, one more thing... Can anyone say flachettes?